Canon Adds EOS R50 and EOS R8 to the Growing EOS R Mirrorless Camera System

[londonxt]

For what it's worth. Canon RP launch price in USA $1299. Factoring in the inflation rate since then...would now count $1,508.

For me as an R owner, I think the R8 will be my R replacement, mainly due to the smaller size and weight, and also the improved AF system. Will have to see some reviews. Mainly will be my landscape camera, but if it does reasonably well for birds and wildlife, might also serve as a 2nd camera to my R7 when I don't want to - or have time to - switch lenses in the field.

I also have the R (as a main body). What are you thoughts on the R8's slightly lower res sensor and EVF, poorer battery capacity and body build? Out of those, the battery capacity is not such a big deal for me personally and for landscape photography/street scenes the greater DR might trump the lower pixel res. especially as I now only walk around with their budget end RF lenses.

 

[Dragon]

I truly fail to understand all the whigning about the LP-e17 when you can buy a 3-pack of lpe-17 clones replete with a 3 slot charger for $30 on Amazon. Do these people not have pockets?

 

[Dragon]

With the advent of the DigicX, Canon has clearly made the decision to provide full boat AF and video capability on all cameras limited only by sensor readout speed. From an industry perspective that is a significant decision, because it means that all serious cameras will have to follow suit. Entry cameras may have some functions limited, but top-level AF will be a huge benefit for newbies.

 

[Dragon]

So sad that Canon didn’t make exactly the camera you want, which apparently is a dirt-cheap, small, highly capable FF camera that uses the LP-E19 battery in a compartment designed with the spell Hermione used on her purse.

So thrilled that now we’ll all have to read your incessant perseveration for a few more months or years, until the purple unicorn craps that camera into your eagerly waiting hands.

Such a delightful (one might even say epicurean) choice of words. Craig needs a new leaderboard category for "putdown of the week" .

 

[HikeBike]

The R8 has a mechanical shutter

1st curtain only. Not full mechanical.

 

[Aussie shooter]

The rumor mill

Ok. I guess I didn't pay that much attention then.

 

[nunataks]

1st curtain only. Not full mechanical.

To be fair the RP also had the same thing (because this new camera mostly lazily reuses the RP's body).

 

[padam]

I truly fail to understand all the whinging about the LP-e17 when you can buy a 3-pack of lpe-17 clones replete with a 3 slot charger for $30 on Amazon. Do these people not have pockets?

It"s not so convenient, the LP-E6NH lasts very long, one can just charge it at home via USB and not take it out.

Other problems with the LP-E17 is a lack of a percentage indicator (just never sure when it goes down completely, not great for video) and that over time it looses charge when not in use, those multiple batteries have to be kept topped up.

Of course it if had a big battery and all that comes with it, it would basically be an R6 II, so I can understand why it uses a smaller one, I just think it could use an update.

But to be fair, battery life has seen a bit of increase over the RP despite all the improvements.

 

[EverydayPhotographer]

I think Jethro and I are of like mind. I have an RP and an R10, and the latter exposes some of the age of the former. Enough so that I was considering the R6mkII. Now I am thinking I will save $1k, and some time around Father’s Day when Canon seems to like to drop discounts, I will also be in a position to buy…

 

[Dragon]

1st curtain only. Not full mechanical.

Almost a perfect reversal from the M6 II, which has (fast and loud) full mechanical, very limited eletronic and no EFCS. Go figure.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I also have the R (as a main body). What are you thoughts on the R8's slightly lower res sensor…

The R8 has a lower megapixel count than the R, but actually has higher resolution. Canon stated, and it has been independently confirmed, that the 24 MP sensors in the R3 and R6II (the latter is the same sensor used in the R8) outresolve the 30 MP sensor used in the 5DIV and EOS R.

 

[AlanF]

The R8 has a lower megapixel count than the R, but actually has higher resolution. Canon stated, and it has been independently confirmed, that the 24 MP sensors in the R3 and R6II (the latter is the same sensor used in the R8) outresolve the 30 MP sensor used in the 5DIV and EOS R.

That's right, better resolution at the expenses of Moire as the AA-filter has been weakened in the horizontal axis and eliminated from the vertical.

 

[londonxt]

ok interesting info!

 

[Dragon]

That's right, better resolution at the expenses of Moire as the AA-filter has been weakened in the horizontal axis and eliminated from the vertical.

But so many people say Sonys and MF cameras make such beautiful sharp pictures (with no AA filter at all). .

 

[entoman]

Focus and recompose, every time, like in the DSLR's days, when I've the possibility to rapidly off-set the af point with the joystick? I would say that, given the flexibility in moving a single AF point that we get with ML cameras, a joystick it's almost a basic feature if you're not using the camera just for family holiday pics twice a year...

Well, I use my R5 for rather a lot more than "family holiday pics twice a year". I shoot about 20K shots a year, hundreds of which have been published, and among other things I photograph insects, African and Indian wildlife, birds, flowers, fungi and landscapes.

