DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

[superlatives]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Older camera support aside, I downloaded these from Canon USA late last night and found a few interesting things. First of all, it makes you install EOS Utility 2 (which I uninstalled) and it also installs an application called Canon Lens Registration or something like that. It was too late for me to fool around with it, but I wonder what that application does. Has anyone tried it?

Hi:

Canon Lens Registration seems to be a separate "component" of what EOS Utility used to have built-in in the past: it allows you to apply lens aberration info for lenses you select.

 

[thebowtie]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Thanks thebowtie,

I'll give it a shot on my Mac when I get a few minutes free. I'm always curious to try new software but I hate running multiple versions of the same thing...

One more thing...
Because it's a "New" and "independent" installation, it not only does not leverage any metadata, you also need to download all the lens profiles you use for this installation if you want to use "Digital Lens Optimization".

However, if you do use it, I find that it works much faster at applying the DLO than the older 3.x versions.

I'm still standing by my speculation that Canon are trying to woo back their fan base by providing a more usable DPP so that you may not want to pay Adobe for theirs any more if what you need is addressed by DPP.

(Then maybe that will allow you to save for the next shiny thing from Canon )
Cheers

 

[nubu]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

For me, as long time user of the classic dpp most changes are improvements and overall the performance esp. with the dlp modules. Two changes are not positive from my point of view:
- I really liked the old quick separate crop and rotation tool. It was much faster.
- Maybe connected to the loss of a separate crop and rotation tool crop and rotation is now also part
of a recipe when copied from one pic to another. Meaning that if your pic contains cropping info this is copied to another pic when coping the correction recipe! Before this was separated - which was much more flexible. Normaly cropping is someting very individual for a pic and not something like a whitbalance or nois reduction setting which typically applies to a sequence of pics...

nubu

PS: ... I had one crash so far with about 1000 pics developed.

 

[jrista]

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Yeah, it's kind of a mess. It really isn't any better for other manufacturers. Some of them have even more radical generational changes in their metadata than Canon does.

It would be interesting to know if the Canon guys are as confused as the rest of the world is by now, or if they've got top-notch internal docs and samples that make everything easy to do.

For example I know the Magic Lantern devs recently failed to figure out Canon's awb algorithm - it's a complete mystery what all these color channel tags exactly mean and how they end up in a temperature and tint value (they need it for the dual_iso module). Who knows how different that is between camera models. First they tried to compute the awb from the tags which did very seldom work, now they compute it from the ground up looking at the pixels which often also doesn't work :-\

Um, I'm rather confused at why the ML guys couldn't figure out the temp/tint model. That's actually the same as the L*a*b* color space. It's just blue/yellow and magenta/green opponent-process color axes, which are the same opponent-process color axes human vision uses (i.e. we cannot simultaneously see blue and yellow at the same spatial location...same goes for magenta/red and green...this is due to the way the cones of our eyes respond to light via a tristimulus factor.) This stuff is pretty thoroughly researched theory (decades old theory)...if the ML guys want to figure it out, they should probably look into color theory, especially the work done by the CIE.

Also, as far as I know, when I went searching, Canon provides fully functional source code for how they do...everything. It is not well documented, but if your a coder, and you can get your hands on source code, you should be able to figure out what it's doing.

 

[Marsu42]

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Um, I'm rather confused at why the ML guys couldn't figure out the temp/tint model. That's actually the same as the L*a*b* color space. It's just blue/yellow and magenta/green opponent-process color axes, which are the same opponent-process color axes human vision uses (i.e. we cannot simultaneously see blue and yellow at the same spatial location...same goes for magenta/red and green...this is due to the way the cones of our eyes respond to light via a tristimulus factor.) This stuff is pretty thoroughly researched theory (decades old theory)...if the ML guys want to figure it out, they should probably look into color theory, especially the work done by the CIE.

Well, alex did add two wb autotdetection algoritms, "greymed" and "greymax". As far as I understand it the latter to maximize the grey areas by adjusting the wb, the former is a "traditional algorithm" as alex puts it. Both often work ok, but not in all cases and currently completely fails on underexposed shots, the major problem seems to be the tint value. No idea where he got the idea from, I have no insight into this at all.

Also, as far as I know, when I went searching, Canon provides fully functional source code for how they do...everything. It is not well documented, but if your a coder, and you can get your hands on source code, you should be able to figure out what it's doing.

