Canon RF 35mm f/1.4L VCM coming tomorrow at Cinema EOS event

According to TechRadar in the UK, this lens has a heavy digital correction. Some optical purists will hate this.
and the rest will enjoy the final results :)
I saw a bunch of moaners on YouTube & DPR mentioning 35GM being cheaper and optically better....typical behaviour and I'm not surprised.
Yep, they just need to mount it on their Sony body to use the 35GM and be happy. It is one thing to look at an entire ecosystem for a best solution to what you want/need and another to directly compare 2 lenses.
I can't imagine a scenario where the 35GM being the deciding factor to buy into Sony or Canon.
On the other hand, super telephotos can entice switchers or multiple system for some with appropriate disposable income or income to offset the cost.
 
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According to the diverse internet, it's for some:ROFLMAO:
there's no doubt that the availability of some lens will impact a decision though eg wide/fast primes for Sony.

Canon has their bunch of unique lenses as well eg TS-E, zoom fish eye/ 5.2mm dual fisheye, rf100-300/2.8, 28-70/2, 24-105/2.8, RF10-20/4 etc and I don't see commentators complaining that Sony and their 3rd parties aren't keeping up with them.
 
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I am good with anything 14 to 24 mm and fast. Looks like many of Trevor’s shots are stacks and composites so 35 would work fine. Requires a lot of tracking or post shoot Photoshop. I tend to shoot single shot MW or do a bit of stacking if I want really sharp skies or have an element in the foreground that I need to focus stack to have in focus. To each their own.
The 35mm at 1.4 has more than 6 times of light gathering compare to 14mm@1.4 (translate to 3 stops of exposure), so at a same exposure, you get more signal to noise ratio, and because of the focal length, the 35mm won’t push the background too far away than the 14mm. At the same FOV, the panorama from 35mm would give you much more nicer details and resolutions than the 14mm, and usually the wide FL lenses have better abberation corrections than the ultrawide.
That’s what I have been gatheing from my own experience shooting the nightsky from 12mm nightscapes to 500mm Andromedia galaxy, I won’t use scopes, too much hassel with the heavy mount, just a hobby, and I still love daytime photography to switch to dedicated astro cam and scopes.
And please be excuse for my rusty English.
 
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As you highlighted, the Sony lens also doesn’t have IS in addition to not being 15mm. The greatest area for improvement for me would have to be VIGNETTE performance. The 15-35 is an absolute joke here. I personally bought the 14-35 f/4 when I want a more compact lens. More often than not, I’m using an ultra wide lens at f/8 too. For gimbal work I’ve been using the RF 16mm f/2.8, which actually works incredibly well for video. I’m not the biggest gimbal user on the planet, though, and I know that a zoom lens is greatly preferred here for versatility. I mostly use mine for real estate walking tours so the 16mm and 24mm silver ring lenses work great for that.
How do you like your RF14-35 f/4? Some people say it's even sharper than the RF 15-35 f/2.8

What's your experience with it compared to the RF15-35?

The 16mm f/2.8 is great, but I simply need the versatility of a zoom lens!
 
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Did you ever have Canon check it out? The results you’ve posted from your copy do not match mine and many other online test results. I’m not doubting your claim that your 50/1.8 is sharper than your 24-105/4L, I’m suggesting that your L zoom is a poor copy (they do exist for all lenses, and Canon fixes them under warranty).
Hey, that's really good advice. I'll consider it. Note the 24-105 is beaten at 24 and 35 by the 14-35; at 50 by the 50/1.8, and at 100 by the macro. Still to be clear, I use the 24-105 all the time. It's not "bad" or even "enough worse to bother changing lenses." When the R came out I had the 24-105/4 and 50/1.2 and sold the 50/1.2 as I just didn't need it.
 
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I dislike the 16mm with a passion. It flares badly, not sharp and vignettes bad. I will avoid it for professional work again. Unfortunately there are not much options for it. I would gladly accept a triple the weight but sharp 16mm....
It's not a very scalable lens, that’s for sure. You can run into its limits very quickly. For my real estate walk throughs, it works just fine for me. I also use it for walk/talk gimbal where I'm walking backwards. I personally haven't had any issues with the flare or sharpness. But, I'm confident if you've tried it and it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you. haha I've personally just considered the lens performance/weight/size to be a trade off I was willing to make for my uses.
 
