Official announcement of the Canon EOS R1 is now expected in July

It seems reasonable to believe that Canon knows what features will yield the best R1 sales. Conversely, it seems unreasonable to believe that anyone on this forum knows more about making and selling cameras than the company that has led the market for two decades and continued to dominate it even through the plummet in camera sales and the transition to mirrorless.
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I noticed yesterday that B&H and Adorama added SKU / Barcode numbers to their landing page for the R1 recently. I imagine it’s early July that we hear something solid or the announcement itself for it.


Also, anyone have an 1D X MK III they want to sell cheap?
I got four Canon 1Dc's i might be looking to get rid of. Lotsa L-series and Cinema primes and zooms lenses too! A few of the Fujinon PL to EF mount Cinema Zooms which cost me $79,000 USD each too! Got a few full Zeiss Master Prime sets and some entire Summilux-C series too $240,000 USD new for each set when bought... Make me an offer! Some space-rated pure Quartz for IR and UV imagery MF Zeiss lenses and multiple 54 megapixel Kodak backs for MF Hasselblads. A few of the Sigma Bazooka telephotos too !!!
 
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Honestly, I’m surprised as well. I was expecting 30-36 MP or so.

But Canon has ample data on what sells and what doesn’t, direct lines of communication with the pros who are the target market for the R1, data from other sources (e.g., paid market research), etc. Meanwhile, we have…our personal opinions.

It seems reasonable to believe that Canon knows what features will yield the best R1 sales. Conversely, it seems unreasonable to believe that anyone on this forum knows more about making and selling cameras than the company that has led the market for two decades and continued to dominate it even through the plummet in camera sales and the transition to mirrorless.
I feel the mpx is about what the current technology can provide after Canon first takes care of their 'speed' requirements. Fps, buffer, FTP etc. Once Canon (in the future), is able to check mark all the speed requirements, it will increase the mpx to what is then possible.
 
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I suggest to prefer it until EOS R1MkMCMLXIV becomes available. Rumor has it that it will be a fantastic camera :D
You're in luck! It's coming REAL SOON NOW! My industry insiders are saying sometime around EITHER in the Year 2525 or the Year 5150! I will see you then here on CanonRumors to peruse and discuss all the latest specs!

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You're in luck! It's coming REAL SOON NOW! My industry insiders are saying sometime around EITHER in the Year 2525 or the Year 5150! I will see you then here on CanonRumors to peruse and discuss all the latest specs!

I will set my Dead Man Avatar Upload's calendar to remind my digital living self to remember today's date!
I feel like I've done no-one a favour by previously revealing that you are posting from the future ...
 
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Unless there is an R1s announced as well, I REALLY hope the R1 flops. Unless the 24mp rumors are wrong. ALL other brands were 45+mp 2 years ago, I wanted to buy an R1 so badly, but canon is letting me down. The R5 II is not a substitute.
Sony's new sports camera, the a9 III, is 24MP. Unlike Sony, Canon won't degrade image quality by using a global shutter.

 
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Sony's new sports camera, the a9 III, is 24MP. Unlike Sony, Canon won't degrade image quality by using a global shutter.


Unless there is an R1s announced as well, I REALLY hope the R1 flops. Unless the 24mp rumors are wrong. ALL other brands were 45+mp 2 years ago, I wanted to buy an R1 so badly, but canon is letting me down. The R5 II is not a substitute.
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Unless there is an R1s announced as well, I REALLY hope the R1 flops. Unless the 24mp rumors are wrong. ALL other brands were 45+mp 2 years ago, I wanted to buy an R1 so badly, but canon is letting me down. The R5 II is not a substitute.
You are not the target consumer for the R1. And visa versa, R1 is not meant for you. You need something else. Please understand that speed and hi mpx do not go together in any brand. Deep breaths will help.
 
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You are not the target consumer for the R1. And visa versa, R1 is not meant for you. You need something else. Please understand that speed and hi mpx do not go together in any brand. Deep breaths will help.
That is fair. What instead, though?

Within the current Canon lineup, there's only the R5 range which is a smaller body with much shorter battery life. If you need the ruggedness and better battery life of an R3/R1, the R5 just doesn't quite cut it.

I would love to see a higher resolution RF body in an R3 form factor, perhaps trading some speed for increased resolution. I'd hoped the R1 would be "both", i.e. speed AND somewhat increased resolution.
 
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That is fair. What instead, though?

