Canon EOS R7 Mark II: Minor Tweaks or a Major Transformation?

[Canon Rumors]

Canon’s EOS 7D series once held a proud spot in the bags of wildlife and action shooters — a true “baby 1D” for those who needed flagship performance with reach. And now, rumors are swirling that the Canon EOS R7 Mark II might pick up that mantle. In February, Craig suggested that the R7 II would deliver something like a baby R1.

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[Adrianf]

If the R7 mkii is just an R5 mkii with a smaller sensor but identical in every other way - take my money!

 

[Zadak]

If the R7 mkii is just an R5 mkii with a smaller sensor but identical in every other way - take my money!

That's not what is being said, chief

 

[bird photo nerd]

"The R7 II will likely inherit the R5 Mark II’s ergonomics: improved grip, better control layout, and hopefully a refined AF joystick (a common complaint on the original R7)."

The the position of the joystick on the R7 is right next to where the thumb naturally rests and, as such is objectively better, ergonomically, than Canon's other cameras. The reason that it's a common complaint is, everybody who previously owned Canon's other bodies long enough to get fully accustomed to the inferior joystick positioning, doesn't want to have to change their fully ingrained habits.

Canon may have had their reasons for the joystick placement in earlier bodies, but I suspect they have more in common with the QWERTY keyboard than ergonomic considerations, and like the QWERTY keyboard, it appears we're stuck with it.

 

[Zadak]

"The R7 II will likely inherit the R5 Mark II’s ergonomics: improved grip, better control layout, and hopefully a refined AF joystick (a common complaint on the original R7)."

The the position of the joystick on the R7 is right next to where the thumb naturally rests and, as such is objectively better, ergonomically, than Canon's other cameras. The reason that it's a common complaint is, everybody who previously owned Canon's other bodies long enough to get fully accustomed to the inferior joystick positioning, doesn't want to have to change their fully ingrained habits.

Canon may have had their reasons for the joystick placement in earlier bodies, but I suspect they have more in common with the QWERTY keyboard than ergonomic considerations, and like the QWERTY keyboard, it appears we're stuck with it.

Totally agree, loved the scroll next to the joystick on the R7

 

[Maximilian]

Is there any new information, guess or rumour in this article?

If I did overlook any information that was not posted yet, please let me know.
If not, then I am asking honestly what this article is worth?

Clickbait was nothing to worry about on this site for a long time.

 

[HusbandofaFilipina]

R7 II will be our 1st mirrorless camera. As well as the 100-400 lens. Can’t quite afford 100-500 right now. Maybe 100-500 mark II will be out when we’re ready…

 

[esspy2]

Hope we can get more video features like waveform and false color

And maybe open gate hehehe

 

[neuroanatomist]

The the position of the joystick on the R7 is right next to where the thumb naturally rests and, as such is objectively better, ergonomically, than Canon's other cameras.

Tell me, is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' because everyone has the same size hands as you do, because everyone holds things the same way as you do, or both?

Is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' to sit in a chair when eating a meal, as opposed to sitting on a cushion on a floor? Is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' for a kitchen counter to be 91 cm / 36" from the floor?

Sorry, but better for you is not objective in any way, nor is it universal. There's a reason office/task chairs are adjustable, as a very simple example. Ergonomics are a very personal thing.

 

[Maximilian]

R7 II will be our 1st mirrorless camera. As well as the 100-400 lens. ...

An APS-C body combined with the RF100-400 is a great combo. I am using the 100-400 on both my R6m2 and the R50. Of course, the 100-500 is better.
But you will be happy with the much lighter 100-400. Great lens for its price.

 

[H. Jones]

I do agree that 32mp makes the most sense - as an R5 owner, one of the most compelling reasons to consider the R7 II would be that it provides significantly more resolution than the R5 or R5 mark II does when in the 17mp 1.6x crop mode. 24mp would be a nice bump, but not substanial enough to really draw me to pick up another whole camera. 32mp of the R7 tempts me for more reach with birds sometimes, but not in the current form of the R7.

Add in the R5II's pre-shooting and a new R7 would be an amazing birding camera.

 

[bird photo nerd]

Tell me, is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' because everyone has the same size hands as you do, because everyone holds things the same way as you do, or both?

