Canon announces development of the EOS R5 full-frame mirrorless camera

[Sharlin]

…didn't have an effecient h.264 encoder that would not heat your coffee at the same time as encoding video.

B-but… Surely that's a feature rather than a bug? They should just come up with a cupholder accessory that doubles as a heat sink!

 

[PureClassA]

Yep. They are also known as photographers.

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To some folks, Canon is apparently giving away a free one of these with every 1DX3 purchase:

 

[PureClassA]

I don’t think that’s going to happen. Just my opinion. If it does, though, it will only come after Canon has fleshed out its lineup of full-frame RF bodies and lenses. They are very laser-focused right now on that.

That second part of what you said. That. They WILL happen. No question. But yes, the FF line gets fleshed out first. We have Crop DSLR EF mount cameras now. We will have Crop RF MILCs to replace them

 

[prodorshak]

I usually give dpreview the benefit of the doubt because it's a hard job writing articles that are balanced.

But the way they reported on this development announcement leaves all credibility of balance at the door. No, not at the door, they tossed it into the trash.

They decided to ignore canon explicitly stating that they record 8k video, and latch onto canon explaining the benefits of downsampling 8k to 4k as some weird theory that canon actually shoots 8K and downsamples to 4K and that's what canon means and that it really can't record 8k video. Even though Canon states you can extract high resolution stills from the video footage (hard to do without the video file).

No to mention Canon states: "helping to produce a camera that features high-speed continuous shooting and 8K video recording". How much more clearer does one have to make it?

So in their mind that counts it up as being possibly fake 8K video and thus the "8k" in quotes in their title and their two paragraphs of misgivings about 8K video recording.

If you can follow that train of logic, I'm really impressed.

This is where dpreview gets its bad reputation from. Because my first thought was; if this was Sony - they'd be screaming it from the rooftops, holding a parade, and we'd see 5 articles discussing it by now how class leading, innovative it was, etc. It could be a totally unfair assessment, but then again, this article from them was stupid.

Even EOSHD wrote a better piece on the announcement and he's been hammering Canon continuously for the last 5+ years.

Did you see Matt Granger's video on R5? It's even worse.

 

[slclick]

IIRC, mismatched slots inhibit maximum recording speed in some modes.

And once again, in a sense, that is not a concern as I'm not inclined to use high fps or video very often. I think I used video on my 5D3 twice in nearly 8 years. High FPS maybe 50 times. So, I wasn't asking about how things work, but is everyone wanting same same with card slots. Thanks anyway.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Consider it takes 4 times less time to process 12 bit than it does 14 bit. Canon has done this alot in the past.

I'm not sure. The data transfer will save only about 14%. Other stages of processing such as encoding may benefit a little but I doubt it'll be 4x. If you imply the bitness difference will be a power of two, 2^2=4, I don't think it's the case here.

the 8K may be h.265 8 bit - which means that Canon (I could be wrong but I think this is right) only needs to read out the sensor at 10 bit mode which is even faster..8 times faster than 14 bit mode.

Now the difference is 4 bits and 2^4=16, not 8. But it still not the case, in fact it should be just about 28% faster (14-10)/14.

 

[Sharlin]

A highly speced camera comes out. The internet sings praises, and a few months later it is regarded a a piece of old junk. Exciting times, but a little disheartening.

I'd like to take the opportunity to remind everyone of Roger's Law of New Product Introduction:

 

[reef58]

The mode dial is on the top right rear of the camera. It says "Mode" in the middle, just like with the EOS R.

The "instant video" button is the red one on the top of the body directly behind the M.Fn. button, just like with the EOS R.



It's going to be 45 MP. You don't have any idea how the DR will stack up to other cameras, because you haven't tested the new sensor yet.



Possibly might not have means it definitely lags, huh?



Possibly might not have means it definitely lags, huh?





Possibly might not have means it definitely lags, huh?



Possibly might not have means it definitely lags, huh?



And in all probability it will improve on the EOS R and comparable MILCs. So what's your point?



We'll have to wait and see the actual specs and performance before we can actually answer that honestly.



You can't crop a 40+ MP 3:2 sensor by much as have enough pixels left for 8K.

4K will probably be cropped. Who cares? If it's a 2X crop that's the same size as an uncropped µ4/3 sensor!

Re: codecs Possibly might not have means it definitely lags, huh?



Yep. And you're quaking in your boots because you know it to be true.