Within the current Canon lineup, there's only the R5 range which is a smaller body with much shorter battery life. If you need the ruggedness and better battery life of an R3/R1, the R5 just doesn't quite cut it.

I would love to see a higher resolution RF body in an R3 form factor, perhaps trading some speed for increased resolution. I'd hoped the R1 would be "both", i.e. speed AND somewhat increased resolution.
Then, in my knowledge (limited) what you want does not exist in the market just yet. But 'both' will not happen. Because speed needs lower mpx. Lower is subjective... From where it all started 24mpx is high and enough for most jobs.
 
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That is fair. What instead, though?

Within the current Canon lineup, there's only the R5 range which is a smaller body with much shorter battery life. If you need the ruggedness and better battery life of an R3/R1, the R5 just doesn't quite cut it.

I would love to see a higher resolution RF body in an R3 form factor, perhaps trading some speed for increased resolution. I'd hoped the R1 would be "both", i.e. speed AND somewhat increased resolution.
The R1 crowd prefers speed over mpx. Canon seems to understand that. 1 series is for the photographer that cannot afford to miss a shot because of either camera malfunction in the field (ruggedness) or missed photo because of focus or fps. And this crowd is generally the action professional that buys long telephotos negating the need for cropping too much. So Canon will not trade speed. It will increase resolution somewhat when the processors become faster, but will still give preference to speed over mpx.
 
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The R1 crowd prefers speed over mpx. Canon seems to understand that. 1 series is for the photographer that cannot afford to miss a shot because of either camera malfunction in the field (ruggedness) or missed photo because of focus or fps. And this crowd is generally the action professional that buys long telephotos negating the need for cropping too much. So Canon will not trade speed. It will increase resolution somewhat when the processors become faster, but will still give preference to speed over mpx.

Two things though:
- Speed vs MP is not quite the engineering* tradeoff it once was. The R5 was canon’s fastest (and nearly highest resolution) sensor at the same time. Ditto for the A1. Ditto for the Z9. Not saying there is zero tradeoff, but we’re far removed from the 1D vs 1Ds days.
- Canon doesn’t really give folks who need a gripped body a choice. We can’t really talk about their “preferences” when there’s no way for consumers to express that preference except by jumping brands. The only thing that seems really true: Canon is not concerned about losing customers who need a gripped RF body because of low megapixels.

*I will concede that “speed” now has two conflated meanings. Readout vs pixel pipe. The Z9 is excellent at readout, but might be pipeline limited.
 
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- Canon doesn’t really give folks who need a gripped body a choice. We can’t really talk about their “preferences” when there’s no way for consumers to express that preference except by jumping brands. The only thing that seems really true: Canon is not concerned about losing customers who need a gripped RF body because of low megapixels.
Hmmm...Nikon,as far as I know, has one gripped body - so no choice other than high MPs.
Sony, as far as I know, has no gripped bodies, so no choice at all.

I believe that there was a comment that the 5 series cameras outsell the 1 series cameras by about 30 to 1. So, large, flagship type, gripped cameras are a very low seller. So, how many of these gripped bodies should Canon be making?
 
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Canon cares about the needs of its R1 target audience, professional sports photographers. 24mp with very high readout speed is probably what's required for optimal operation of the camera's new features.
That's a good point. In particular, Canon is already touting the R1's 'Action Priority AF' may depend on a very fast readout speed (Canon highlighted the AF benefits of the R3's stacked sensor in terms of readout speed meaning faster subject sampling). I can certainly see Canon prioritizing better AF performance over more MP.
 
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Hmmm...Nikon,as far as I know, has one gripped body - so no choice other than high MPs.
Sony, as far as I know, has no gripped bodies, so no choice at all.

I believe that there was a comment that the 5 series cameras outsell the 1 series cameras by about 30 to 1. So, large, flagship type, gripped cameras are a very low seller. So, how many of these gripped bodies should Canon be making?

I certainly not able to answer that question. I do find it pretty interesting that Canon offers two*, Nikon one, Sony zero. And both of Canon’s offerings are—seemingly—about to play in the same space. What’s super interesting is that all three seem to be having moderate success in a contracting market despite these approaches. My only point is that we shouldn’t boil down these things to the old canards about “speed vs mp” when the three leaders are all taking different approaches to the market.

I personally love Canon’s approach as they give me the best “all rounder” at the best price. I’d have to pay more for a Z8 or A1 to get what I get from the R5 (and hopefully R52!)

*About to offer, anyways. We’ll see where the dust settles.
 
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