Canon announces development of the EOS R5 full-frame mirrorless camera

[dog8food]

My video question is:
Will the same video featues be available in cropped and uncropped modes, because, for example, the R can't even do 1080 60p in crop mode (nor 120p).

Furthermore, with IBIS, will digital stabilization still be an option?

I actually enjoy the additional reach crop mode+digital stabilization gives my lenses.

Time will tell.

 

[Kit Lens Jockey]

I'm betting that this will be cheaper than we expect. I have no idea exactly how much.

But Canon is still trying to build up a user base of RF camera users. They've shown with this camera that they're going to throw down the gauntlet with regard to specs, I'll bet they do it on price too. Don't forget the manufacturing costs and complexity of building a mirrorless is less than a DSLR, so I'm not sure you can directly compare the cost of past flagship DSLRs to what this will sell for. They showed that they were willing to undercut everyone else with the RP, even though granted that's probably more of an entry level full frame camera than anyone else has.

The industry is still in the midst of a big mirrorless transition, I'm sure Canon wants to lock as many people as they can into the RF camera and lens ecosystem now because it will drive future camera and lens sales for decades to come. They might be willing to go low on the price of this to get people to come on board. Then again, the whole industry is struggling right now, so maybe they can't afford to. It's really hard to say.

 

[BeenThere]

To get cinema 8K out of 3:2 sensor requires a minimum of around 40MP. Canon's 1-Series are currently at 20 MP.

Line doubling.

 

[.jan]

I am curious about just one useful feature that I saw on the EOS R but hasn't been mentioned concerning the EOS R5.

The sensor cover.

A metric f*ckton of features haven't been mentioned. Did you really expect them to elaborate on that one when they don't even disclose the sensor resolution?

 

[TMACIOSZEK]

I am curious about just one useful feature that I saw on the EOS R but hasn't been mentioned concerning the EOS R5.

The sensor cover.

Interesting point. Would be disappointing if they remove it now that we've become used to it.

 

[Kit.]

The product listing (so far) says "Up to 12fps Mechanical" which "up to" hints to me there are probably some catches. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they differentiate it from the 1DX3, with crippled or no AF at the highest burst rates.

It's pretty obvious that 1DX3 has a larger share of processing power allocated for autofocus performance. There is no need for any intentional "crippling".

 

[BeenThere]

I expect these teleconverters will be, by some margin, the best Canon or anyone has ever made.

Look at the Sony FE teleconverters - putting aside the normal questions around Sony's appalling quality control etc - they are the best there is, exceptional image quality and almost half the size of the current Canon EF lenses. Teleconverters really appear to be one of those areas vastly improved by the wider, shallower mount and therefore proximity to the sensor.

It will be interesting to see how they work with the RF-EF adapters and thus EF lenses - might be a nice way to keep bringing people into the system while allowing them to keep using some of their EF glass.

Canon certainly has the lens chops to design and build the best ever TCs.

 

[TMACIOSZEK]

The product listing (so far) says "Up to 12fps Mechanical" which "up to" hints to me there are probably some catches. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they differentiate it from the 1DX3, with crippled or no AF at the highest burst rates.

They need to give people a reason to still buy the 1DX3. They are a business, after all. It also mentions nothing about the 20fps electronic, yet.

Well, "up to" may also be in reference to your shutter speed. if your shutter speed isn't fast enough to accommodate 12fps then you're not going to achieve that.

 

[Richard CN]

I am certain it won't be 4k 120 fps full frame. The processing technology has not advanced that far yet.

Also, it will have 8k with 30 fps but clearly at a massive compromise. It is a little hard to believe that they will do these with 40 mpx in that body when the 1dx or the canon cine cameras cannot do that. And Panasonic with that massive S1H also couldn't do it. And Sony with their sensors couldn't put more than 24 mpx for 20 fps in their A9 II.

The rumors sound too good to be true in my opinion

rumors? it was announced. 8k video.

and it's not that hard. the 1DX III does 5.5k60p which is right around the same as 8k30p in terms of bitrate.

 

[BeenThere]

For what it’s worth, while reading this thread on my phone I was served an ad for the new Nikon D6, and it changed to a JCPenney ad for jeans for really fat women.

I’m still processing the irony.

Taking advantage of the new slimming mode of the R5.

 

[masterpix]

I'm pretty sure that's bingo for anyone who thought the phrase f/7.1L was going to happen

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- A

7.1 with 7 steps IS and IBIS? who cares it is 7.1 anymore?

 

[joestopper]

I got the ProMedia gear bracket for my R and it is perfect. The RRS and Kirk brackets do not allow proper use of the flip out screen. The PMG does allow almost full range with just a bit of limit. Miles better than the competition.

I have the ProMedia L-bracket, too. To my mind the best available for the R.

 

[PureClassA]

OK. here is a question. If you didn't know the name for this camera and someone gave you the specs(as we know them) and told you it was the flagship(1dx) equivalent. Would you be impressed or disappointed? And as such. What do you think this will mean for a future R1?I mean crap!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could they possibly improve enough over this to release an actual R1.

