Canon EOS R1 Specifications [CR2]

[Michael Clark]

(For example I would bet that the average age in this forum does not represent the average age of working professionals*.
*working professionals being sports, wedding, event, nature, family photographers etc. pretty much everyone selling the pictures for money)

* selling photos for enough money to make a sustainable living at it.

Plenty of wannabe pros sell images for less than it cost them to create the images in question. They have to work a real job to support their "professional" photography habit.

 

[neuroanatomist]

No, but lots of people who would never buy any of the above constantly jump around deciding which one they dream they could have.

That explains it. Canon probably bases their market decisions on cameras people will buy, not spec lists or cameras people will dream about.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

On the other hand, some of the most important aspects of a photograph are not so easy to measure: the emotional response it will invoke in each viewer, the story it tells, the historical significance of the event it documents and how well it communicates that, etc...

Yes, and those aspects shouldn't be brought into comparisons of the technical image quality.

If anything, I'd prefer to have an emotional impactful historically significant image of a high resolution, rather than low resolution.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Does the R5 "eat" stars the way Sony's cameras do, due to on-die NR?

No, it doesn't - the NR is mild and only affects deep shadows it seems.

As far as I remember, Sony applied hot pixel removal which resulted in the star eating effect. The R5 actually suffers from the hot pixels, there's too many, they pop at exposures longer than 0.5 seconds.

 

[neuroanatomist]

R1 sensor details leaked (but probably false) - 30 MP, stacked, dual gain, 0.8 ms readout

I highly doubt Adorama was supposed to post the full product listing, but they did (link to product page, but it will probably be edited soon).

www.canonrumors.com

 

[GoldWing]

I cant imagine Canon in the marketing material we got last Tuesday says up to 240fps for still jpegs. Then that 30MP is competitive... and there is no Quad focus. The camera is obsolete before it hits the shelves. What a grave dissapointment for those of you who thought Canon was going to stop the "Drip, Drip, Drip".

 

[john1970]

R1 sensor details leaked (but probably false) - 30 MP, stacked, dual gain, 0.8 ms readout

I highly doubt Adorama was supposed to post the full product listing, but they did (link to product page, but it will probably be edited soon).

www.canonrumors.com

I would be thrilled to have a 30 MP DGO stacked sensor with ultrafast readout.

 

[john1970]

R1 sensor details leaked (but probably false) - 30 MP, stacked, dual gain, 0.8 ms readout

I highly doubt Adorama was supposed to post the full product listing, but they did (link to product page, but it will probably be edited soon).

www.canonrumors.com

Some of those specs are obviously incorrect so I would take this list with grain of salt.

Key Features​

• High-speed autofocus and exposure enhanced by AI recognition
• Moving object trajectory prediction, high success rate smart object lock focus tracking
• 30MP full-frame stacked dual-gain sensor
• Purely electronic rolling shutter faster than any mechanical rolling shutter
• 1/1,250 sec flash sync time (<0.8 microsecond read time)
• Added 1:3 lossy compression CRAW (compared to lossless compression)
• Unlimited 40fps (1:2 CRAW) / 60fps (1:3 CRAW) continuous shooting
• Sensor Size: APS-C Camera

 

[arbitrage]

Some of those specs are obviously incorrect so I would take this list with grain of salt.

Key Features​

• High-speed autofocus and exposure enhanced by AI recognition
• Moving object trajectory prediction, high success rate smart object lock focus tracking
• 30MP full-frame stacked dual-gain sensor
• Purely electronic rolling shutter faster than any mechanical rolling shutter
• 1/1,250 sec flash sync time (<0.8 microsecond read time)
• Added 1:3 lossy compression CRAW (compared to lossless compression)
• Unlimited 40fps (1:2 CRAW) / 60fps (1:3 CRAW) continuous shooting
• Sensor Size: APS-C Camera

That Adorama list is a copy and past of the rumour that started this 39 page thread back in January. Go to page 1 of this thread and click on the link and you will see the same list.

Circle of life I guess. Adorama employee must have copied the bullet points from this January rumour. The verbiage is exact for most of the lines.

 

[Michael Clark]

This is art in its purest form!

Nah. In its purest form they'd all be various target test charts.

 

[Michael Clark]

A shocking revelation! I thought your favourite focal length was 35mm

Wellllll...

20mm * 1.6X crop factor IS 32mm, sooooo...

