Canon Adds EOS R50 and EOS R8 to the Growing EOS R Mirrorless Camera System
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So, it took me a couple of days to find some time to read up about the R8. So here are my two cents.
To me, the R8 seems to be what the EOS R SHOULD HAVE BEEN. A milc with an attractive price point to lure people into the R system. Decent specs all-around (resolution - AF - mechanical FPS - great e-shutter - ergonomics) with plenty of room what’s to come (IBIS - higher mechanical FPS - less rolling shutter) and such. When the R was introduced, it disappointed quite a lot of people, so some of these R8 specs would have been well received a few years back.
Anyhow, no need to worry about that anymore. So, the R8 seems to be an awesome successor for the RP, which has been moved up a little within the line-up. MRSP for the RP was 1.419 €, now the R8 is 1.799 €. Calculation inflation, that’s pretty close. It is basically the same body as the RP, higher FPS, better AF, light weight and few sweet peaks such as a digital converter (if I read and remember correctly). Given the pricing and the available lens options now, I’d say it’ll sell even better than the RP.
There is one thing the camera isn’t: it is definitely not a EOS R successor. I always thought that if Canon brings a FF R8, it would be a R successor and the R9 would be the RP successor. Well, I was partially wrong. Seems like the R8 is the new RP, leaving room for a more stripped down FF entry level model.
So, is it worth to „upgrade“ from the R to the R8? I guess every R owner has to answer that for themselves. For me, I am definitely not „upgrading“ to the R8. It is too much money with too few benefits compared to the R. And in some perspective, it is even a step back. If my R should stop working (omg I hope it doesn’t happen) I might consider it, but so far my R has a shutter count of 74.000 and it’ll live for some more years. If I do shoot a lot of wild-life (depends on our travel plans) or sports next year, I’ll add the R7. But for now, my GAS has been cured because the affordable FF is not for me in some ways. Sure, it’ll be a great handy camera for a lot of people, but I want a few different things (which I probably have to for even more…)
For me, there is one question left about the R8: what level of weather sealing did the R8 get? The Canon Germany website says: „Witterungsgeschützte Bauweise“ while for the R5 and R it states „wettergeschützte Bauweise“. While the wording is similar, it is not exactly the same. Is there a difference? I couldn’t find a difference concerning the description of level of weather sealing for the R5/ R/ R8 on the Canon USA website.
To me, the R8 seems to be what the EOS R SHOULD HAVE BEEN. A milc with an attractive price point to lure people into the R system. Decent specs all-around (resolution - AF - mechanical FPS - great e-shutter - ergonomics) with plenty of room what’s to come (IBIS - higher mechanical FPS - less rolling shutter) and such. When the R was introduced, it disappointed quite a lot of people, so some of these R8 specs would have been well received a few years back.
Anyhow, no need to worry about that anymore. So, the R8 seems to be an awesome successor for the RP, which has been moved up a little within the line-up. MRSP for the RP was 1.419 €, now the R8 is 1.799 €. Calculation inflation, that’s pretty close. It is basically the same body as the RP, higher FPS, better AF, light weight and few sweet peaks such as a digital converter (if I read and remember correctly). Given the pricing and the available lens options now, I’d say it’ll sell even better than the RP.
There is one thing the camera isn’t: it is definitely not a EOS R successor. I always thought that if Canon brings a FF R8, it would be a R successor and the R9 would be the RP successor. Well, I was partially wrong. Seems like the R8 is the new RP, leaving room for a more stripped down FF entry level model.
So, is it worth to „upgrade“ from the R to the R8? I guess every R owner has to answer that for themselves. For me, I am definitely not „upgrading“ to the R8. It is too much money with too few benefits compared to the R. And in some perspective, it is even a step back. If my R should stop working (omg I hope it doesn’t happen) I might consider it, but so far my R has a shutter count of 74.000 and it’ll live for some more years. If I do shoot a lot of wild-life (depends on our travel plans) or sports next year, I’ll add the R7. But for now, my GAS has been cured because the affordable FF is not for me in some ways. Sure, it’ll be a great handy camera for a lot of people, but I want a few different things (which I probably have to for even more…)
For me, there is one question left about the R8: what level of weather sealing did the R8 get? The Canon Germany website says: „Witterungsgeschützte Bauweise“ while for the R5 and R it states „wettergeschützte Bauweise“. While the wording is similar, it is not exactly the same. Is there a difference? I couldn’t find a difference concerning the description of level of weather sealing for the R5/ R/ R8 on the Canon USA website.
