Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

[bendilts]

I have the R5 for a mixture of birding and general family/kid-sports/vacation photography. For those asking "why are people excited about the R5ii if this is all we got with the R1?", here's what I'm hoping for with an R5ii:

• Modest increase in resolution
• Less rolling-shutter effect
• Better dynamic range, especially on electronic shutter
• Better autofocus (holding out hope for eye-tracking, but I admit it seems unlikely)
• Please oh please for the love of god just give me two CF slots so I can have redundancy and also fast write speeds

Quite a lot of those see action in this list of specs, so I'm hoping they trickle down to the R5 in a year's time. I don't need 100MP, or 8k-240hz video, or any other "revolutionary" change. The R5 is currently fantastic. I just want the rough edges that currently bother me to be fixed.

 

[Vilacom]

Many bird photographers want a weatherproof body with a large battery that can move big primes quickly. We photograph small birds from long distances and crop substantially. It's not just getting a high megapixel camera. It's simply getting a legit camera that can match what other companies offer. Canon still doesn't have a camera that can compare to the Z9, and that's a two year old camera. They basically put out a R3 MK2. Point me to a camera in the Canon lineup that has a pro body with the ergonomics and weatherproofing of 1-series and has 45 mpx (which is not even considered excessive in 2024). Why be an apologist and insist that no one wants or needs a camera similar to the Z9 which was a game changer for Nikon, the same way the 5D MK2 was a game changer for Canon over a decade ago.

I’m asking a legit question here, my experience with birding is just a few shots with my R5 and its not something I ever do seriously.

Isn’t the entire point of crop sensors(which to my knowledge have never been adapted to the pro/1 series style bodies) to get far more effective pixels on a subject than basically any available flagship camera out there? Like the R7 is the FF equivalent of something like 80+ megapixels?

Clearly the R1 was never going to be anything close to that, nor is anything else available on the market including the Z9, is it just the weatherproofing and the grip? Both pretty easy to add to just about any available camera(admittedly the weatherproofing is just a camera raincoat which is kind of annoying to keep around, but probably more effective than just about any form of weather sealing)

 

[john1970]

I do find it mildly ironic that here on the Canon forums some people wished that the camera had more pixels similar to the Z9 while on the Nikon forums some people wished the Nikon Z9 had fewer pixels for better high ISO without having to downsample the image.

 

[Maximilian]

... that Canon always under delivers. ...

I said it before:

What tool for what purpose?
Different purposes, different tools.

I suppose Canon did listen to the customers they were developing the R1 for very well: sports and other journalists.
Just because this spec list doesn't fulfil your desires (or needs at all) it doesn't mean that Canon "under delivers".
And if Canon "always" did, they would have lost market share, because they didn't fulfil the needs of their customers.
So if the Z9 is "your tool" go and buy "your tool" that delivers.

 

[USMarineCorpsVet]

If you don't like an R5 or anything else that Canon offers, feel free to jump boat, buy a Z9 and be happy.
I do birding, too. I have a R6m2 with "poor" 24 MP and feel so happy with it, I couldn't feel better.
(Except for that R1 sensor - maybe )

Thanks. I was waiting for your approval to jump ship . My point was simply that Canon doesn't offer a comparative camera to the Z9. The R5 isn't comparable. Why not validate that fact instead of telling me "I'm free to leave" or "no one needs more than 30 mpx"?Really, it's shouldn't be seen as heresy for pointing out that Canon has no offering in that camera "niche". A pro body with weatherproofing, ergonomics and larger battery with 45 mpx doesn't exist in the Canon lineup. That's a fact.

 

[birdman916]

The GOOD: I'm very glad the RUMOR is that global shutter isn't part of the package. Image quality matters more than anything and, if Sony is any indication, global shutter isn't ready to provide that.

The BAD: This seems like a pretty small step up from the R3. It's about what I would expect an R3ii to be. Perhaps this is verification that the R3 was really the R1, then was renamed at the last minute. Great camera . . but for birds, we need more than 24MP . . . or even 30MP.