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How do you like your RF14-35 f/4? Some people say it's even sharper than the RF 15-35 f/2.8

What's your experience with it compared to the RF15-35?

The 16mm f/2.8 is great, but I simply need the versatility of a zoom lens!
I don’t make a habit of comparing all the lenses I own unless it’s some arbitrary justification I’m trying to make for myself. I can say that the 14-35 was purchased exclusively for real estate photography and travel. The 14-35 is pretty excellent lens as long as you never de click the “lens corrections” box in Lightroom. This was the first lens I encountered from Canon that leaned on ridiculous distortion corrections to generate a usable image. After I got over that, there was no denying that the photos looked spectacular and somehow remain very sharp. When you pack a camera kit for a vacation, this is THE ultra-wide zoom to bring. It’s very compact and when paired with a 24-105 and maybe a prime or two, you should be set for everything.

This could be noteworthy: I swiftly purchased a used copy of the RF 15-35 to replace my EF 16-35 f/2.8 - just a few months after I got the 14-35. I shoot a lot of indoor events and in all honesty, shooting a photo at 1600 ISO is still favorable to 3200 ISO when you are limited in action-freezing shutter speeds. So the f/2.8 “trinity” still remained necessary. Sharpness for sharpness, I’ve never checked. Both lenses serve different purposed for me and one stays in the real estate roller bag and the other stays in the motorsports/event roller bag.
 
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would it be an issue? ultimately it is about the quality of the final file for me.
I am looking forward to the extra 2mm of focal length of the RF14-35/4 over my EF16-35/4 combined with the same filter thread even if the quality for the extra 2mm isn't perfect in the corners. It means that I would use my EF8-15/4 much less
As long as it's up to L standards with perhaps mild barrel distortion. I just don't want to see the consumer-grade black corners with a ton of correction.

Mild barrel distortion can actually have a 3d effect for close up shooting when left uncorrected, and it can be flattering for headshots for some face shapes. Pincushion distortion would have me choosing another lens, though.
 
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As long as it's up to L standards with perhaps mild barrel distortion. I just don't want to see the consumer-grade black corners with a ton of correction.
What are ‘L standards’? Are they the same today as several years ago?

TL;DR – I really recommend people stop worrying about lenses needing digital correction of distortion. It's a non-issue from an output standpoint, and yields some meaningful benefits in that lenses can be smaller, lighter and cheaper.

Have a look at these three uncorrected RAW images (left; post-correction in DxO PhotoLab is on the right). They seem to fit your description applied to consumer-grade black lenses of ‘black corners with tons of correction’ needed.

BlackCorners.jpg

The lenses are (top to bottom) the RF 10-20mm f/4L at 10mm (Al Capone's cell in the Eastern State Penitentiary), the RF 14-35/4L at 14mm (Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi in Piazza Navona, Rome), and the RF 24-105mm f/2.8L at 24mm (a local cemetery taken the first day I got the lens). All of those lenses are black, but none are consumer-grade (the last one being a $3000 lens).

It might be worth considering that the definition of L quality has changed and now includes appropriate post-processing of images when required. Yes, the black corners result from compromises in the optical design, shifting the burden of some of the image correction from the glass in the lens to the processor downstream from the sensor. There is no reason optical correction is inherently better than digital correction, despite the issue some people have with the latter.

In the case of the above lenses, the trade-offs are evident and beneficial. The RF 10-20/4 is significantly smaller and lighter than the EF 11-24/4 that it effectively replaces (I used to own the latter), and it's also significantly cheaper. The RF 14-35/4 delivers a 2mm wider FoV compared to the EF 16-35/4 it replaces, and does so while keeping the same 77mm filter size. The RF 24-105/2.8 would almost certainly be much larger, heavier and more expensive as a more optically-corrected EF lens.