Not to mention it has to beat 4 different cameras in all categories it appears or it lags.

 

[Michael Clark]

You are a well informed photographer, I gather that. So I was wondering when you posted about hoods, what are your thoughts on dealing with unwanted flare and decreased contrast? I would love if hoods were unnecessary but they also add protection which is a huge benefit in certain situations and in unfortunate accidents. I have definite and specific uses for certain lenses where I never use a hood but for more general use with the rest of my glass I usually do.
Love to hear your thoughts.

 

[BillB]

It seems camera specs are becoming like crack. I am only half kidding. This arms race cannot continue can it? A highly speced camera comes out. The internet sings praises, and a few months later it is regarded a a piece of old junk. Exciting times, but a little disheartening. That being said the future for Canon seems pretty bright based on the specs (1dx3) Announcement R5, and rumors R6 and others.

Some take the internet buzz a little too seriously. Part of it is Canon's fault. Without more data, people can get over torqued.

 

[David - Sydney]

Nope, that info is unavailable but it'd be a big surprise if it weren't full AE/AF in any AF mode for 12 and 20 fps.

Canon did say "up to approximately 12 FPS when using the mechanical shutter ".... that leaves it open to all sorts of caveats

 

[reef58]

There seems to be another expert, Matt Granger, who tries to warn the public from being over excited, because - we are talking Canon here, right? ... And historically inaccurate rumour site information too.

His take is, that R5 might be able to do 20 fps only with a mirror up. Somehow he forgot, he's "analysing" a mirrorless camera. So much for those youtube experts ....

Matt is taking a conservative approach and I think his information is wrong, however he just misspoke on the mirror up thing. Mistakes happen.

 

[danski0224]

That "thunk" was Sony falling over...



Waiting on 5DSR replacement.

 

[reef58]

And what brainless idiot will buy the 7400 euro 'flagship' 1Dx Mark III now this news is out?
Cannot believe Canon is charging 7400 for a product that is already outdated before it hits the market.
I am so happy there is competition now, else this R5 mirrorless would cost 7400 euro too..

Someone who understands the purpose of the camera unlike yourself.

 

[Sharlin]

I'm not sure. The data transfer will save only about 14%. Other stages of processing such as encoding may benefit a little but I doubt it'll be 4x. If you imply the bitness difference will be a power of two, 2^2=4, I don't think it's the case here.

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Now the difference is 4 bits and 2^4=16, not 8. But it still not the case, in fact it should be just about 28% faster (14-10)/14.

If I understand correctly, Richard is referring to the fact that the performance of the A/D converters is exponential in bit depth (which is to say, linear in number of discrete values). So converting a single analog reading to a 12-bit digital value is four times faster than to a 14-bit value.

 

[Michael Clark]

Do you really expect all the 1DX III features for half the price?

No, only the ones he wants.

 

[mistaspeedy]

Here is my input in case anyone finds it interesting... *If* the 45 megapixel rumored specs are true:
8K DCI would be no crop, 8K UHD would be 1.066x crop... and visually that looks like the image below.... enjoy



Bah, and I had to make a typo in that diagram.... DCI 8K not 4K

 

[Michael Clark]

I see that as an unlikely scenario, but yes - possible.

I'm gloriously happy with my 5D Mark IV for my current purposes. It will be an exercise in self-discipline to see if I can wait until "refurbished" R5s starts showing up in the Canon Store. Black Friday could epic this year.

If the past is any indication, bodies released in the fall don't get much discount action on Black Friday until the following year. So for the R5, the great deals will be BF of 2021.

 

[navastronia]

And once again, in a sense, that is not a concern as I'm not inclined to use high fps or video very often. I think I used video on my 5D3 twice in nearly 8 years. High FPS maybe 50 times. So, I wasn't asking about how things work, but is everyone wanting same same with card slots. Thanks anyway.

Sorry I misunderstood you. In that case, it seems like you're asking an obvious question, which is "does everyone else want matching card slots, which will in turn enable higher speed shooting," to which I'm sure the answer is a resounding "yes," despite that it will increase the cost of using the camera. In my observation, not many forumers here would elect for lower specs, when given the choice, although for this one issue, you are obviously one exception.

 

[BC]

I'm waiting to make sure there isn't a bait-and-switch like the EOS R – 8 fps ... but only 5(ish) in servo AF. Soooo you're back to 5D Mk II framerates with action. I mean, it was never meant to be an action camera, but still.