New Canon EOS R6 Mark III Specifications Revealed

[DhlcadR6]

A stacked sensor can be, but not necessarily, BSI.

Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all stacked CMOS has to be in a BSI structure. If it's FSI/traditional layout, the DRAM will be put on the bottom of the CMOS, which doesn't allow a fast enough readout. Unless they could do an overclocked R6ii, but the energy efficiency and heating will become an issue.

 

[Surab]

I'm absolutely enamored with the power button being on the right side.

That's an example for a feature many asked for (also in the Olympus camp), but die hard fan boys always argued away as unnecessary comfort feature.

To take me as an anecdotal example: Comfort is the reason I went for Canon even though I think Sony and Nikon have a much better lower-mid budget lens selection, because I prefer the R6II controls and feel in the hand drastically over Sonikon bodies.


So clearly comfort features can be very relevant to users. Hence, I'm happy that I got into Canon when they finally also made the switch to a power switch on the right-hand side.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I'm pretty sure that "new" 24 MP stacked sensor is a cheap version of the R3 sensor adapted for mass production at a scale that will allow the final price of the R6 Mark III to be as close to the sweet spot of $2500 as much as possible.

It might even have the same specs as whaat's in the R3 but they are just being respectful of the feelings of those who plucked $6K to purchase the original R3.

I don't really belive that there is much actual cost / manufacturing difference between the R3 and the R6ii's sensor in terms of physical costs for Canon. Once the silicon wafer has been purchased...they pop it into their sensor etching machine and push a button. Buttons maked for R6ii, R5, R1 or R3...out pops a wafer full of sensors a few minutes later. The cost is at the design / recipe stage.
To us as a consumer, we have been fed a diet of up sell and product placement ao we assume that there is a realy physical distinction between the sensors.

 

[Del Paso]

Yep, but I have large hands, and I realize that wouldn't be the same for most. And fwiw, I'm not really advocating for Canon to make that change. I was illustrating that I went from the "omg my camera is unusable without a top LCD" camp to "do I really need this thing?" Just food for thought for anyone making a change from a DSLR.

Tangentially, I loved the ergonomics of the my 5dmk3, so I was surprised at how much I feel Canon improved the r5m2. I'm absolutely enamored with the power button being on the right side. Swinging the camera up to my face while powering it on and zooming in on my 100-300 when a ball is put in play during my kids' baseball games has become an incredibly smooth motion.

The power button on the right side is a feature that could easily make me buy such a camera instead of another one with better (MP) specs. I definitely love it, so that I have replaced my EOS R as a backup with a second R5 II. Yes, no R6 II because it lacks guess what...
Also, the fact that this switch is used as a lock (ISO, for me), makes it more valuable for me. A great ergonomics innovation, isn't this what also differentiates Canon from most competitors- are you listening, Sony?

 

[Surab]

I don't really belive that there is much actual cost / manufacturing difference between the R3 and the R6ii's sensor in terms of physical costs for Canon.

To us as a consumer, we have been fed a diet of up sell and product placement ao we assume that there is a realy physical distinction between the sensors.

I have no idea about the first part of your post and it might as well be that manufacturing costs are very similar for the mentioned sensors, but that last statement has to be satirical.

If we were to believe that then certainly a Pentium 4 HT has to be basically physically the same as a Ryzen R9 9950X3D or to use less of an exaggeration a Ryzen R5 9600 is physically the same as the aforementioned Ryzen.

Just be clear I'm not arguing that we aren't paying inflated prices, but the argument made should be sound.

 

[HMC11]

Pls correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all stacked CMOS has to be in a BSI structure. If it's FSI/traditional layout, the DRAM will be put on the bottom of the CMOS, which doesn't allow a fast enough readout. Unless they could do an overclocked R6ii, but the energy efficiency and heating will become an issue.

This is what I understand. Hope it helps:

While stacked sensors are often, and increasingly, used in conjunction with BSI technology, they are distinct concepts. For instance, Stacked sensors can be Front Side Illuminated.