 

[Michael Clark]

I have been working successfully with the 5D Mark II for 7 years. Although the AF system in my experience and application was limited only to the center point in One Shot focus mode, I never had a problem with the accuracy of that point. Servo AF was also quite good, although I rarely used it, mainly because in Servo AF mode you can't really use the focus and recompose technique - because Servo AF worked well also only with the center point. However, what is definitely not true in my experience is that the AF suffered in dark conditions (below 0EV). My experiences are just the opposite. The AF system is using the central AF point in One Shot mode, and with the help of the focus assist beam on the flash, I was able to focus in complete darkness, and even on a completely white wall in complete darkness.

If you're using a focus assist light, you're probably not using the AF system at less than EV-0 (when the light is illuminating the subject).

But don't take my word for it regarding the 5D Mark II's AF system compared to the 5D Mark III in terms of accuracy and frame to frame consistency.

Here's what Roger Cicala at lensrental.com measured back in 2012.

Autofocus Reality Part 3B: Canon Cameras​

And here's what he specifically said about the 5D Mark III's upgraded AF system compared to the 5D Mark II:

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Despite my well-recognized modesty, I will also point out that when the 5D Mk III was first released, and Canon fanboys were dropping off cliffs right and left, I said “the 5D III is no minor-upgrade camera; it’s an entirely new camera using the old camera’s name”. Its autofocus system is certainly not a minor upgrade–it’s moved over to the big-boy camera side.​

 

[Michael Clark]

Well it shouldn't be that much more. The 1DX MSRP was $6800, 1DX2 was $6000, 1DX3 was $6500, and R3 MSRP at launch was $6000. I expect an R1 to come in around those prices.

I expect you haven't noticed how the prices of pretty much everything are higher since the supply chain issues related to the 2020-21 pandemic?

 

[Michael Clark]

Perhaps not “forever” but a new Mayan 13-baktun cycle started in 2012, and those last just over 5000 years.

Did it, though? Or did the "FINAL" Mayan 13-Baktun cycle end in 2012?

 

[frankchn]

I expect you haven't noticed how the prices of pretty much everything are higher since the supply chain issues related to the 2020-21 pandemic?

Have you noticed the prices of interchangeable lens cameras going up in the same period? The prices of the flagship cameras from other brands haven't gone up. The A9III, launched late last year and shipped in Feb this year -- in the same market segment as the R1 -- is priced at $6000.

 

[Michael Clark]

Half speed slow motion without losing 60fps in broadcast

Even 4K broadcast only needs 8MP. There's absolutely no need for 120fps at full sensor resolution of a 20MP, 30MP, or 45MP sensor.

 

[Michael Clark]

Maybe in the US. In Europe, esp. here in Germany you are only allowed to get such gear inside the stadium, when you have an accreditation.
And those are not not simply distributed to the crowd. At higher league soccer games it is not allowed to take anything with you bigger than a P&S.

The people I'm talking about get "all access" passes directly from the teams. The facility people have no say in where they can and can not go. None of them are sitting in the seats.

 

[Michael Clark]

Have you noticed the prices of interchangeable lens cameras going up in the same period? The prices of the flagship cameras from other brands haven't gone up. The A9III, launched late last year and shipped in Feb this year -- in the same market segment as the R1 -- is priced at $6000.

Let's see.

The EOS 5D Mark IV debuted at $3,499 USD in 2016.
The EOS 1D Mark II debuted at $5,999 USD in 2016.

In 2020 during the mass confusion of the pandemic:

The EOS R5 shipped at $3,899 USD in July, 2020.
The EOS 1D Mark III first shipped at $6,499 USD in June, 2020.

So, yes.

Yes, I did notice that the price of interchangeable lens cameras in Canon's upper tier did increase in price over that period.

 

[Michael Clark]

Have you noticed the prices of interchangeable lens cameras going up in the same period? The prices of the flagship cameras from other brands haven't gone up. The A9III, launched late last year and shipped in Feb this year -- in the same market segment as the R1 -- is priced at $6000.

Sony initially priced the α9 at $4,499 in May 2017.
Sony introduced the α9II at $4,499 in 2019.
Sony introduced the α9III at $5,999 in 2023.

So, yes.

Yes, I have noticed the prices of interchangeable lens cameras going up.

 

[Michael Clark]

That explains it. Canon probably bases their market decisions on cameras people will buy, not spec lists or cameras people will dream about.

'Ya think? Really? Who'da thunk it?