Canon RF 35mm f/1.4L VCM coming tomorrow at Cinema EOS event

Actually I meant to add a note to that effect.

Canon sites a bit higher hand-holdability for IS lenses on IBIS bodies than non-IS lenses on IBIS bodies, but it's not a night and day difference. And even if that difference really sounds useful for stilling camera shake, it obviously doesn't do anything for subject movement. And just due to focal length being 35mm, the "reciprocal rule" suggests you get an extra stop or more on the 35mm compared to say the 85mm anyway.

I'm sure those without IBIS would disagree, but since moving from the R to R5 I'm actually keen to see as FEW lenses with IS as possible. The IBIS already allows insanely long shots (Even my worst shots at 1/4 with the 50/1.8 are acceptable, and most 1/2 are OK). I'd prefer the lens aberrations and other features be improved, instead of IS. I'm certain others are doing real-world shooting who would totally disagree, but as for my shooting that's where I stand.
Good point, and it goes along with the slight combo benefit of rf 10-20mm with IBIS bodies.
 
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:pI'd like to understand why the new RF lens has more space between the lens elements and the outer shell of the lens barrel, yet Canon chose not to include IS. I've never missed IS with my current ef 35mm f/1.4L II with the R5's IBIS, but I'd just like to understand this new lens's design a little better. (Sorry I couldn't find a direct, side by side comparison of both lenses straight on.)

Thanks.
When you dump that old ratty lens you can send it to me. In return, I shall send you a bushel of apples each year for ten years. Don't know how that smiley ended up there. It was supposed to be down here.
 
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What are ‘L standards’? Are they the same today as several years ago?

TL;DR – I really recommend people stop worrying about lenses needing digital correction of distortion. It's a non-issue from an output standpoint, and yields some meaningful benefits in that lenses can be smaller, lighter and cheaper.

Have a look at these three uncorrected RAW images (left; post-correction in DxO PhotoLab is on the right). They seem to fit your description applied to consumer-grade black lenses of ‘black corners with tons of correction’ needed.

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The lenses are (top to bottom) the RF 10-20mm f/4L at 10mm (Al Capone's cell in the Eastern State Penitentiary), the RF 14-35/4L at 14mm (Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi in Piazza Navona, Rome), and the RF 24-105mm f/2.8L at 24mm (a local cemetery taken the first day I got the lens). All of those lenses are black, but none are consumer-grade (the last one being a $3000 lens).

It might be worth considering that the definition of L quality has changed and now includes appropriate post-processing of images when required. Yes, the black corners result from compromises in the optical design, shifting the burden of some of the image correction from the glass in the lens to the processor downstream from the sensor. There is no reason optical correction is inherently better than digital correction, despite the issue some people have with the latter.

In the case of the above lenses, the trade-offs are evident and beneficial. The RF 10-20/4 is significantly smaller and lighter than the EF 11-24/4 that it effectively replaces (I used to own the latter), and it's also significantly cheaper. The RF 14-35/4 delivers a 2mm wider FoV compared to the EF 16-35/4 it replaces, and does so while keeping the same 77mm filter size. The RF 24-105/2.8 would almost certainly be much larger, heavier and more expensive as a more optically-corrected EF lens.

When I compared the RF 14-35/4 at 14mm to the EF 11-24/4 at 14mm, I found that the RF lens after DxO's profile to correct the 'black corners with tons of correction’ delivered the FoV of approximately 13.5mm and was just as sharp in the corners as the bigger, heavier, costlier EF lens. For that test, the deck was stacked in favor of the EF 11-24, since the lens transitions from strong barrel distortion to pincushion distortion right at 13-14mm, i.e. that's the point in the zoom range where the lens needs basically no correction of geometric distortion. Yet the corrected RF 14-35/4 delivered similar IQ in the extreme corners.

There's no such thing as 'optical purity'. Any rectilinear lens must have the distortion corrected, either using more glass in the lens or digitally after the image is captured. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. If the digital correction can yield a smaller, lighter, cheaper lens that delivers the same image quality output, personally I think that's awesome.
Fascinating that this is permeating the line. I remember all the hand wringing and nose bleeds that occurred when the 24-240 was rolled out. I still enjoy that lens thoroughly. Turns out it was ahead of its time.
 
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So does anyone have the 35mm f/1.4 yet? Mine's on order. I paid USD1,392.70 at Bic Camera in Tokyo, including tax and shipping.

I tried to order it weeks ago, and they had a new credit card security program I had to sign up for. (They just send you an SMS to verify your purchase.) I didn't have time to figure out how to sign up, and forgot about it until yesterday. So maybe I'll get mine next year, IDK.

When I get it I'll post both tripod and hand-held images in my SHOOTOUT series on the forum, comparing the Sigma 28/1.4, RF35/1.4, and RF50/1.8 with the RF24-105/4. For those who don't recall I shoot a laserprint test target of about 50lp/mm (lines about 2 pixels wide on an R5), and wrote software that autoranks the targets for contrast. I shoot at a variety of apertures/shutter speeds. I actually show you what level of sharpness you can expect.
 
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The guy's annoying to listen to but my takeaways are:

1) zero coma, so good for astro. (Unlike the EF35/1.4MkI which was the worst coma I've ever owned).

2) zero focus breathing so perhaps good for video

3) really bad chromatic aberation including fringing on OOF areas

4) OOF onion rings

5) reviewer complains about distortion that software can fix perfectly. I have asked a dozen times on this forum if anyone has even one sample photo showing that distortion correction hurts the image, but so far I haven't seen any. I'd like anyone voicing a strong opinion that this is a problem to show an image where it's a problem.