I guess the ML people are not used to receiving any help from Canon, source code or otherwise. Canon's awb has got some "intelligence" built in that corrects their computed values for the specific scene type they figure is being shot.

You're saying Canon's awb algorithm can be found in the Canon Digital Camera SDK for everybody to see? Isn't this rather a closed source thing seeing how much Nikon struggles with getting the "correct" tint values?

 

[Antono Refa]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Nice of Canon to hobble the actual utility of their downloads. Why did I bother paying for a 7D?

Maybe some hacking is in order?

Are you seriously complaining about buying a camera that was released YEARS ago, Canon's oldest body ever, in fact, because it doesn't work with a JUST NOW newly released version of DPP? Seriously?

Their "strategy", if this word would actually apply to something so poorly conceived, strikes my as being somewhat disingenuous. If Microsoft made a major upgrade to Windows 8.1 but said it wouldn't work on computer more than 3 years old, would there be an outcry?

Bad analogy - the hardware is gone, but the files are still here.

I don't care whether the current version of Windows I have would run on the desktop computer I had in 2009, because it is no longer in my possession.

I do care whether the current version of DPP (or PS, or LR, or whatever) would process the raw files I shot in 2009 with a 450D, as though the hardware is no longer in my possession, the raw files are & I might want to reprocess them.

 

[tron]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Nice of Canon to hobble the actual utility of their downloads. Why did I bother paying for a 7D?

Maybe some hacking is in order?

Are you seriously complaining about buying a camera that was released YEARS ago, Canon's oldest body ever, in fact, because it doesn't work with a JUST NOW newly released version of DPP? Seriously?

Their "strategy", if this word would actually apply to something so poorly conceived, strikes my as being somewhat disingenuous. If Microsoft made a major upgrade to Windows 8.1 but said it wouldn't work on computer more than 3 years old, would there be an outcry?

Bad analogy - the hardware is gone, but the files are still here.

I don't care whether the current version of Windows I have would run on the desktop computer I had in 2009, because it is no longer in my possession.

I do care whether the current version of DPP (or PS, or LR, or whatever) would process the raw files I shot in 2009 with a 450D, as though the hardware is no longer in my possession, the raw files are & I might want to reprocess them.

+1 The analogy is 100% off. There would be an outcry if the new Windows couldn't read all user files that were created with previous versions of Windows.

 

[JonAustin]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Bad analogy - the hardware is gone, but the files are still here.

I don't care whether the current version of Windows I have would run on the desktop computer I had in 2009, because it is no longer in my possession.

I do care whether the current version of DPP (or PS, or LR, or whatever) would process the raw files I shot in 2009 with a 450D, as though the hardware is no longer in my possession, the raw files are & I might want to reprocess them.

+1 The analogy is 100% off. There would be an outcry if the new Windows couldn't read all user files that were created with previous versions of Windows.

Wow, good observations, guys! (See post #38) ;D

 

[TexPhoto]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Upgraded to 4.0!
I have a 5D3!
My 1D4 files are not readable!
I did not toss out 3.X ???

 

[agierke]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Any additional info on the status of this? I am trying to get a 5d3 tethered to a Mac using OS X Yosemite.

Tried the AU Canon download of EOS Utility 3 and it still says that it is incompatible with the operating system. Tried looking for a US download on Canon USA site and couldn't find anything.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thx

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Each new release of a Apple OS breaks Canon Software as well as lots of printer drivers. Its best to wait until either Apple does a fix, or Canon releases a fix. I've seen posts that say 3.1 works, but 3.0 which was released a few months ago does not.

 

[philmoz]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

Any additional info on the status of this? I am trying to get a 5d3 tethered to a Mac using OS X Yosemite.

Tried the AU Canon download of EOS Utility 3 and it still says that it is incompatible with the operating system. Tried looking for a US download on Canon USA site and couldn't find anything.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thx

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/eos_slr_camera_systems/eos_digital_slr_cameras/eos_5d_mark_iii#DriversAndSoftware

Select 'OS X Mavericks 10.9' as the operating system.

Version 3.0.1 works fine with my 5D3 on Yosemite (as does 2.14.40 if you want to use version 2).
You can also download the updated versions of DPP 3 & 4 here - both of these also work for me on Yosemite.

Phil.

 

[agierke]

Re: DPP 4.0 & EOS Utility 3.0 Available for Download

thx phil, i will give that a try.