I’m also a birder and was thinking the same thing. I’m itching to buy a new camera or lens before I go to COsta Rica in May but I think I should be patient and wait for r5markii

 

[neuroanatomist]

There was not an R5 before.
Also, if Sony can do 50 MP then why can't Canon?

There was a 5Ds at 50 MP before there was a 1D X II or a 1D X III. Canon could. Why should they?

 

[USMarineCorpsVet]

I’m asking a legit question here, my experience with birding is just a few shots with my R5 and its not something I ever do seriously.

Isn’t the entire point of crop sensors(which to my knowledge have never been adapted to the pro/1 series style bodies) to get far more effective pixels on a subject than basically any available flagship camera out there? Like the R7 is the FF equivalent of something like 80+ megapixels?

Clearly the R1 was never going to be anything close to that, nor is anything else available on the market including the Z9, is it just the weatherproofing and the grip? Both pretty easy to add to just about any available camera(admittedly the weatherproofing is just a camera raincoat which is kind of annoying to keep around, but probably more effective than just about any form of weather sealing)

Crop sensors have mediocre IQ, low light performance and dynamic range. They don't compare to full frame sensors and the camera bodies that they are in never have the same af performance and are hardly weatherproof or have a battery big enough to move big telephoto primes, some of which have two motors that smaller batteries can't take advantage of. A battery grip doesn't change that. FYI, Canon doesn't even make a battery grip for the R7! Seriously, a 45 mpx sensor in a flagship camera isn't asking for much...

 

[Maximilian]

"I'm free to leave"

This statement is correct.

or "no one needs more than 30 mpx"

This isn't! And additionally, I didn't say that.
I only said that Canon decided (together with the dedicated customers) that an R1 doesn't need more than 30 MP.

It seems that you decided, that Canon has to design an R1 according to your needs, including 30 MP are not enough.
And maybe a lot of others think that way, too.
But it seems that Canon has knowledge of markets so that they decided that the R1 will sell even better with a 30 MP sensor than with more MP.
Maybe because it is just enough, maybe because it makes the workflow of those journalists faster (time is money), maybe just because DR and sensor IQ is just better, or the readout is faster, so rolling shutter is no issue that way.

And don't forget:
We're talking over a [CR2] rumour and not a Canon press release.

Really, it's shouldn't be seen as heresy for pointing out that Canon has no offering in that camera "niche". A pro body with weatherproofing, ergonomics and larger battery with 45 mpx doesn't exist in the Canon lineup. That's a fact.

Feel free to complain about whatever you like.
Right now, I think there are more important things to complain about.
Things that I cannot change.
But if a tool doesn't work for me, I can change that by buying a better tool - for my purposes.
That doesn't mean, it's THE better tool for you or a sports journalist.

 

[Fbimages]

As a wildlife photographer you should probably understand it's not always possible to get closer to your wildlife subject.

Absolutely! But I never make print grade photographs from overly cropped frames. I think it's great for ID purposes or just survey work but I only see resolution as a way to print bigger, not to get in closer to my subject. Nothing wrong with being a bit far, I am big fan of wildlife photos that include the environment.

 

[neuroanatomist]

The industry is changing a little more rapidly than it has when you had these small incremental advances. The fact remains that Canon will not have a comparable camera to compete with the A1 and Z9. And this is what they produce two years behind their competition. The "master of everything"? Hardly. Very disappointing. Canon cripple hammer strikes again!

Yet still behind the competition who put out better offerings over two years ago...

The fact remains that Canon holds nearly 50% of the camera market. The fact remains that Nikon lost a lot of market share to Sony, while Canon maintained their dominance of the market.

No one cares who is ahead or behind in your head...only the real world matters.

