BCN Awards 2025: Sony and Nikon make Significant Gains

[Richard CN]

BCN has released its awards for the year 2024. They call the awards “2025” even though the data is from January 1st, 2024 through December 31st, 2024. Don’t ask me why – I don’t run the company.

BCN Awards 2025: Sony and Nikon make Significant Gains

BCN has released its awards for the year 2024. They call the awards "2025" even though the data is from January 1st, 2024 through December 31st, 2024. Don't a

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[Richard CN]

Canon is Doomed™

 

[KirkD]

I'm not too surprised at Nikon--they have upped their game in the last couple years. Nor am I surprised at Canon slightly slipping for the past three years. I'm way too heavily invested in Canon gear to even think about any other brand, but I do know that out of my small personal circle of photographers, one has switched from Nikon to Canon, but the rest of the photographers have all chosen to go straight in for Sony and the 'tipping point' was the lack of third party lenses for Canon's full-frame digital cameras. The one who switched from Nikon to Canon is my daughter, a professional wedding photographer, and she tends to like whatever Dad likes, and her two Nikon D750's were worn right out, with shutter counts of over 250,000 and 330,000 respectively. She's loving her two R5 Mk I's but lamenting the lack of a Canon RF35mm f1.2 (she's a bokeh lover and, apparently, a f1.4mm 35mm is not enough for her).

 

[DhlcadR6]

Nikon is getting back their shares from ex-Nikon Sony users. That\'s a good thing.

 

[jam05]

Canon Rumors used to be a unique site. Now it's pretty much a copy cat of the other rumor sites with 98% irrelevant post and repost of non Canon information for a global audience. Why on earth would anyone believe that a global audience cares about these silly BCN rankings or awards? SAR and FR post regularly these items because they have nothing relevant to discuss about the particular brands. Nothing new to post, so we'll simply post garbage.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Nothing new to post, so we'll I’ll simply post garbage.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[John Wilde]

I'm not too surprised at Nikon--they have upped their game in the last couple years.

In their financial documents, Nikon forecasts that their worldwide interchangeable lens camera market share for the fiscal year year ending March 31, 2025 will be (850/6100) 14%. That's a 1% increase compared to their previous fiscal year.

 

[Richard CN]

Canon Rumors used to be a unique site. Now it's pretty much a copy cat of the other rumor sites with 98% irrelevant post and repost of non Canon information for a global audience. Why on earth would anyone believe that a global audience cares about these silly BCN rankings or awards?

I mean, you could read the second paragraph... too hard? or did you just look at the title and lose your mind? Japanese camera companies .. japanese market .. why wouldn't it be important?

 

[Richard CN]

I'm not too surprised at Nikon--they have upped their game in the last couple years. Nor am I surprised at Canon slightly slipping for the past three years. I'm way too heavily invested in Canon gear to even think about any other brand, but I do know that out of my small personal circle of photographers, one has switched from Nikon to Canon, but the rest of the photographers have all chosen to go straight in for Sony and the 'tipping point' was the lack of third party lenses for Canon's full-frame digital cameras. The one who switched from Nikon to Canon is my daughter, a professional wedding photographer, and she tends to like whatever Dad likes, and her two Nikon D750's were worn right out, with shutter counts of over 250,000 and 330,000 respectively. She's loving her two R5 Mk I's but lamenting the lack of a Canon RF35mm f1.2 (she's a bokeh lover and, apparently, a f1.4mm 35mm is not enough for her).

their mirrorless offerings have always been pretty top notch - i was honestly puzzled that their shift to mirrorless hit so many roadblocks when Canon's did not.

 

[docsmith]

I mean, you could read the second paragraph... too hard? or did you just look at the title and lose your mind? Japanese camera companies .. japanese market .. why wouldn't it be important?

I mean, we spend a reasonable amount of time talking about market share, camera brands, etc on this forum. Why wouldn't we be interested in actual data from the majority of retailers in a country with one of the largest GDPs in the world (I see it as high as #3) that happens to be home of Nikon, Sony and Canon?

Not to bring up old wounds, but it is amazing what Canon was able to accomplish with the M system. I need to go play with an R50 and see if I think it replaces my M6 II but at least in Japan, it does not look like the R50/100/etc captured the market like the M system had.

 

[John Wilde]

I mean, we spend a reasonable amount of time talking about market share, camera brands, etc on this forum. Why wouldn't we be interested in actual data from the majority of retailers in a country with one of the largest GDPs in the world (I see it as high as #3) that happens to be home of Nikon, Sony and Canon?

Interesting, but not necessarily representative. Back when Olympus sold cameras, they sold well in Japan, but not elsewhere. Japan only accounts for (497,518/5,202,986) about 10% of mirrorless camera unit sales. (CIPA, Jan-Nov 2024)

 

[neuroanatomist]

Interesting, but not necessarily representative.

Perhaps not, but don't discount the impact of the home market for the manufacturers. If global sales were all that mattered, given the poor reception of the EOS M outside of Japan, Canon might not have made an M2. They didn't even distribute the M2 in the USA. But the M series went on to be the best-selling MILC line globally.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Canon Rumors used to be a unique site. Now it's pretty much a copy cat of the other rumor sites with 98% irrelevant post and repost of non Canon information for a global audience. Why on earth would anyone believe that a global audience cares about these silly BCN rankings or awards? SAR and FR post regularly these items because they have nothing relevant to discuss about the particular brands. Nothing new to post, so we'll simply post garbage.

People from Japan visit the site.

