Three new segments of EOS R cameras coming in 2025

[neuroanatomist]

Huh x infinity.

The R7's sensor in full-frame equivalent is 84 MP!

83 MP, but close enough. However, if you meant the R7 then why did you specifically mention the 7DII.

Huh? Reach! Size and weight? See 7DM2.

If you’re confused, look for the reason in a mirror.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

I think Sanj ironically quoted another poster.

I edited my post and apologized for not seeing the sarcasm.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Hugs and kisses.

Apologies for not seeing the sarcasm.

 

[gdanmitchell]

The high-MP camera is what I’ve been waiting for. I’m still using my (formerly) industry-leading 50MP 5DsR, since the 45mp of the R5 and $5II doesn’t do it for me and my particular use case.

I had actually pretty much decided to either switch to Sony or possibly to Fujifilm GFX, having given up on the hope that Canon would follow through with a successor. I’m not in a white heat to decide, so I’ll wait a bit longer and see if we start getting clearer hints from Canon before moving to one of the other brands.

 

[Skux]

The high-MP camera is what I’ve been waiting for. I’m still using my (formerly) industry-leading 50MP 5DsR, since the 45mp of the R5 and $5II doesn’t do it for me and my particular use case.

I had actually pretty much decided to either switch to Sony or possibly to Fujifilm GFX, having given up on the hope that Canon would follow through with a successor. I’m not in a white heat to decide, so I’ll wait a bit longer and see if we start getting clearer hints from Canon before moving to one of the other brands.

How is 50mp enough but 45mp isn't lmao

 

[neuroanatomist]

How is 50mp enough but 45mp isn't lmao

I think the answer was in the post, the $5II costs too much.

 

[pzyber]

Could the sensor could move as fast as the shutter? If not, a rangefinder style design is another possibility.

The mirror in the 1D X Mark III can flip up 16 time per second and very quickly so I don't think it would be inpossible. I'm allergic to rangefinders

I see absolutely no chance for a modern film camera from Canon.
Those needing/wanting one can already:
- Buy for little money a Canon F1, Nikon F2, Leicaflex SL , Pentax LX, Contax RTS, Leica M, Minolta XM etc...
Even these prestigious cameras, except Leica M, can be had for a few hundred Euros. With a lens (again, not Leica $$$$$$$$$$).
- Buy a brand new Leica M if money is pretty abundant...

Hence it will remain a dream camera and I'll happily continue to shoot with my 1V. I would not betray Canon thay easily

 

[Omn]

Logic flex:

1) Canon has R1 highly capable for cinematography yet markets it as primarily sport photography camera, by this move loosing potential camera sales for cinematographic shooters

2) Canon left out some video features from their R1 flagship present in cheaper R5 II (waveform)

3) Current stills flagship R1 has superior performance for cinematography then last hybrid flagship (R3), or R5C, R5II, C80 and C400 (readout speed at least as known so far).


Conclusions:

Option a) 1 + 2 + 3 = R1C cine/photo hybrid EOS-C flagship

Option b) New stills camera model with new higher megapixel / smaller pixel sensor

Option c) Both/neither, new ultra compact model ?

 

[Omn]

Having more resolution is always better for image quality if dynamic range is not compromised.

Having more resolution is NOT always better even if DR is not compromised (it generally is) because in case of keeping the same format size and increasing resolution pixel size is reduced which degrades image quality factors like saturation performance and sensitivity.

And feeeding software for reprocessing image data from more pixels will NOT help with garbage data.

 

[EricN]

Logic flex:

1) Canon has R1 highly capable for cinematography yet markets it as primarily sport photography camera, by this move loosing potential camera sales for cinematographic shooters

2) Canon left out some video features from their R1 flagship present in cheaper R5 II (waveform)

3) Current stills flagship R1 has superior performance for cinematography then last hybrid flagship (R3), or R5C, R5II, C80 and C400 (readout speed at least as known so far).


Conclusions:

Option a) 1 + 2 + 3 = R1C cine/photo hybrid EOS-C flagship

Option b) New stills camera model with new higher megapixel / smaller pixel sensor

Option c) Both/neither, new ultra compact model ?

I believe at that price point, Canon prefers to separate the cameras and optimize specifically for either stills or video.

 

[Omn]

I believe at that price point, Canon prefers to separate the cameras and optimize specifically for either stills or video.

Excellent point.

It makes perfect sense to have flagship cameras more differentiated and optimised for specific purpose whereas mid segment cameras cover wider range of usages.

In this context let's also revisit some initial complains on R1 introduction based on not realising this product specialisation principle.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Having more resolution is NOT always better even if DR is not compromised (it generally is)

No, it generally isn't compromised.

because in case of keeping the same format size and increasing resolution pixel size is reduced which degrades image quality factors like saturation performance and sensitivity

Saturation performance and sensitivity of what exactly?..
More pixels that cover the same area capture more information, including colour information. Moreover you get less aliasing and debayering artifacts.

 

[EricN]

No, it generally isn't compromised.

Saturation performance and sensitivity of what exactly?..
More pixels that cover the same area capture more information, including colour information. Moreover you get less aliasing and debayering artifacts.

I'm guessing that the other commenter wanted to say noise increases in higher resolution sensors. From what I have seen it evens out when compared across a full image.

 

[Omn]

No, it generally isn't compromised.

Yes it is.

Saturation performance and sensitivity of what exactly?..

Bananas, potholes, pixels.

Pick one.

More pixels that cover the same area capture more information, including colour information.

It is more complex.

Two dimensional simplistic conception of spatial sampling is insufficient to rationalise this. Number of dots comprising an image are one thing and properties of those dots branch off onto other things. Image properties depend on all of them.

Moreover you get less aliasing and debayering artifacts.

With poorer saturation performance (min & max), tonal consistency and noise threshold.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I think the animated yokel in Zootopia put it best, when explaining that DNA was pronounced dunna.

 

[Omn]

From what I have seen it evens out when compared across a full image.

It doesn't.

Case example. Smaller pixels, larger pixels.

The actual difference is larger in actual dark instead of light-controlled evenly lit test, and there is much more to this in highlight handling and tonal subtleties.

Plus this doesn't show what happens when you push shadows. Which you will.

Plus, newest sensor from R1 is missing here so we can see (a part) of the benefit of larger pixels today and not in 2020/21.

Image comparison: Digital Photography Review

 

[neuroanatomist]

Image comparison: Digital Photography Review

Download and compare the RAW files from DPR before drawing any conclusions based on their “comparison“ tool. I have found differences of a stop or more in exposure levels between cameras in their testing.

 

[EricN]

It doesn't.

Case example. Smaller pixels, larger pixels.

The actual difference is larger in actual dark instead of light-controlled evenly lit test, and there is much more to this in highlight handling and tonal subtleties.

Plus this doesn't show what happens when you push shadows. Which you will.

Plus, newest sensor from R1 is missing here so we can see (a part) of the benefit of larger pixels today and not in 2020/21.

Image comparison: Digital Photography Review

Your link is what I was not talking about.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Image comparison: Digital Photography Review

Individual pixels in the R5II are noisier than the R3. Smaller pixels are always noisier at the the pixel level.
But you don't compare overall image quality in 1:1 view. In the DPR comparison tool, it should be the 'comp' button.

 

[john1970]

I am not sure what the new segments will be, but in terms of full-frame cameras I am very content with the 2024 releases of the R5 Mk2 and R1. I will pay more attention to Canon camera offerings in 2028.