Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

[Quarkcharmed]

Target market, “…for the R1,” was implied. Or maybe you’re suggesting that jumping into a new system starting with a camera costing $6K+ is common?

I have no idea how common it is in terms of the percentages (Canon knows better) but it definitely happens. There's multiple categories of target users (loyal customers, new customers, customers coming from other brands etc.) and the very point of the market competition is to pull more users on your side, including from the rivals. Especially that matters when the market itself is shrinking.

Apart from professionals, there's actually many advanced enthusiasts with large deep pockets.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

The thick plottens!


Video released yesterday.

But this guy provided even less information than this CR2 rumour in question. Short summary: "canonrumors is unreliable, and I may provide you with a more reliable rumor... one day".
Speculations about speculations, the second derivative...

 

[danfaz]

But this guy provided even less information than this CR2 rumour in question. Short summary: "canonrumors is unreliable, and I may provide you with a more reliable rumor... one day".
Speculations about speculations, the second derivative...

He said the Weibo dude was unreliable, not CR.
It adds to the mystery.

 

[DhlcadR6]

Sony's equivalent of DPP is Imaging Edge, not C1 Express for Sony

Imaging Edge Desktop | Creators' Cloud

creatorscloud.sony.net

Yes, Sony had an arrangement with C1 which gave Sony users (not sure if it applied to all Sony cameras or just some though) Capture One Express for Sony and allowed then to buy Capture One Pro for Sony at a lower price than buying ordinary Capture One Pro. That was and is separate from Imaging Edge though. So, I don't think Sony's approach is very different from Canon's.

Imaging Edge is even worse than DPP4. Sony did a brilliant job.... How can Canon compete... Canon is dooooommmed

 

[Quarkcharmed]

He said the Weibo dude was unreliable, not CR.
It adds to the mystery.

Yeah that's right, he actually stung the Weibo guy. Maybe he's on Canonrumors right here in this thread so he didn't want to attack the place he visits himself.

 

[David - Sydney]

That is not the point, lower power consumption + faster processing are achieved, but you cannot make the silicon wafer width zero! As you approach zero with thinner and thinner wafer sizes the gains diminish -> that is the point. I have an M1 Max Macbook Pro, not a lot of difference in real world applications use e.g. processing video in FCP between a 64GB M1 max and a 64GB (or higher) M3 Max.

From the bench tests, it looks like there isn't a huge increase from M2 to M3 but significant from M1 to M3 (I have a M1 pro max as well).

From the initial transistor size to today appear to be zero from the Bell Labs perspective. If there are no benefits (cost/performance/power) then there wouldn't be any incentive to build multi-billion dollar new fabs. Big R&D funding for smaller chips but also for architecture. As you know the Apple Mx SoC achieved real benefits for fast memory on-chip. Reducing the distance reduces power and enables higher speeds.

Real world application? I went from a 2014 specced up MBpro to a M1 pro max when I got my R5. The older machine still worked fine but was pretty slow with the bigger file sizes. I couldn't go back and most of the performance improvements was in small line width lithography plus architecture like more cores etc.

 

[Objective!]

Why? Who is Canon’s target market – Sony and Nikon users, or Canon users? Do you think lots of people with high end gear jump around from one brand to another?

Both. I think each Brand should Always think to target its own customers without ignoring what the other users want.
If you only want to keep your customers you may become the New Kodak.
If you only want to conquer New customers you loose your values, your personality and may loose all your basis...

 

[Objective!]

It should be very clear to everyone in this forum that Canon's target market is all of the above. As is Sony's. As is Nikon's. This is simple Business 101. Success or failure over the long term happens at the margins, gaining or losing customers, sales, and profitability. Especially with these high end products that drive additional sales (lenses) small changes in customer count can drive large changes in profitability.

Fully agree with your excellent analysis.

 

[Del Paso]

The thick plottens!


Video released yesterday.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Toamelicious]

Almost at 500 answers right now. Maybe canon just wanted to help out with ad money and decided to spread some rumour about the R1 resolution, so we'd all go nuts.
I for one would actually appreciate canon not ever releasing a R1 and call it a flagship, so this discussion about flagship cameras comes to a stop. These things are tools. Tools that can do everything a craftsman needs, usually don't do anything really well. I'd much prefer the camera lineup to consist of a bunch of well made, capable cameras for different needs, than a super expensive Topline camera, that needs the other tools to be worse in their respective line of work, so people can call it a flagship.

 

[koenkooi]

Almost at 500 answers right now. Maybe canon just wanted to help out with ad money and decided to spread some rumour about the R1 resolution, so we'd all go nuts.
I for one would actually appreciate canon not ever releasing a R1 and call it a flagship, so this discussion about flagship cameras comes to a stop. These things are tools. Tools that can do everything a craftsman needs, usually don't do anything really well. I'd much prefer the camera lineup to consist of a bunch of well made, capable cameras for different needs, than a super expensive Topline camera, that needs the other tools to be worse in their respective line of work, so people can call it a flagship.

That sounds very much like a false dilemma: either an R1 and no other usable cameras or a bunch of usable cameras, but no R1.