 

[Deleted member 383640]

Crop sensors have mediocre IQ, low light performance and dynamic range. They don't compare to full frame sensors and the camera bodies that they are in never have the same af performance and are hardly weatherproof or have a battery big enough to move big telephoto primes, some of which have two motors that smaller batteries can't take advantage of. A battery grip doesn't change that. FYI, Canon doesn't even make a battery grip for the R7! Seriously, a 45 mpx sensor in a flagship camera isn't asking for much...

You made your point. Go with Nikon or Sony. Canon fails in your opinion - fair enough.

 

[neuroanatomist]

They sell a lot of consumer cameras. What they don't sell is a true flagship that matches their competition.

True, and as they've said the R3 is not their flagship. The R1 will be. Canon does not have to match the competition, they have to make cameras that buyers purchase. Since they dominate the market, Sony and Nikon have to do something that Canon isn't doing, to try and pull market share away from the leader. They've failed, so far.

I mean, clearly Sony and Nikon have won the battle in your mind. You just need to come to grip with the fact that what goes on in your mind is irrelevant to the real world.

 

[john1970]

But if a tool doesn't work for me, I can change that by buying a better tool - for my purposes.
That doesn't mean, it's THE better tool for you or a sports journalist.

This is a very good point. Cameras and lens are tools. There is no reason why someone has to use only one brand for their needs.

I know of a wildlife photographer who shoots primarily Canon, but recently purchased the Nikon 800 PF lens and Z8 for the lighter weight and reach.

For wildlife photographer wanting low weight the PF / DO lenses are very beneficial. .

 

[Deleted member 383640]

This is a very good point. Cameras and lens are tools. There is no reason why someone has to use only one brand for their needs.

I know of a wildlife photographer who shoots primarily Canon, but recently purchased the Nikon 800 PF lens and Z8 for the lighter weight and reach.

For wildlife photographer wanting low weight the PF / DO lenses are very beneficial. .

Yes, that's a good example - take what works for you. I, for example, don't even like having two types of batteries, let alone two completely different systems, but that's me and my way of working, my needs, my limitations, if I must say so.

 

[Pixel]

More and more...I'm thinking the R3 originally WAS the R1....and Canon thought it wasn't up to flagship compared to competition, so they relabeled it R3...and waited for this iteration of the R1 line.

Just my $0.02,

cayenne

No way. It doesn't have dual CF Express card slots and it goes against their 4 year pro cam cycle which has been consistent forever.

 

[neuroanatomist]

This was a quote from a Canon executive. It's been widely reported by the media https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r1-is-coming-here-are-a-few-things-to-expect/

"A source" told Canon Rumors that (in 2021), and PetaPixel, DPR and some YouTubers picked it up. On what basis do you attribute that quote to a Canon executive? You tried playing the telephone game, and you lost.

 

[koenkooi]

Yes, that's a good example - take what works for you. I, for example, don't even like having two types of batteries, let alone two completely different systems, but that's me and my way of working, my needs, my limitations, if I must say so.

For me, having in-camera USB-C PD charging made the battery situation a lot more tolerable.

 

[Bahrd]

Few have ever complained about mechanical shutters with curtains, even though they are also just rolling shutters. Now that we will (maybe) have a rolling shutter four times (and more) faster than the usual mechanical rolling shutter with curtains, we have the complainers again.

Haters gonna hate. I would welcome a sync speed of faster than 1/1000 s.

I must admit, I feel a little bit shaken (but hardly surprised...). I am from an engineering camp, interested mainly in technical virtues of the equipment (and, by the way, I understand pretty well both limitations and potential of either type of an electronic shutter in photography and in industrial applications). If the stuff has a Canon label, it's nice, if it is from Sony, it's cool, if it is Nikon, it's great too. It's really simple...

 

[frankchn]

No way. It doesn't have dual CF Express card slots and it goes against their 4 year pro cam cycle which has been consistent forever.

Not the first time a 1 Series camera didn't have matched fast card slots. The 1DX2 had a CFast slot and a plain CF slot.