The R1X will have nearly identical ergonomics to the 1DX line. So it will be a much larger body with a much larger battery, able to balance much better with longer Great White glass. The 1DX3 and R5 we assume will share the same singular Digic x CPU. Until now, the 1DX line has always had TWO CPUs plus a third for AF. A 1RX could return to this (at least perhaps with say TWO Digic X or Maybe Digic X2 by that point) and offer Servo AF capabilities never before thought possible with a data throughput like a 6 foot diameter pipeline. Crazy stuff like 30fps in FF 14bit RAW at 24MP with zero blackout, zero lag EVF and servo AF. God only knows. But there is plenty room to grow and rest assured Canon will make a never before seen monster when that camera comes out

 

[vishaltpt]

Who told you that it will be 40Mpixels and not 45? "will possibly" is a way to stay a fact? TROLL ALERT!
ALL mirrorless cameras take fewer shots per battery charge. You compare apples with oranges! TROLL ALERT!
Panasonic has 24mp and you complain against the possibility that canon has 40! TROLL ALERT!
Panasonic takes Approx. 400 Shots so less then 5DmKiv (Which is a very good number but still it is a mirrorless camera so the difference) TROLL ALERT!
And last: Possibly, possibly, possibly: TROLL ALERT!

& Who confirmed you that it is 45 Mpx & not 40 or even 31 Mpx!!

clearly Canon has not said anything on Mpx in the announcement & no mention of codecs, ISO improvements , DR improvements or bit depth for video either. What kind of Development Announcement was that ?? 8K ??


It looks like Canon marketing may have been forced (or even preempted) to announce this 8K wonder of R5 camera as they may have got news that SONY might announce something big with A7S3 or A74.

& why are you assuming 8K will be 1:1 readout on R5 ? to have at least 40 mpx as your assumed resolution


& How can canon let R5 spit out 20 frames( at say 45 mpx ) when the 1DX3 can do the same at 20 mpx ?? clearly there is a catch here.

Canon has a history of crippling lower end cameras so that they don't hurt the sales of Higher end one's.

& battery life will make a hell of a difference to the 5D4 pro's if canon wants to switch them to R5. It is major. For 5D4 PRO's to switch to R5 it has to be significantly better than 5D4 in every aspect.Period.

RF glass is expensive as hell so business wise one has to justify switching from EF to RF is well worth it.

& Don't just be a blind canon fanboy; look at the competition...look Fuji is coming to beat you & so is Panasonic. The majority of high Mpx 5Ds crowd i know has already switched to Fuji GFX50 & the video crowd have already switched to S1H.
Canon needs to deliver a very heavy punch with R5 both in photo & video to win back those who have left or are about to leave...but that looks like a tall task.

 

[mpmark]

I agree! And although this is my #1 favorite site - although not for the rumors but for the technical conversations and the fantastic pictures of some members - I was one that did not believe it and implied it a BS rumor for clicks.

So I apologize and i congratulate him at the same time!

I too thought the 45mp with 12/20fps was baloney but I am glad I was wrong, with canon's history of marginal releases this was a curve ball so easy to think it was fake. But amazing Canon rumors got that right! The guy literately puts the site on the line and doesn't get enough credit for getting it right.

 

[ahsanford]

The R1X will have nearly identical ergonomics to the 1DX line. So it will be a much larger body with a much larger battery, able to balance much better with longer Great White glass.

Right, because the R5 is big and chunky like the 5D-- oh wait, that never happened.

In all seriousness, you're probably right about the R1, but it would not surprise me one bit if even that battleship when on a small diet.

- A

 

[mpmark]

I seriously wonder whether Canon would be bothered if some of the pros switched to a R5. Many will buy the R1 regardless, but if some shift to a lighter form Canon might not care if they are keeping Nikon and Sony away from the pro customers. Devouring the competition while shuffling some customers internally between product lines is a pretty good goal.

The R5 is for customers (or at least for me) who didn't go Sony in part because they couldn't decide between the A7 and A9 (among a few other reasons related to ergonomics).

I dont think it matters when you are literally choosing between 2 cameras from the same company, Canon wins either way.

 

[PureClassA]

Ah...he's gone over to the dark side, shooting Sony Mk IV. ;-)
The funny thing is, he uses the R for shooting all his video stuff, at least for YouTube, as he likes/loves the DPAF and the flippy/tilty panel...

I hear Canon made a special firmware update for Tool's EOS R. After it installs, the camera will stop working and boot into a hyperlink on the touchscreen that will take him to the CanonRumors website B&H photo link to pre-order an R5 for his special price of $5000 (what he swears this camera will cost). All he has to do is click the Middle Finger icon using the EOS R touchbar and he gets free next day shipping. After that his YouTube channel will loop a video 24/7 of him just saying "Don't listen to anything I say. It's all crap anyway"

 

[AEWest]

With all this talk about lenses and potential camera prices, not much has been said about the sensor itself. Will it be a stacked sensor like the patent Canon published on Dec 21, 2017? The press release talks about an all new sensor (probably not just because it is likely 45 mp).
As an example the A9 has a stacked sensor that allows it to shoot 20fps.

 

[joestopper]

Unlikely. Canon has a track record of mass pre-producing cameras.
They built 2.400.000 copies of the 5D MkIV before they started shipping.

Canon will for sure build close to seven digit copies of the R5
before shipping, and I am pretty sure it will ship in June.

CP+ will see samples under glass, Photokina will see working
copies.

Either you are kidding or you are entirely wrong: Building 2.4 million units before shipping a single one? -> NO WAY!
This is against any production line logistics. If there were any productions flaws they would have to dump 2.4 million units. Not even to speak of cash flow ...

20 thousand make sense ...