BSI (Back-Side Illuminated):
This refers to the way light is handled in the sensor. In BSI, the wiring and circuitry are placed on the back of the sensor, allowing light to pass through to the light-sensitive areas more directly. This typically leads to better low-light performance and higher image quality.

Stacked Sensors:
This refers to the overall architecture of the sensor. It involves placing a separate layer of circuitry on top of the image sensor, or even stacking multiple layers. This design allows for faster data readout and processing speeds.

 

[EricN]

Yes, I know that many prefer cameras without top LCD, or even without an EVF.
While I consider both to be essential. It may depend on my carrying system or just habits. The exception to this "rule" being a Leica M where I can see from above the shutter speed, the ISO and the diaphragm without having to raise the camera to my eye in order to see in the EVF these settings.
So, for me, no camera with "internal only" reading of these settings.

I remember building a cardboard pinhole camera. no viewfinder and the only setting was your paper and if you opened the hole or not. It was a good way to learn because there was only one piece of paper so I really had to think a lot...
That said, I'll take every modern advantage even if I won't use it much, it can be good to have...

 

[neuroanatomist]

This is what I understand. Hope it helps:

While stacked sensors are often, and increasingly, used in conjunction with BSI technology, they are distinct concepts. For instance, Stacked sensors can be Front Side Illuminated.

BSI (Back-Side Illuminated):
This refers to the way light is handled in the sensor. In BSI, the wiring and circuitry are placed on the back of the sensor, allowing light to pass through to the light-sensitive areas more directly. This typically leads to better low-light performance and higher image quality.

Stacked Sensors:
This refers to the overall architecture of the sensor. It involves placing a separate layer of circuitry on top of the image sensor, or even stacking multiple layers. This design allows for faster data readout and processing speeds.

Your understanding seems to result from a hallucination, which underscores the notation at the bottom of a Google result that states, "Generative AI is experimental."

Because generative AI is experimental and a work in progress, it can and will make mistakes: It may make things up. When generative AI invents an answer, it's called a hallucination. Hallucinations happen because unlike how Google Search gets information from the web, LLMs don't gather information at all.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I have replaced my EOS R as a backup with a second R5 II.

Sounds like a great backup But in this case, do you only use your backup camera when the first one doesn't work?

Yes, no R6 II because it lacks guess what...

TOP LCD? I love and use it a lot! But I guess I could do without if necessary.

The power button on the right side is a feature that could easily make me buy such a camera instead of another one with better (MP) specs. I definitely love it, so that

I have been contemplating for while now what camera to get as a "backup" or "hiking" (and such) cam. The R8 fits the bill, but the ergonomics are sooo different from the R5 and much closer to the R6mkii. Would it make sense to trade the R5 for the R6mkii (or even iii) and get a R8? I absolutely LOVE my R5. To have the same ergonomics across two or even three cameras, is the only reason I could imagine switching atm. When I owned the EOS R and R7, I really hated the fact those cameras didn't share the same ergonomics.

 

[MikeGalos]

I don't really belive that there is much actual cost / manufacturing difference between the R3 and the R6ii's sensor in terms of physical costs for Canon. Once the silicon wafer has been purchased...they pop it into their sensor etching machine and push a button. Buttons maked for R6ii, R5, R1 or R3...out pops a wafer full of sensors a few minutes later. The cost is at the design / recipe stage.

Not quite. The more complex the chip (sensor, processor, etc) is, the higher the rejection rate. Often vastly higher.

In fact, there's a long history of chip makers offering the same physical chip as different products by using chips where one section had failed in manufacturing but the rest passed as a lower end model that was the same but missing the feature that the failed section provided in the fully working chip.

 

[Del Paso]

Sounds like a great backup But in this case, do you only use your backup camera when the first one doesn't work?

TOP LCD? I love and use it a lot! But I guess I could do without if necessary.


