Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

Of course, Canon could try to make a 60+ MP camera "fast", but the main crowd of sports and other photo journalists need a fast workflow to get their photos on time to the agencies. Because the first one with a good photo will earn the most money, not the one with the best and highest resolution but processed one hour after the headlines appear on the internet.

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Many of whom are no longer getting directly (or even indirectly) paid to be there. ...
Maybe in the US. In Europe, esp. here in Germany you are only allowed to get such gear inside the stadium, when you have an accreditation.
And those are not not simply distributed to the crowd. At higher league soccer games it is not allowed to take anything with you bigger than a P&S.
 
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wrt R/RP as stopgap bodies - I see them as Canon’s first foray into FF MILC as development bodies: (1) to develop the new tech like EVF, IBIS etc., and (2) a platform to get new shorter flange distance RF mount glass out the door. Number (2) was vastly more important than (1) imho

Your (2) looks a LOT like what I think most of us mean when we refer to the R and RP as stopgap bodies.
 
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Maybe in the US. In Europe, esp. here in Germany you are only allowed to get such gear inside the stadium, when you have an accreditation.
And those are not not simply distributed to the crowd. At higher league soccer games it is not allowed to take anything with you bigger than a P&S.
For concerts and festivals you can get a press pass, as a hobbyist, if you know the right people.
That won’t get you into ‘the pit’ where the professionals all take the same picture during the 5-10 minutes they are allowed to be there.
So it will be mostly ‘environmental’ pictures :)
I did spot some professionals with RF100-500L lenses taking pictures from further away last summer, they wanted to avoid taking the exact same picture all the people in the pit were taking.
 
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I've been using DPP for 20 nearly years (purchased a 10D in March 2004) and if there's two things I'd like to have fixed and would increase the usability of the DPP immensely would be:
  1. Raw file loading time. Even if they cannot figure it out themselves, go buy/license the engine from FastRawViewer.
  2. File export time. An export and conversion to jpeg takes 30sec/image.

Processing time depends a lot on the machine you're using to do it.

In 2022 I built a machine specifically to perform doing raw conversion using DPP. It's all about the CPU and memory speeds. GPU has very little to do with it. Canon claims the GPU can be used to generate previews faster, but that check box has been grayed out for me for several years now, even though my GPU meets their published criteria. I rarely use DLO, which will significantly increase the processing time, but DLO does diffraction correction other software does not do so comparing DPP with DLO enabled to other apps that don't do what DLO does is a bit of a mismatch. I do almost always apply CA and Color Blur correction, and distortion correction for wider angle lenses. With an Intel i7-11700K on a Gigabyte Z590 'AORUS Master using DDR-4 @ 3600 it takes around 5-6 second to open and apply selected corrections (lens correction, NR, exposure, contrast/curves, HSL, etc.) to raw files from my 30MP 5D Mark IV. During that 5-6 seconds the image is shown without any NR and any contrast/curves modifications that are different from the in-camera settings at the time it was shot applied. When I batch export them, the average time per image is about the same, around 5-6 seconds per image. My previous machine, built in 2014, was much slower, but it also had much less processing power.

Yes, DPP is still slower than most other apps. It also gives me the precise color control I want that others can't quite manage to give me.
 
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For example: The exposure sliders move in 1/6 stop increments when you click to either side of the marker. But the box to the right of the slider lets me punch in numbers in 0.01 stop increments. +0.17 is slightly too dark and +0.33 is slightly too bright? No problem. I can enter +0.23, +0.24, +0.25, +0.26, +0.27, +0.28, etc. until it's exactly where I want it. It's the same with almost all of the settings.
That's true in DxO PL as well (even Apple Photos lets you adjust the slides in 0.01 unit increments), so not really a differentiator for DPP. What I didn't like about DPP was the workflow, which seemed to me mainly operation driven rather than image driven. In other words, DPP seemed geared toward crop each image in the set, then adjust exposure for each image in the set, etc., whereas most other RAW converters seem geared toward taking one image from start to finish then moving on to the next image. The latter suits my personal needs much better.
 
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I’m not sure that is correct. From my point of view, as a user of 50mp cameras it demonstrates to me the rather huge void between those of us here on the likes of CR that enjoy making images and viewing them at 200% on a 5K monitor, and those who are needing to just make a high quality, sharp, high resolution picture, where the requirement is to just view the whole image, not start picking it apart at 200%. I guess the vast amount of people in the latter group are those that buy 1 series.
If you’re in the latter group 30mp is high resolution.

Believe it or not, many photographers do what they do to get an emotional or intellectual response - or both - from others who view their images displayed as a whole image, rather than to do narcissistic navel gazing at 400% on their ridiculously high resolution monitors of each frame they shoot while sitting alone in their basements!
 
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Combined with the need to print for magazines and large fine art prints.

Funny. How did magazines ever survive when "flagship" cameras were shooting less than 10MP images? How did they actually flourish when camera's all required - GASP - film? I mean, print is doing so much better these days now that we have 50MP images available, aren't they?
 
