Canon EOS R7 V & Canon EOS R7 Mark II Coming in 2025?

[P-visie]

EOS R10 also supports RF-s VR lenses.

You are wrong, per DPReview:

• RF-S 3.9mm F3.5 STM Dual Fisheye: The APS-C lens is compatible with the Canon EOS R7 camera
• RF-S 7.8mm F4 STM Dual: The RF-S 7.8mm F4 STM Dual is compatible with the EOS R7 running firmware 1.60.

Edit: Or Canon’s VR recording guide: “RF-S3.9mm F3.5 STM DUAL FISHEYE and RF-S7.8mm F4 STM DUAL lenses can be used with the following cameras.

• EOS R7 (firmware ver. 1.6.0 or later)”

 

[john1970]

I wonder what Canon means by a R7Mk2 as a min-R1. Maybe something along the lines of the Fuji X-H2S which retails for $2500 in the US? Would be an interesting camera, but it would have to be compatible with a vertical grip for me to be remotely interested.

 

[blackcoffee17]

So why create an R7V and another \"normal version\"? Why not a single verion with an optional fan accessory or built in fan and max out the video features?

 

[CanonGrunt]

I like my M50-cameras very much. Easy to use, good IQ, good FHD videos.
An M50 iii with 4k video including full sensor usage and current AF would be a burner with the glorious EF-M 32 1.4!

I love that lens.

 

[Tom W]

I've been pretty happy with my R7. Yes, it could use a few improvements and I wish it exactly mimicked the operating features/functions of the R5, but it's good.

If they're to upgrade it, I would hope that they keep the high pixel density (that's why I use my R7 really) and concentrate on improvements to other features and speed of operation. I'd like to see improvements in raw noise at higher ISO settings, though I know that the laws of physics dictate how much improvement can be had (it'd be pretty small, most likely, but every little bit helps).

We'll see what happens. There have been some advances in AF, readout speed, and that kind of thing since the 32.5 mpx APS-C chip came into existence.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I was wondering about that the price point of the "up market going camera". According to digitalkamera.de the EOS 7dmkii was introduced in November 2014 with a retail price of 1.619 € in Germany. In comparison, the R7 was released in June 2022 with a retail price of 1.499 €. I always felt the R7 - I owned it briefly for three months and now my father-in-law owns it) was a good camera with a great value for its price point, but it was kind a "not here (90d) or here" (7dmkii) replacement.

Maybe, in order to hit the price point the R7 lost some features and/ or hardware parts which one had expected from it or which it needed to be more like a mini R1.

So, if the camera goes "upmarket" and becomes more like the spiritual predecessor, it probably will be more expansive. I can´t imagine the camera eclipsing the 2k price point though because that would be a mark up. If Canon takes the 7dmkii price point and adds 10-20% it should hit around 1.780 € and 1.942 €. So, my guess is 1.899 € with cash back bringing it to down to 1.749 €.

 

[Ian K]

I’m not sure what planet the 7D was a mini R1. It was always the small sensor version of the 5D series. The button layout was even virtually identical the 5D. They even shared batteries.

 

[AlanF]

I was wondering about that the price point of the "up market going camera". According to digitalkamera.de the EOS 7dmkii was introduced in November 2014 with a retail price of 1.619 € in Germany. In comparison, the R7 was released in June 2022 with a retail price of 1.499 €. I always felt the R7 - I owned it briefly for three months and now my father-in-law owns it) was a good camera with a great value for its price point, but it was kind a "not here (90d) or here" (7dmkii) replacement.

Maybe, in order to hit the price point the R7 lost some features and/ or hardware parts which one had expected from it or which it needed to be more like a mini R1.

So, if the camera goes "upmarket" and becomes more like the spiritual predecessor, it probably will be more expansive. I can´t imagine the camera eclipsing the 2k price point though because that would be a mark up. If Canon takes the 7dmkii price point and adds 10-20% it should hit around 1.780 € and 1.942 €. So, my guess is 1.899 € with cash back bringing it to down to 1.749 €.

The Nikon D500, which was very popular with birders and equivalent to a next-generation of 7Dii, was released in 2016 for $2000.

 

[AlanF]

I’m not sure what planet the 7D was a mini R1. It was always the small sensor version of the 5D series. The button layout was even virtually identical the 5D.