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16mm is such an inexpensive lens that perhaps it does not make sense to rent it. I have it and recommend that you just buy...
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Yes, the R50 with Rf16mm gives me my desired 24mm for 540 gm. Except that for just 120 gm more, (R8 + RF 24-50 = 460 + 210 = 670) I get a much more versatile setup with better IQ. I am still not decided though...
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The R10 has more controls on the body than the R50.
Other than that, they're fairly similar.
RF 24mm: f/1.8
RF 24-50mm: f/4.5-6.3
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Thank you for sharing. I am always interested to hear what others have to say. Perhaps I can add my own thoughts to yours as well. I am mainly interested in photography, so video capabilities are not important for me apart from dialling in the settings once and simply record shot clips as and when needed, which is not often. For photography, I am really interested in the R8 for the primary reason that it should have (almost) identical IQ compared with the R6 II (awaiting confirmation by more in-depth reviews). Despite its purported shortcomings (no IBIS, one dial short, smaller battery), I reckon it has enough in it to make it a more attractive option than the R6 II. Here are my reasonings.
For landscape & portrait photography, the lack of joystick and the third dial is no big deal for me. In this genre, there is time to take the extra seconds to change the settings, spot focal point etc. As I have mostly OIS lenses, the lack of IBIS is also not a real problem. The additional stops provided by IBIS do not make enough material difference (for me), particularly when use with a tripod. For wildlife and sporting events, the 6fps EFC shutter speed is a limitation. However, the 20fps (14bit) or 40fps (12bit) electronic shutter is sufficient. As far as I understand, the readout speed of this (R8) sensor is about 14.5ms (compared to 16.3ms of the R5), which is fast enough to significantly reduce the effects of rolling shutter when shooting at 40fps, so 20fps should work fine. The full mechanical shutter of the R6 II, at 12fps, would technically avoid rolling shutter, but could introduce shutter shock. Overall, I think it should work well enough in these genres for my use case. More importantly, IBIS does not seem to go well for focal lengths beyond 200mm theoretically, such that one would be better off turning it off and rely on OIS instead. The jury is still out on this, so would have to see what the wildlife photographers say when the R8 is fully tested under actual shooting conditions. For travel and street photography, it is important to be ready for interesting/dramatic moments. In these situations, it seems often to be useful to pre-set the settings even with professional, 3-dials etc cameras. IBIS, assuming that the typical street photography lens tend to be on the normal/wider end, would be useful, particularly when the shooting is done mostly handheld. This would make the R8 less ideal than the R6II. However, with OIS lenses, this disadvantage may not be too important.
Battery is not a real problem for me, as I have plenty of the EP-17s from previous cameras as well as third-party batteries. Besides, despite the low CIPA rating, I often find that I can take significantly more shots than what the rating says. The lack of professional grade weather sealing could be a problem with sudden changes in temperatures and shooting in inclement conditions. I could probably live with that risk in general. Overall, the smaller size and weight of the R8 is most welcome for day-long walkabouts/hikes. And if the IQ of the R8 proves to be the equivalent of the R6II, then I would most likely choose that over the R6 II.
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Both the R10 and R50 are APS-C cameras and both the 24 f/1.8 and 24-50 are FF lenses.
In case one of you meant the R8, that is a FF camera.
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There are multiple cases when I need to use joystick on my R5 instead of "focus and recompose", such as:
1. The AF is not sticky enough (or I am too lazy to configure the AF mode for the subject type).
2. I know where the subject will appear, but I won't be fast enough to recompose.
3. I don't want the subject to see me moving.
I also think that IS works better when you don't need to recompose, but that might be subjective.
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I find the RF-S 18-45 and RF 24-50 kit lenses to be disappointing.
The only thing they really have going for them is size.
I am pretty impressed by the RF-S 18-150 and RF 24-105 f/4-7.1 kit lenses.
The RF 24-240 is impressive as well.
I also like the RF 24 f/1.8.
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A bit off topic. Seeing the first reviews of the Nikon NIKKOR Z 85mm f/1.2 S (quiet autofocus, 11 blades vs 9) and considering the policy towards third party lens manufacturers, I don't know if Canon would be the #1 choice today. :-/
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Obviously, most things has been said and done now about the R50 and R8, at least until in-depth reviews are published.
So now, I am already waiting for the typical "another announcement cycle has passed, what's next from Canon" thread and keep refreshing this site for it
So now, I am already waiting for the typical "another announcement cycle has passed, what's next from Canon" thread and keep refreshing this site for it
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