I have been contemplating for while now what camera to get as a "backup" or "hiking" (and such) cam. The R8 fits the bill, but the ergonomics are sooo different from the R5 and much closer to the R6mkii. Would it make sense to trade the R5 for the R6mkii (or even iii) and get a R8? I absolutely LOVE my R5. To have the same ergonomics across two or even three cameras, is the only reason I could imagine switching atm. When I owned the EOS R and R7, I really hated the fact those cameras didn't share the same ergonomics.

By "backup" I meant something a bit different.
1) When I leave home with a backpack, it's always with 2 cameras, one with the RF 15-35, the other one with either the 100-500 or the 70-200
2) Longer journeys always mean at least 2 cameras, number 3 remains in the suitcase
3) Should R5 II need a repair, that's when R5 II number 2 takes over, as a real backup
Maybe I'm suffering from a severe form of neurosis/paranoia/anxiety +++++, but I'm "afraid" of staying in a beautiful landscape, or discovering a rare orchid only to find out that the one camera I took along fails...
For obvious reasons, namely weight, I originally planned my trip to Japan with one single camera and 3 lenses.
I thought it over...perhaps unfortunately.
Result: 3 bodies, 15-35, 24 TSE, 50, 70-200, 90 macro and 100-500. GAAASP! Third body in suitcase, but all lenses in backpack.
(My backpack has seen much much worse )
The R8 certainly is a nice camera, very recommendable, not only as a backup. Problem: Different battery and a very low definition EVF.

 

[MikeGalos]

And, just dreaming, they add a top LCD...

Just a reminder from an old timer that a top LCD is hardly a new feature. In the old film days, say at the time of the F-1, you could see the shutter speed, aperture, frames remaining, exposure and ISO (ASA) speed from the top of the camera and, if you had a high-end body, you could see at least some of those in the viewfinder. Having that data available in both positions was a feature added in the 1970s. Losing fifty year old features is hardly progress.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Not quite. The more complex the chip (sensor, processor, etc) is, the higher the rejection rate. Often vastly higher.

In fact, there's a long history of chip makers offering the same physical chip as different products by using chips where one section had failed in manufacturing but the rest passed as a lower end model that was the same but missing the feature that the failed section provided in the fully working chip.

Indeed. A notable, relatively recent example is the iPad Mini 7, which uses a 'binned' (as in trash bin) A17 Pro chip from the iPhone 15 Pro. The iPad Mini's has one less GPU core (the iPhone is 6-CPU/6-GPU, the iPad Mini is 6-CPU/5-GPU). To save on production costs, Apple took iPhone 15 Pro chips that failed QC due to a defect in one of the GPUs and used them in the iPad Mini 7.

 

[koenkooi]

Indeed. A notable, relatively recent example is the iPad Mini 7, which uses a 'binned' (as in trash bin) A17 Pro chip from the iPhone 15 Pro. The iPad Mini's has one less GPU core (the iPhone is 6-CPU/6-GPU, the iPad Mini is 6-CPU/5-GPU). To save on production costs, Apple took iPhone 15 Pro chips that failed QC due to a defect in one of the GPUs and used them in the iPad Mini 7.

I remember Intel doing this for their embeddd processors, the binned version became so popular that Intel shipped the full version for most of the orders. It became a cheap way to get the full versions, till Intel redesigned it and made the lower end one into its own design. And you couldn’t really complain about that as a customer

 

[GTCRMedia]

Will it still overheat though? I love the R6 line. However, reliability is a huge factor for me. Clog 2 and 6k RAW up to 60fps is nice on paper but if you can\'t keep it from overheating even in 6K23.976 then what\'s the point.

 

[MikeGalos]

I remember Intel doing this for their embeddd processors, the binned version became so popular that Intel shipped the full version for most of the orders. It became a cheap way to get the full versions, till Intel redesigned it and made the lower end one into its own design. And you couldn’t really complain about that as a customer

Back in the days of IBM leased mainframes there were two models of the System/360 (or maybe System/370) that were literally identical aside from a switch position. If you upgraded to the more powerful and more expensive model the IBM technician came out, essentially flipped the switch (really a trivial mechanical change that was equivalent to flipping a switch) and changed the model number plate. It was cheaper to produce just the expensive model than to manufacture and inventory two models.