I presume you made a typo of R1 for 1D. The 7D was a leap forward for an APS-C. Released in 2009, a year after the 5Dii, it did 8 fps RAW compared with the 3.9 for the 5Dii. That is pretty close to the 10 fps of the 1D iv released in the same year, and so designed for action shots. It was that fps combined with a pro-rugged body that made some describe it as a mini 1D. It was very nice to use alongside the 5Diii with the same button layout, unlike the R7 and R5.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I presume you made a typo of R1 for 1D. The 7D was a leap forward for an APS-C. Released in 2009, a year after the 5Dii, it did 8 fps RAW compared with the 3.9 for the 5Dii. That is pretty close to the 10 fps of the 1D iv released in the same year, and so designed for action shots. It was that fps combined with a pro-rugged body that made some describe it as a mini 1D. It was very nice to use alongside the 5Diii with the same button layout, unlike the R7 and R5.

I get the theory. As someone who used the combination of a 7D and 5DII before switching to a 1D X, I can say that the 7D felt far more like a fast 5-series than a mini 1-series. I think that probably would have felt even more true after the 5DIII came out with the AF sensor from the 1D X.

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

I wonder what Canon means by a R7Mk2 as a min-R1. Maybe something along the lines of the Fuji X-H2S which retails for $2500 in the US? Would be an interesting camera, but it would have to be compatible with a vertical grip for me to be remotely interested.

To be an authentic "baby" of the flagship it would have to be similar to how the Nikon D500 was a baby D5. The D500, to me, was THE birder camera of its day. Nearly same features as the D1 except it was APS and didn't have a built-in grip. So I would expect R1/R3 build quality, an available grip, R1 AF speed and accuracy, virtually no rolling shutter. It would be nice if GPS was built-in like the R1/R3. I'd be shut up and take my money happy, to see this come to fruition and would expect it to be in the $2500 range.

 

[AlanF]

To be an authentic "baby" of the flagship it would have to be similar to how the Nikon D500 was a baby D5. The D500, to me, was THE birder camera of its day. Nearly same features as the D1 except it was APS and didn't have a built-in grip. So I would expect R1/R3 build quality, an available grip, R1 AF speed and accuracy, virtually no rolling shutter. It would be nice if GPS was built-in like the R1/R3. I'd be shut up and take my money happy, to see this come to fruition and would expect it to be in the $2500 range.

I moved over to Nikon for a while because of the D500 + 500mm f/5.6 PF - still an awesome combination. However, I must admit I preferred the D850, which I then bought. I will buy a R7ii if it is good, but I do like full frame as there are so many occasions for BIF that I capture my best image on the edge of the frame.

 

[ShowMeTheEagles]

I moved over to Nikon for a while because of the D500 + 500mm f/5.6 PF - still an awesome combination. However, I must admit I preferred the D850, which I then bought. I will buy a R7ii if it is good, but I do like full frame as there are so many occasions for BIF that I capture my best image on the edge of the frame.

100%. The R5 was and the R5 2, now, is my "go to" camera. But I like having both FF and APS for max flexibility -- IF the APS body can handle the rigors of BIF photography , which was my problem with the R7 and why I just sold it. So, yeah, finger crossed the R7 2 takes it up a notch or two.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

This is welcome news, along with the rumoured R6mk3, we are looking at a very interesting year for us Canon RF users.
I can see both a R6iii and a R7 being added to my camera bag this year, while keeping my existing R6ii for non ES work / slightly cleaner files

 

[masterpix]

We have been told Canon plans to release two versions of the next Canon EOS R7. One will be video-focused, perhaps called the Canon EOS R7 V, and the other photography-focused. The EOS R7 Mark II will potentiall be something like a baby EOS R1 with an APS-C sensor.

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the R7 needs a bit, how to say, argonometric re-design. The 7D and the 5D/1D were very similar in argonometric design, the R7 looks very differnt from the R5/R3/R1 in that aspect.

 

[neuroanatomist]

the R7 needs a bit, how to say, argonometric re-design.

That would make it a very noble camera.

I know @AlanF gets me.

 

[Ian K]

I think most would be happy with a R5 Mark II duplicate with more fps. Identical control layout, LP-E6P battery and all the advantages of the R5ii. Especially the blackout free view finder, stacked fast readout sensor and the ability to keep up with the tracking / AF.

I don’t particularly care if it has the coolings slots of the R5ii if the video version is split, but it may as well so the R5ii grips could be used.

 

[AlanF]

That would make it a very noble camera.

I know @AlanF gets me.