Is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' to sit in a chair when eating a meal, as opposed to sitting on a cushion on a floor? Is it 'objectively better, ergonomically' for a kitchen counter to be 91 cm / 36" from the floor?

Sorry, but better for you is not objective in any way, nor is it universal. There's a reason office/task chairs are adjustable, as a very simple example. Ergonomics are a very personal thing.

You make some good points, so I'd like to amend my statement to reflect the good points you made:

Unless you have hands like a 5 year old, the positioning of the joystick/thumbwheel on the R7 is objectively better.

Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[HusbandofaFilipina]

This article is poring cold water on major upgrades. However. What about the statement of “going up market”?

 

[blackcoffee17]

The R7 should have been an R5 with the best possible APS-C sensor. Same body, same ergonomics.

 

[AccipiterQ]

This article is poring cold water on major upgrades. However. What about the statement of “going up market”?

I'm not sure I read the same article.....The R7 is basically a 90D, if that. An R7 that's a mini-R1 would be a massive upgrade.....

 

[tomcat]

No noisy/hammering shutter sound is a must. And, of course not such an awful rolling shutter.
An bigger EVF screen would be welcome too.

 

[neuroanatomist]

You make some good points, so I'd like to amend my statement to reflect the good points you made:

Unless you have hands like a 5 year old, the positioning of the joystick/thumbwheel on the R7 is objectively better.

Thanks for setting me straight.

Thanks so much for clarifying your thoughts on the matter. They align well with the age you mention. I will point out that my hands are sufficiently large that I find using a body style like the R5II or R7 uncomfortable for more than casual use, which is why my primary camera is the R1 (and before that the R3 and 1D X, and before that I used an accessory grip on 5- and 7-series bodies). For me, the position of the joysticks on the R1 is right where my thumb naturally rests (between the multicontroller and the smart controller), so it's definitely not objectively worse, ergonomically.

I'll also point out that the thumbwheels and joysticks on the R7 (transparent green below) and R5II are pretty much identically placed relative to the 'natural' resting position of the thumb, so I'm really not even sure what your point is or why you believe that the joystick/thumbwheel position on bodies other than the R7 is inferior.



Perhaps you are referring to the control dial around the Set button? I can understand the sentiment that it's not ideally placed for a thumb control. Of course, the 'ergonomically superior' R7 doesn't have a dial there at all, it only has a D-pad. On the bodies like the 1-, 5- and 6-series that control dial is literally the 3rd wheel.

 

[AlanF]

Thanks so much for clarifying your thoughts on the matter. They align well with the age you mention. I will point out that my hands are sufficiently large that I find using a body style like the R5II or R7 uncomfortable for more than casual use, which is why my primary camera is the R1 (and before that the R3 and 1D X, and before that I used an accessory grip on 5- and 7-series bodies). For me, the position of the joysticks on the R1 is right where my thumb naturally rests (between the multicontroller and the smart controller), so it's definitely not objectively worse, ergonomically.

I'll also point out that the thumbwheels and joysticks on the R7 (transparent green below) and R5II are pretty much identically placed relative to the 'natural' resting position of the thumb, so I'm really not even sure what your point is or why you believe that the joystick/thumbwheel position on bodies other than the R7 is inferior.

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Perhaps you are referring to the control dial around the Set button? I can understand the sentiment that it's not ideally placed for a thumb control. Of course, the 'ergonomically superior' R7 doesn't have a dial there at all, it only has a D-pad. On the bodies like the 1-, 5- and 6-series that control dial is literally the 3rd wheel.

The R5 fits perfectly in my hand so I'll be careful about shaking hands with you when we meet up.

 

[scyrene]

I always wonder when rumours of a higher specked R7 come round, what's in it for Canon? Feels like wishful thinking to get a "baby R1". But then, if they did something like that originally, it must have made sense to them. So then why did they go downmarket later? All very confusing.

 

[AlanF]

I always wonder when rumours of a higher specked R7 come round, what's in it for Canon? Feels like wishful thinking to get a "baby R1". But then, if they did something like that originally, it must have made sense to them. So then why did they go downmarket later? All very confusing.

My R7 is highly specked after 3 years hard use.