When I compared the RF 14-35/4 at 14mm to the EF 11-24/4 at 14mm, I found that the RF lens after DxO's profile to correct the 'black corners with tons of correction’ delivered the FoV of approximately 13.5mm and was just as sharp in the corners as the bigger, heavier, costlier EF lens. For that test, the deck was stacked in favor of the EF 11-24, since the lens transitions from strong barrel distortion to pincushion distortion right at 13-14mm, i.e. that's the point in the zoom range where the lens needs basically no correction of geometric distortion. Yet the corrected RF 14-35/4 delivered similar IQ in the extreme corners.

There's no such thing as 'optical purity'. Any rectilinear lens must have the distortion corrected, either using more glass in the lens or digitally after the image is captured. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. If the digital correction can yield a smaller, lighter, cheaper lens that delivers the same image quality output, personally I think that's awesome.
 
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What are ‘L standards’? Are they the same today as several years ago?

TL;DR – I really recommend people stop worrying about lenses needing digital correction of distortion. It's a non-issue from an output standpoint, and yields some meaningful benefits in that lenses can be smaller, lighter and cheaper.

Have a look at these three uncorrected RAW images (left; post-correction in DxO PhotoLab is on the right). They seem to fit your description applied to consumer-grade black lenses of ‘black corners with tons of correction’ needed.

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The lenses are (top to bottom) the RF 10-20mm f/4L at 10mm (Al Capone's cell in the Eastern State Penitentiary), the RF 14-35/4L at 14mm (Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi in Piazza Navona, Rome), and the RF 24-105mm f/2.8L at 24mm (a local cemetery taken the first day I got the lens). All of those lenses are black, but none are consumer-grade (the last one being a $3000 lens).

It might be worth considering that the definition of L quality has changed and now includes appropriate post-processing of images when required. Yes, the black corners result from compromises in the optical design, shifting the burden of some of the image correction from the glass in the lens to the processor downstream from the sensor. There is no reason optical correction is inherently better than digital correction, despite the issue some people have with the latter.

In the case of the above lenses, the trade-offs are evident and beneficial. The RF 10-20/4 is significantly smaller and lighter than the EF 11-24/4 that it effectively replaces (I used to own the latter), and it's also significantly cheaper. The RF 14-35/4 delivers a 2mm wider FoV compared to the EF 16-35/4 it replaces, and does so while keeping the same 77mm filter size. The RF 24-105/2.8 would almost certainly be much larger, heavier and more expensive as a more optically-corrected EF lens.

When I compared the RF 14-35/4 at 14mm to the EF 11-24/4 at 14mm, I found that the RF lens after DxO's profile to correct the 'black corners with tons of correction’ delivered the FoV of approximately 13.5mm and was just as sharp in the corners as the bigger, heavier, costlier EF lens. For that test, the deck was stacked in favor of the EF 11-24, since the lens transitions from strong barrel distortion to pincushion distortion right at 13-14mm, i.e. that's the point in the zoom range where the lens needs basically no correction of geometric distortion. Yet the corrected RF 14-35/4 delivered similar IQ in the extreme corners.

There's no such thing as 'optical purity'. Any rectilinear lens must have the distortion corrected, either using more glass in the lens or digitally after the image is captured. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. If the digital correction can yield a smaller, lighter, cheaper lens that delivers the same image quality output, personally I think that's awesome.

I didn't mean to be referencing distortion correction for ultra-wide primes where more aggressive correction is expected these days. I did respond to a post about an ultra-wide, but I was referring back to this new prime when talking about my expectations.

A 35mm 1.4 prime the size of this lens shouldn't need that much distortion correction. The RF 35 1.8 Macro doesn't have much, so I'm not expecting it here on this L lens either.
 
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This was the first lens I encountered from Canon that leaned on ridiculous distortion corrections to generate a usable image
What's ridiculous about this?

To my mind, lens design is always a big tradeoff game: improve one spec and another gets worse. Distortion is one aberration that can be totally corrected in software and I believe undetectably so, so any time you can improve any other aspect of the lens--be it size, weight, cost, autofocus speed, out of focus highlight shapes and disk contours, lateral chromatic aberration, or any other, and make distortion worse... and then correct the distortion perfectly in software--you're far ahead, no? Would you prefer less distortion and more of other aberrations that cannot be easily and perfectly corrected?
 
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