 

[josephandrews222]

Perhaps not, but don't discount the impact of the home market for the manufacturers. If global sales were all that mattered, given the poor reception of the EOS M outside of Japan, Canon might not have made an M2. They didn't even distribute the M2 in the USA. But the M series went on to be the best-selling MILC line globally.

I mean, we spend a reasonable amount of time talking about market share, camera brands, etc on this forum. Why wouldn't we be interested in actual data from the majority of retailers in a country with one of the largest GDPs in the world (I see it as high as #3) that happens to be home of Nikon, Sony and Canon?

Not to bring up old wounds, but it is amazing what Canon was able to accomplish with the M system. I need to go play with an R50 and see if I think it replaces my M6 II but at least in Japan, it does not look like the R50/100/etc captured the market like the M system had.

...really?! Shocker...

I ran into yet another working photographer this past weekend who, in addition to a basket-full of R gear, had an M6MkII stashed into the corner of her roller-bag. Why, I asked? She said she liked shooting with it (and liked the results, too).

And in other M-related news...yesterday I ordered one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BW9MK247?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

...I did not know until yesterday that the M200 has the ability to output clean HDMI--hopefully with the aid of the above video capture device and high-quality microphone, I'll have another high-quality webcam rig...because when Canon was clearing out their M200 inventory, I picked up a couple of M200 kits as extras. At that time, I had no idea that the M200 featured the clean HDMI output.

The really-small and light M200 as a webcam. Who would've thunk it?!

 

[Richard CN]

People from Japan visit the site.

I haven't seen CR's data, but I remember on canonnews, after the USA, Japan was the next most active country.

 

[Richard CN]

Interesting, but not necessarily representative. Back when Olympus sold cameras, they sold well in Japan, but not elsewhere. Japan only accounts for (497,518/5,202,986) about 10% of mirrorless camera unit sales. (CIPA, Jan-Nov 2024)

I have mentioned this general theme a lot when posting BCN, or the Japanese store rankings, while not global indicative, it's VERY important and a matter of pride to Nikon, Canon and Sony, et all. How they appear and are on the domestic market is significantly important to them

Also trends that happen in Asia, atypically flow out of Japan. Mirrorless overall was first adopted in Japan and then slowly and steadily moved out to Asia, and then took off in the rest of the world.

Trends can matter, and what the domestic market is buying also matters to these companies.

also:
"Japan only accounts for (497,518/5,202,986) about 10% of mirrorless camera unit sales. (CIPA, Jan-Nov 2024)"

yes, but they do that with 1.5% of the world's population.

 

[Richard CN]

...really?! Shocker...

I ran into yet another working photographer this past weekend who, in addition to a basket-full of R gear, had an M6MkII stashed into the corner of her roller-bag. Why, I asked? She said she liked shooting with it (and liked the results, too).

And in other M-related news...yesterday I ordered one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BW9MK247?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

...I did not know until yesterday that the M200 has the ability to output clean HDMI--hopefully with the aid of the above video capture device and high-quality microphone, I'll have another high-quality webcam rig...because when Canon was clearing out their M200 inventory, I picked up a couple of M200 kits as extras. At that time, I had no idea that the M200 featured the clean HDMI output.

The really-small and light M200 as a webcam. Who would've thunk it?!

the M200 yes, can do clean HDMI out - I used the M6II has a webcam - it was very good. I'm not sure how good the M200 will be because it does not have DPAF, if you are fixed focus and do not move a lot (or F/8 and be there), it should be fine. The M6 II was fantastic because it had eye AF combined with DPAF, so no matter where I was in the frame, my eyes were focused in the webcam stream. an APS-C sensor for a webcam is a million miles better.

Make sure you get the DC coupler, and also a cage (the cage will sink more heat away from the camera body - necessary with the smaller M200). Those cheap 1080p capture USB dongles also work just fine.

M200's etc are VERY expensive over here in Asia. I was griping to Craig that I can almost get a sony a7 cheaper than a canon eos-m camera.

why canon hasn't continued on the path of EOS-M in terms fo size and lifestyle photography is simply bonkers to me. the cameras are still quite hard to find over here.

 

[Richard CN]

I mean, we spend a reasonable amount of time talking about market share, camera brands, etc on this forum. Why wouldn't we be interested in actual data from the majority of retailers in a country with one of the largest GDPs in the world (I see it as high as #3) that happens to be home of Nikon, Sony and Canon?

Not to bring up old wounds, but it is amazing what Canon was able to accomplish with the M system. I need to go play with an R50 and see if I think it replaces my M6 II but at least in Japan, it does not look like the R50/100/etc captured the market like the M system had.

it won't. you need to go full R7. for the size, Canon shoved in a significant amount of power into the M6 Mark II.

 

[koenkooi]

it won't. you need to go full R7. for the size, Canon shoved in a significant amount of power into the M6 Mark II.

I really wish Canon would release a compact aps-c body with a usable e-shutter! Till that happens, the R8 is my go-to camera.

 

[Uneternal]

the M200 yes, can do clean HDMI out - I used the M6II has a webcam - it was very good. I'm not sure how good the M200 will be because it does not have DPAF, if you are fixed focus and do not move a lot (or F/8 and be there), it should be fine. The M6 II was fantastic because it had eye AF combined with DPAF, so no matter where I was in the frame, my eyes were focused in the webcam stream. an APS-C sensor for a webcam is a million miles better.

The M200 has DPAF, it is essentially an M50 Mark II without the EVF and some firmware crippling.