I only very rarely use the AF joystick, because I find the focus-recompose method is *much* faster, and the R5 locks onto almost any subjects and tracks them really well.

I've got the Mfn button mapped to switch between AF zones, so with a single tap I can instantly switch to spot AF for difficult subjects, and if I wanted to I could map the AF/ON and AEL buttons to switch the AF area off-centre to either side (as I did with my 5DSR).

Second dial not needed? Never heard about exposure TRIANGLE? At least two dials are REALLY needed for any use that is more then just amateurish, so you can control two parameters of the triangle with the two camera dials, while the third parameter (usually aperture) is assigned to the control wheel on the lens, so you can move the whole triangle just with dials, without touching any button/menu.

Having been an industrial photographer until I retired, I heard about, and fully understood the exposure triangle long before you were born.

You seem to be blissfully unaware that the R8 has THREE inputs, i.e. a front dial, a rear dial and a control ring on the lens.

Most people will be shooting in Tv, Av or P modes, which means you only need ONE input to control those parameters (one input manually, the other automatically set by the camera). If you are in Manual metering mode, you can use the front dial for shutter and the rear dial for aperture (or vice versa). Then you have the control ring around the lens for ISO. Furthermore you can map the set button or any other button to enable you to use the dial/ring of your choice to alter the exposure compensation.

 

[AlanF]

But so many people say Sonys and MF cameras make such beautiful sharp pictures (with no AA filter at all). .

What do you mean by "But" - the absence of AA-filters does sharpen images. The D850/Z7 IQ is spectacular, for example. The "But" comes in here: "But", Canon has redesigned and weakened its AA-filters to improve IQ. The R5 is nearly as sharp as the D850/Z7 and eliminates much of Moire. The R3 and R6 sensors also have improved filters and outresolve their higher Mpx precursors.

 

[entoman]

I think people rightfully come here to see new, inspiring things from Canon for their craft, not just things that barely work for more money than before.

You don't see anything inspiring about a camera that is markedly superior to its predecessor (the RP) and has a specification and performance that almost matches that of its much more expensive and more upmarket cousin the R6ii? Funny how it's already getting rave reviews all over the internet.

 

[entoman]

I also have the R (as a main body). What are you thoughts on the R8's slightly lower res sensor and EVF, poorer battery capacity and body build? Out of those, the battery capacity is not such a big deal for me personally and for landscape photography/street scenes the greater DR might trump the lower pixel res. especially as I now only walk around with their budget end RF lenses.

Horses for courses. The R has better build quality, better EVF, better battery performance. The R8 has a greatly superior AF system, very fast fps with ES, and is lighter in weight. Then there's the R7 which has more MP than either, and more "reach" due to the smaller sensor. We really are spoilt for choice.

If you are primarily interested in landscapes, I'd suggest going for the R8 as the benefits of a top notch FF sensor outweigh the AF advantages of the R7, and in real world photography the sensor will be at least as good as the one in the R. Someone whose main interests were sport or wildlife would be better off with the R7.

The sharpness of the budget RF lenses (e.g. 100-400mm) is almost indistinguishable from equivalents in the L range, even with the R5 sensor. The main benefits of the L range are wider apertures and ruggedness/weather-resistance.

 

[bbasiaga]

What do you mean by "But" - the absence of AA-filters does sharpen images. The D850/Z7 IQ is spectacular, for example. The "But" comes in here: "But", Canon has redesigned and weakened its AA-filters to improve IQ. The R5 is nearly as sharp as the D850/Z7 and eliminates much of Moire. The R3 and R6 sensors also have improved filters and outresolve their higher Mpx precursors.

I think he was pointing out the AA filter paradox - on the internet, when a camera has an AA filter it is knocked for losing sharpness, but when it doesn't it is useless because of moire.

-Brian

 

[Dragon]

What do you mean by "But" - the absence of AA-filters does sharpen images. The D850/Z7 IQ is spectacular, for example. The "But" comes in here: "But", Canon has redesigned and weakened its AA-filters to improve IQ. The R5 is nearly as sharp as the D850/Z7 and eliminates much of Moire. The R3 and R6 sensors also have improved filters and outresolve their higher Mpx precursors.

I was responding to your "at the expense of moire" comment and the incessant chatter from Sony trolls as well as the tendency by major reviewers to overlook the lack of AA filters on MF cameras (maybe because their moire targets were designed to bollix a 20 MP camera and don't show moire on a 100 MP camera unless they back up and shoot the target from a longer distance). Yes, the R5 is almost as sharp as the 5DSR and it has much less moire. I don't know if the R8 uses a similar quad filter, but once designed, it may not be any more expensive to fabricate than previous filters. In any case, there are two kinds aliasing; pixel level aliasing (which is improved by AA filters) and color moire (upon which AA filters have very little effect).