Also designed for Jason and his crew.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I get the theory. As someone who used the combination of a 7D and 5DII before switching to a 1D X, I can say that the 7D felt far more like a fast 5-series than a mini 1-series. I think that probably would have felt even more true after the 5DIII came out with the AF sensor from the 1D X.

Back in the day, the 5DII users were bitching "all day" that the camera had an amazing sensor, but the rest of the camera was a budget parts bin raid with an AF system from the dark ages. fine for the centre point and recompose...but forget any Servo tracking. Where as the 7D came along with a truely budget sensor (in comparision) but the rest of the camera felt more like what the future 5D series would offer. The sensor had relatively poor DR and iso noise. The 7D's AF system was a lot better than most realised, although limited to 19 points, it was suprisingly good at tracking. It also paved the foundation tech for the 1Dx / 5DIII's 61 point AF system. The 7D's AF system was vastly different to that of the 1D series of the day...however the 1Dx then looked very much like an evolution of the 7D's AF system. I saw the 20D as the furture direction of Canon DSLR's, the 40D was amazing with it's Live View implementation (where I predicted a mirrorless future) and the 7D with it's ground breaking AF system which was a prototype for the future of canon's AF systems going forwards.
I didn't see similar interesting tech in the 7DII....it just seemed to be another stale warm over that canon seems to drop on us every now and then. So I've never bothered with a 1.6x crop camera since. The 7D series was too much of an image quality compromise for me.

The R7 is a really cheap camera at the moment. It's reasonable to suggest and the R7mkII is likely to be the same camera with the R5II AF updates, dual SD cards and a common 5Dii/6Dii user nterface / button array. But with a heaftier bump in price with the original R7 being sold as it's cheaper model.

For me the purchase descision of the R7ii is really dependant on the image quality and bang for buck over my existing cameras. If a R5ii is a better option (with it's really useful 18mp 1.6x crop mode) vs a R6iii and a R7ii. My current R6ii is staying because it's such a sweet camera and might prove to have a few 1st curtain shutter / mechanical shutter, iso / image quality advantages vs the ES cranked speed demon the R6iii is likely to be.
I think if it was starting again on canon and wanted a dedicated camera for wildlife it would be a serious consideration. However, both the R5ii and current R6ii offer a lot already.

 

[AlanF]

Back in the day, the 5DII users were bitching "all day" that the camera had an amazing sensor, but the rest of the camera was a budget parts bin raid with an AF system from the dark ages. fine for the centre point and recompose...but forget any Servo tracking. Where as the 7D came along with a truely budget sensor (in comparision) but the rest of the camera felt more like what the future 5D series would offer. The sensor had relatively poor DR and iso noise. The 7D's AF system was a lot better than most realised, although limited to 19 points, it was suprisingly good at tracking. It also paved the foundation tech for the 1Dx / 5DIII's 61 point AF system. The 7D's AF system was vastly different to that of the 1D series of the day...however the 1Dx then looked very much like an evolution of the 7D's AF system. I saw the 20D as the furture direction of Canon DSLR's, the 40D was amazing with it's Live View implementation (where I predicted a mirrorless future) and the 7D with it's ground breaking AF system which was a prototype for the future of canon's AF systems going forwards.
I didn't see similar interesting tech in the 7DII....it just seemed to be another stale warm over that canon seems to drop on us every now and then. So I've never bothered with a 1.6x crop camera since. The 7D series was too much of an image quality compromise for me.

The R7 is a really cheap camera at the moment. It's reasonable to suggest and the R7mkII is likely to be the same camera with the R5II AF updates, dual SD cards and a common 5Dii/6Dii user nterface / button array. But with a heaftier bump in price with the original R7 being sold as it's cheaper model.

For me the purchase descision of the R7ii is really dependant on the image quality and bang for buck over my existing cameras. If a R5ii is a better option (with it's really useful 18mp 1.6x crop mode) vs a R6iii and a R7ii. My current R6ii is staying because it's such a sweet camera and might prove to have a few 1st curtain shutter / mechanical shutter, iso / image quality advantages vs the ES cranked speed demon the R6iii is likely to be.
I think if it was starting again on canon and wanted a dedicated camera for wildlife it would be a serious consideration. However, both the R5ii and current R6ii offer a lot already.

The AF on the 7Dii was much better than on the 7D. For example, I found the 7D struggled to focus with EF 300mm f/2.8 ii with the 2x TC at f/5.6 whereas the 7Dii is lightning fast. The 7D autofocussed only to f/5.6, whereas the 7Dii to f/8. The 7D has 19 AF points, while 7D Mark II has 65 AF points.