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That's true in DxO PL as well (even Apple Photos lets you adjust the slides in 0.01 unit increments), so not really a differentiator for DPP. What I didn't like about DPP was the workflow, which seemed to me mainly operation driven rather than image driven. In other words, DPP seemed geared toward crop each image in the set, then adjust exposure for each image in the set, etc., whereas most other RAW converters seem geared toward taking one image from start to finish then moving on to the next image. The latter suits my personal needs much better.

I do everything to each image before moving on to the next. It's trivial to click the different tabs to do it that way.
 
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Upon further reflection . . . it's all about expectations. If you're expecting the R1 to compete with the 1Dx and R3, this is all good news. According to these specs, the R1 should be a step forward. But if you thought Canon might step up and FINALLY compete with the 3-year old Sony a1 . . . well, the rumored specs aren't even trying. We can be disappointed (and I am), but Canon's clearly not worried about that. They're not even pretending to compete with the a1 or the Z9 with this camera. IF the specs are as rumored, the R1 will be the ultimate camera for committed Canon loyalists and those who prefer their images with less resolution. And it's a safe niche! Nobody else is trying to make a 1Dx. Now . . . where does that place a Canon shooter who wants greater resolution and ISN'T blindly committed to the brand? Well . . . either the R5ii steps WAAAAAAAY up to take on the a1 and Z9, or we start anticipating the Sony a1ii announcement. (So . . . when is the a1ii announcement going to happen?) If I'm a professional making images at the Olympics? Given all the options out there, I'm not sure this is the camera I want. The technology has changed. Small images are no longer the virtue they once were.

Sony builds cameras to look best on a spec sheet. Canon builds cameras to take photos that look best on screen or paper.
 
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Call me crazy but when I started seeing a live view of my exposure in the EVF, metering suddenly meant very little to me anymore. ‍

It's all great until you forget to set the screen brightness to match the ambient lighting after shooting in bright daylight, then shooting a concert in a dark venue later that evening.
 
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Are you denying that resolution is relevant? If resolution is irrelevant, the R1 could (and probably should) be a 5MP monster! Why sacrifice anything for extra MP's, if MP's are irrelevant?

All I'm saying is that the R1 (if these are the specs) isn't trying to compete with the a1 and Z9. 30MP is very different than 50MP. They aren't in the same market segments. And yes, surely Canon knows that and made the conscious decision NOT to try to compete with them. They may have made the evaluation that there is a bigger market for 30MP than for 50MP. I'm not sure I agree with that analysis -- after all, you can dumb down an image, but you can't dumb it up. There's nothing wrong with NOT competing with the other brands' flagships. It just indicates the surrender of that niche. If that's a conscious decision, who can argue?

Or maybe Sony & Nikon decided to compete in markets Canon, who sells more cameras than anyone, had decided isn't a fertile enough field for them to expend major resources chasing? That's apparently why Sony went all-in for FF mirrorless in 2013 - because Canon & Nikon weren't in that market segment. Sony's APS-C & FF DSLRs weren't selling well versus Canon's & Nikon's APS-C & FF DSLRs. They had to find a niche the big 2 weren't addressing at that time.
 
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Or maybe Sony & Nikon decided to compete in markets Canon, who sells more cameras than anyone, had decided isn't a fertile enough field for them to expend major resources chasing? That's apparently why Sony went all-in for FF mirrorless in 2013 - because Canon & Nikon weren't in that market segment. Sony's APS-C & FF DSLRs weren't selling well versus Canon's & Nikon's APS-C & FF DSLRs. They had to find a niche the big 2 weren't addressing at that time.
Thanks for trying. Some people will continue to believe that the tail wags the dog, all reason and logic to the contrary.
 
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It's not that simple. The R5 raw files are cooked up to ISO 640 - hence the data points are shown as triangles. Basically Canon applies a mild noise reduction to the shadows which adds about 2/3 of a stop to those dynamic range charts (it also improves the DR shown by DxOMark).
If you check the R3's chart, it'll be cooked through the whole ISO range.
How much of noise reduction is applied exactly is impossible to tell according to Bill Claff himself, so it's just shown in triangles that indicate manipulation.

Does the R5 "eat" stars the way Sony's cameras do, due to on-die NR?
 
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My point is that spatial resolution may be better with more pixels, often improved fine detail in images too, however, only in ideal lighting conditions. With less light, the camera sensor with larger pixels will produce superior images, especially in rendering shadows and darker colors. We rarely have ideal light.

For most genres, master photographers create their own ideal light.
 
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I have no idea how common it is in terms of the percentages (Canon knows better) but it definitely happens. There's multiple categories of target users (loyal customers, new customers, customers coming from other brands etc.) and the very point of the market competition is to pull more users on your side, including from the rivals. Especially that matters when the market itself is shrinking.

Apart from professionals, there's actually many advanced enthusiasts with large deep pockets.

There are far more deep pockets than pros buying high end camera gear. Perhaps there always has been. But in the past the deep pockets followed what the pros were using. "If it's good enough for Walter Ioos, Jr. and Neil Leifer, it's good enough for me." With the collapse of print journalism and the market value of images being pennies on the dollar compared to even 15 years ago, there are no more Iooses and Leifers out there. The deep pockets now are following the Northrups and Fros.
 
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