IN FACT, this is so bad at non-video non-astro that I feel like they're leaving room for a huge 35/1.0 or 1.2 with zero aberrations and round OOF highlights but that doesn't worry about video needs.
 
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The guy's annoying to listen to but my takeaways are:

1) zero coma, so good for astro. (Unlike the EF35/1.4MkI which was the worst coma I've ever owned).

2) zero focus breathing so perhaps good for video

3) really bad chromatic aberation including fringing on OOF areas

4) OOF onion rings

5) reviewer complains about distortion that software can fix perfectly. I have asked a dozen times on this forum if anyone has even one sample photo showing that distortion correction hurts the image, but so far I haven't seen any. I'd like anyone voicing a strong opinion that this is a problem to show an image where it's a problem.
No BR element, I guess.
 
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That guy when confronted in the comment section about not using a lens hood responded with not needing one because "he is not an idiot".
He also tells viewers to STFU if they don't agree with him or if he doesn't understand their English. I've lived 30 years where I'm not a native speaker so I have a lot of understanding for someone who isn't great at a language. But I never tell people to STFU if I don't understand them, or even if I think I do. He's got anger issues.

That said, when I saw the onion rings, I cancelled my order.

I think it's probably great for videography and astro, but it's not really optimized for artsy street photog.
 
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One thing i find weird with this lens is that it has not been put in the hands of the usual youtubers.
With most product launches they fly them in from all over to showcase the new stuff.
Can it be because they fear the product is too polarizing? Surely there is some sort of agreement at the very least between Canon and the larger gear review channels because they could very well have bought it by themselves and made a review by now.
Only Gordon Laing has made a "first looks review", beyond that there are some nonsensical "Canon explorers of light" videos which are more like slightly advanced commercials rather than reviews.
Right now plebeians have this lens in their hands and none of the large channels have made a video about it yet.. Usually they fight about being the first.
 
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I'm waiting for Dustin Abott to release his long reviews.

So far the only sensible cons for this lens is:
- MSRP is more than $ony's 35GM. The difference in street prices is even bigger in Hong Kong.

The rest are nitpicking that isn't critical to results:
- Digital correction is needed > Does it matter if the end result is better than 35GM & EF35Lii ? I'm paying for the results, not anything else.
- the wobble lens module > Doesn't matter, RF100-400 has the same design, and it's not going to make the lens worse. The complaining is proving the internet is anti-Canon for no good reason.
- Heavier than 35GM > difference is less than 100g
- Aperture ring is not clickable/usable in stills > Never was a problem for Canon RF cameras, as all were equipped with customisable multi-function ring in the front, and you have dials on the camera.

Canon gears in the recent 5 years have been the most ridiculous, most intensive nitpicking I've ever seen. If the same comparing standards apply to others. They are dead.
 
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I watched Gordon Liang's video today. Nice job on the VCM, and compares it to the EF 35 and RF 35 STM (mentioned).

This lens does comes with the caveats. (as mentioned) Besides no IS, it doesn't support multiple exposures on most (if not all) R bodies. The iris ring doesn't work for stills and is "slightly" limited on non-Cinema bodies. See pges 10 & 20


Like the 24-105 Z, Canon is focusing on incorporating video features where possible. Example, the lens supports gel filters.
 
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I'm waiting for Dustin Abott to release his long reviews.

So far the only sensible cons for this lens is:
- MSRP is more than $ony's 35GM. The difference in street prices is even bigger in Hong Kong.

The rest are nitpicking that isn't critical to results:
- Digital correction is needed > Does it matter if the end result is better than 35GM & EF35Lii ? I'm paying for the results, not anything else.
- the wobble lens module > Doesn't matter, RF100-400 has the same design, and it's not going to make the lens worse. The complaining is proving the internet is anti-Canon for no good reason.
- Heavier than 35GM > difference is less than 100g
- Aperture ring is not clickable/usable in stills > Never was a problem for Canon RF cameras, as all were equipped with customisable multi-function ring in the front, and you have dials on the camera.

Canon gears in the recent 5 years have been the most ridiculous, most intensive nitpicking I've ever seen. If the same comparing standards apply to others. They are dead.
For me the issue begins and ends with the onion-ring highlights. That basically ruins it for me as a street photography lens. I can't think of a single photo that I thought was great that had onion ring highlights, by myself or anyone else. Also, the mechanical vignetting causing the American-football-shaped highlights is a little too extreme. (I have the same complaint with the RF50/1.2.) That causes a swirly effect a little bit that I don't like.

What I really want more than anything is primes that deliver perfect circles even to the corners. These would have really huge front elements though. I think the onion rings come from aspherical elements? If so that means I want primes without asphericals, which means they'll be a lot less compact, less corrected, etc. etc.
 
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As much as I love my Tampon 35mm 1.4, it just isn't very good for pro video use, and thus I picked this up. If I were strictly looking at it for photos, I encourage anyone to pickup the Tampon. Favorite lens in recent memory. No, I will not fight the autocorrect.
 
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As much as I love my Tampon 35mm 1.4, it just isn't very good for pro video use, and thus I picked this up. If I were strictly looking at it for photos, I encourage anyone to pickup the Tampon. Favorite lens in recent memory. No, I will not fight the autocorrect.
How come when I type Tamron it doesn't auto-correct to ladies hygiene products. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: It's true though, the Tamron is very popular lens.
 
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How come when I type Tamron it doesn't auto-correct to ladies hygiene products. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: It's true though, the Tamron is very popular lens.
What makes it even richer is that on Youtube videos I've seen it often and always derided it as a dumb joke, and then it kept happening when I was typing and I was like well now I feel like an idiot. I assume its something To do with being on Safari browser? Who knows.
 
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