 

[Del Paso]

Almost at 500 answers right now. Maybe canon just wanted to help out with ad money and decided to spread some rumour about the R1 resolution, so we'd all go nuts.
I for one would actually appreciate canon not ever releasing a R1 and call it a flagship, so this discussion about flagship cameras comes to a stop. These things are tools. Tools that can do everything a craftsman needs, usually don't do anything really well. I'd much prefer the camera lineup to consist of a bunch of well made, capable cameras for different needs, than a super expensive Topline camera, that needs the other tools to be worse in their respective line of work, so people can call it a flagship.

The R1, like all other "1" series Canon cameras, were never meant to be Jacks of all trades by Canon.
Don't mistake the Internet's, the influencers', the trolls' or the non-users' expectations to conform with Canon's intention.
Canon do not care about non-users' wishes, they cater to professionals with this camera.
Canon's flagship definition is an extremely rugged durable camera meeting the pro's demands. Nothing else.
Just let the Internet or us, forum members, debate upon what this camera should have.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

And yet, we see (if rumors are correct) very different products in the same price range. If they were all targeting the same buyers, wouldn't we likely see a convergence in design and the competition be focused on MSRP?

Why does Sony not offer integrated vertical grip on its flagships, while Canon and Nikon do? Are they targeting the same buyer, or are they targeting buyers with different priorities?

Canon may have one ear on the competion in the top tier pro DSLR market but it will be a very quiet voice compared to their own internal build manual or the market research from their loyal professional goto's, who advise Canon on their gear directions.
So if the competition dives of the Pro 50+ mp cliff but Canon's pro advisors say...actually really really don't need that kind of resolution at the moment. I think 30mp is fine...then it's easy to see which direction Canon will go in. Canon know their market and they aslo know which pro's to go to to get well seasoned and trusted user case scenario advice from.
The high MP brigade is a niche market, the 5DIII was the clearest indicated of this. The 5DIII sold way more units than the 5Ds/r. If you need high MP, there's the R5 or R5ii (coming). I can't see any potential R1 users saying "It's an amazing camera but I really could do with more MP".

Personally, I have no need of a R3 or and R1. But then again, I don't shoot sports, news, war and I'm not a paparazi.
Wild life, birds, lanscapes, people, weddings and events. No sand, dust, tropical forrests, fighter planes, bomb shells, bullets, IED's or anything that requires a build level higher than an R5/R6/R7/R8. Your milage might vary.....

 

[koenkooi]

[…]The high MP brigade is a niche market, the 5DIII was the clearest indicated of this. The 5DIII sold way more units than the 5Ds/r.[…]

The 5Ds series also suffered from internet bad press about being hard to use. That kind of resolution in a mirrorslapper requires actual technique and letting go of 1-over-focallength.
Something the APS-C crowd had already discovered

 

[neuroanatomist]

No sand, dust, tropical forrests, fighter planes, bomb shells, bullets, IED's or anything that requires a build level higher than an R5/R6/R7/R8. Your milage might vary.....

Not for me, either. But I use heavy lenses, and I find the integrated grip bodies much more comfortable to hold.

 

[eosbob]

It never was mirrorless either...

And the 1 series started out as a film camera too.

 

[Anon]

Don't mistake the Internet's, the influencers', the trolls' or the non-users' expectations to conform with Canon's intention.
Canon do not care about non-users' wishes, they cater to professionals with this camera.

Hot take: influencers are also professionals, since they earn their money with cameras - just not in the "traditional" sense.

Anyway, I think it would be dangerous for any company to ignore influencers and their power to sway consumers` opinions. I would guess that many new photographers use YouTube, Instagram and TikTok to get their newest updates on cameras rather than the more traditional mediums such as forums, magazines or websites.

(For example I would bet that the average age in this forum does not represent the average age of working professionals*.
*working professionals being sports, wedding, event, nature, family photographers etc. pretty much everyone selling the pictures for money)

 

[Goldfinch2]

I'll be blunt... a global shutter is stupid for a photography focused camera. A couple of legitimate NFL Sony pros I know feel the same way. It's great for the YouTube/Grifter crowd though.

I totally agree. This is a camera for Pro's who need a fast camera, which will work reliable under extreme circumstances like cold and harsh weather conditions, low light, etc. and if course great image quality.

 

[Sporgon]

Anyway, I think it would be dangerous for any company to ignore influencers and their power to sway consumers` opinions.

I believe that recent Canon releases would prove you are right.
Most photographers don’t want to make their pictures look like cartoons (bad HDR) or under expose by six stops. However, I’m sure the incessant beating of the DR drum has influenced Canon into making damn sure their cameras beat all opposition in dynamic range, even if it meant baking in subtle noise reduction to the deepest lowlights, which is what they’ve done.
The strange thing is, now Canon have the highest low iso DR, it doesn’t seem to be as important anymore !

 

[Quarkcharmed]

I believe that recent Canon releases would prove you are right.
Most photographers don’t want to make their pictures look like cartoons (bad HDR) or under expose by six stops.

If you imply high DR sensor is needed to underexpose by six stops or produce "bad HDR", that'd be completely wrong. A high dynamic range sensor is needed to capture high dynamic range scenes, it's pretty simple. Higher dynamic range sensor means coverage of wider range of shooting scenarios.