There was another leased model that had two processor speeds that were user selectable and had a clock that recorded how much time that month you ran at the higher speed and billed you appropriately.

 

[HMC11]

Your understanding seems to result from a hallucination, which underscores the notation at the bottom of a Google result that states, "Generative AI is experimental."

Thank you.

 

[Del Paso]

Just a reminder from an old timer that a top LCD is hardly a new feature. In the old film days, say at the time of the F-1, you could see the shutter speed, aperture, frames remaining, exposure and ISO (ASA) speed from the top of the camera and, if you had a high-end body, you could see at least some of those in the viewfinder. Having that data available in both positions was a feature added in the 1970s. Losing fifty year old features is hardly progress.

Hehehe!
It is (would be) a new feature, for the R6

 

[Exploreshootshare]

By "backup" I meant something a bit different.
1) When I leave home with a backpack, it's always with 2 cameras, one with the RF 15-35, the other one with either the 100-500 or the 70-200
2) Longer journeys always mean at least 2 cameras, number 3 remains in the suitcase
3) Should R5 II need a repair, that's when R5 II number 2 takes over, as a real backup
Maybe I'm suffering from a severe form of neurosis/paranoia/anxiety +++++, but I'm "afraid" of staying in a beautiful landscape, or discovering a rare orchid only to find out that the one camera I took along fails...

The R5(mkii) is so rugged, you'll probably be fine with one or max two bodies. I'm more concerned about memory card failure. This happened exactly one time... of course, when I was on safari in Kenia Fortunately, I was able to recover about 99% of the pictures.

For obvious reasons, namely weight, I originally planned my trip to Japan with one single camera and 3 lenses.
I thought it over...perhaps unfortunately.
Result: 3 bodies, 15-35, 24 TSE, 50, 70-200, 90 macro and 100-500. GAAASP! Third body in suitcase, but all lenses in backpack.

overthinking is rarely good When I travel by car, I take a PD camera cube with my seven lenses and decided on a day-to-day basis which lenses go in my backpack. The rest stays in the car or the hotel/ Airbnb whatever. When traveling by plane, I usually take 14-35mm F4, 24-105mm F4 and 100-500mm. I might swap one of the last for the 70-200mm F4. Depending on the location, I add the 35mm F1.8 or 85mm F2. So, usually total of four lenses and one body.

The R8 certainly is a nice camera, very recommendable, not only as a backup. Problem: Different battery and a very low definition EVF.

Thx about the heads up about the EVF of the R8. I wasn't aware of that and a good EVF is really important. Maybe I do have to wait for a R8mkii and hope for an updated EVF, better battery life and a joystick (the last one is what I really hope for)

 

[AlanF]

By "backup" I meant something a bit different.
1) When I leave home with a backpack, it's always with 2 cameras, one with the RF 15-35, the other one with either the 100-500 or the 70-200
2) Longer journeys always mean at least 2 cameras, number 3 remains in the suitcase
3) Should R5 II need a repair, that's when R5 II number 2 takes over, as a real backup
Maybe I'm suffering from a severe form of neurosis/paranoia/anxiety +++++, but I'm "afraid" of staying in a beautiful landscape, or discovering a rare orchid only to find out that the one camera I took along fails...
For obvious reasons, namely weight, I originally planned my trip to Japan with one single camera and 3 lenses.
I thought it over...perhaps unfortunately.
Result: 3 bodies, 15-35, 24 TSE, 50, 70-200, 90 macro and 100-500. GAAASP! Third body in suitcase, but all lenses in backpack.
(My backpack has seen much much worse )
The R8 certainly is a nice camera, very recommendable, not only as a backup. Problem: Different battery and a very low definition EVF.

I travel with a back up for everything - from cables, to computers, to bodies, lenses and even chargers.