Canon Adds EOS R50 and EOS R8 to the Growing EOS R Mirrorless Camera System

I only very rarely use the AF joystick, because I find the focus-recompose method is *much* faster, and the R5 locks onto almost any subjects and tracks them really well.
Plug for the Smart Controller, it’s even faster. I really hope that’s a feature that Canon pushes into lower-tier bodies.


You seem to be blissfully unaware that the R8 has THREE inputs, i.e. a front dial, a rear dial and a control ring on the lens.

Most people will be shooting in Tv, Av or P modes, which means you only need ONE input to control those parameters (one input manually, the other automatically set by the camera).
Or two in Fv mode.

If you are in Manual metering mode, you can use the front dial for shutter and the rear dial for aperture (or vice versa). Then you have the control ring around the lens for ISO. Furthermore you can map the set button or any other button to enable you to use the dial/ring of your choice to alter the exposure compensation.
That’s how I’d set up the R8. On my R3, I have EC assigned to the back thumb wheel (QCD1) because I’m usually in Auto ISO with either M or Fv. That means I don’t use the lens control ring much, by design since its location on the lens barrel differs across lenses.
 
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Looks like all the latest rumours and chat has come true.
The bodies look like a good round-up of the system. Of course a lot of things will be moaned over (battery, IBIS, etc.)
The lenses might find their market, but esp. for the 24-50 I'm not in that market.

Depending on my budget, the R8 might be a really interesting travel body.
And from my 200D I already have some LP-E17, so I'd go along with enough spare ;)
Small exception. The R50 is def not a replacement for the M6 mk 2 or the M50. It's simply a cheap entry level mirrorless. Similar to the Rebel.
 
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Sure, just like the R7 is def not a replacement for the 7DII. Except, well, it is.
Apples to oranges. The R50 is a cheap dumb down entry level Rebel with no AF ON button. Marketed by Canon as being for "beginners". That's the obvious clue of the intended purchaser. The M6 Mk 2 on the other hand is a far more complex device. Released price at $849. Not a beginners device.
 
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That’s how I’d set up the R8. On my R3, I have EC assigned to the back thumb wheel (QCD1) because I’m usually in Auto ISO with either M or Fv. That means I don’t use the lens control ring much, by design since its location on the lens barrel differs across lenses.
On my R5, in Av/Tv/P modes I have front dial for shutter/aperture, rear dial for ISO, and rear thumbwheel for EC.

In Manual mode, front dial for shutter, rear dial for ISO, rear thumbwheel for EC, and lens control ring for aperture.

That way I can switch between auto and manual modes without having to change (and memorise) the configuration.

There are lots of options, much depends on shooting style and subject type (action/static).
 
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Horses for courses. The R has better build quality, better EVF, better battery performance. The R8 has a greatly superior AF system, very fast fps with ES, and is lighter in weight. Then there's the R7 which has more MP than either, and more "reach" due to the smaller sensor. We really are spoilt for choice.

If you are primarily interested in landscapes, I'd suggest going for the R8 as the benefits of a top notch FF sensor outweigh the AF advantages of the R7, and in real world photography the sensor will be at least as good as the one in the R. Someone whose main interests were sport or wildlife would be better off with the R7.

The sharpness of the budget RF lenses (e.g. 100-400mm) is almost indistinguishable from equivalents in the L range, even with the R5 sensor. The main benefits of the L range are wider apertures and ruggedness/weather-resistance.
That last statement is true even at the long end. I have both the RF 600 and 800 f/11 as well as a very nice EF 800 f/5.6 L and at least for the center 2/3rds of the image, it is very hard to tell the difference with the EF wide open. At f/8, it is a bit sharper, but at that point I am looking at more that 7 lbs additional for a tiny sharpness improvement and 1 stop of brightness. There are places where I still use the EF, but I certainly wouldn't go out and buy one today when the difference (even from a used EF 800) would fetch me an R1 when it comes on the scene. I find the RF 800 f/11 to be very capable with the R7, even with a 1.4 TC and that is right on the edge of amazing.
 
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Small exception. The R50 is def not a replacement for the M6 mk 2 or the M50. It's simply a cheap entry level mirrorless. Similar to the Rebel.
And just how is the M50 NOT a mini-rebel???? The R50 is actually lighter and smaller than the M50 and only sligthly deeper due to a deeper grip, which does not make the package bigger once you add a lens. An M50 with R50 specs would be hailed as wonderful with "real" 4k and "stunning" AF, but as an RF entry some folks are dissing it. Of course it is a Rebel replacment (and and M50 replacement). What would you expect it to be at that price point?
 
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That last statement is true even at the long end. I have both the RF 600 and 800 f/11 as well as a very nice EF 800 f/5.6 L and at least for the center 2/3rds of the image, it is very hard to tell the difference with the EF wide open. At f/8, it is a bit sharper, but at that point I am looking at more that 7 lbs additional for a tiny sharpness improvement and 1 stop of brightness. There are places where I still use the EF, but I certainly wouldn't go out and buy one today when the difference (even from a used EF 800) would fetch me an R1 when it comes on the scene. I find the RF 800 f/11 to be very capable with the R7, even with a 1.4 TC and that is right on the edge of amazing.
I have the RF100-400mm and the RF100-500mm. I do need to apply a tiny bit more sharpening with the budget lens, but there really is little difference in sharpness. I use the RF100-500mm for wildlife on safari or shooting from hides, where the weight isn't a problem. I also use it for BIF. On foot, when photographing animals, butterflies, flowers and landscapes I much prefer the RF100-400mm. I like the bokeh better on the RF100-400mm. Nowadays it's my most used lens.

My other "budget" lens is the RF800mm F11. I don't use it much in the UK because the light levels are low, especially early and late in the day during the winter, which is my UK birding photography season. In Africa where the sun is at least 2 stops brighter, the lens is really useful, and so easy to hold tirelessly when aiming at birds up in the trees. Not as sharp as the RF100-500mm, but plenty good enough even when heavily cropped and viewed at 100% on a 5K 27" monitor.
 
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I was responding to your "at the expense of moire" comment and the incessant chatter from Sony trolls as well as the tendency by major reviewers to overlook the lack of AA filters on MF cameras (maybe because their moire targets were designed to bollix a 20 MP camera and don't show moire on a 100 MP camera unless they back up and shoot the target from a longer distance). Yes, the R5 is almost as sharp as the 5DSR and it has much less moire. I don't know if the R8 uses a similar quad filter, but once designed, it may not be any more expensive to fabricate than previous filters. In any case, there are two kinds aliasing; pixel level aliasing (which is improved by AA filters) and color moire (upon which AA filters have very little effect).
Canon claimed the R5 outresolved the 5DSR and I found that to be true both in the field and chart tests. The 5DSR has the AA-filter of the 5DS but neutralises it with a second filter to recombine the defocused rays, and it's not 100% efficient. I only very rarely found Moire with the D850, and more so with the 5DSR. You can see that Z7 II sensor (the same as the D850) has as little colour Moire as the R5, as you say.
https://www.optyczne.pl/457.4-Test_aparatu-Canon_EOS_R5_Rozdzielczość.html
https://www.optyczne.pl/462.4-Test_aparatu-Nikon_Z7_II_Rozdzielczość.html
 
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Does it all - in plain English - mean that R50 will be a bona fide "Internet camera" that can be charged via USB and that transmits voice via a built-in microphone?
A bona fide check box marked for pre entry level, someones very first camera. Scare a person away from using cameras. Stick with ur iphone 14 or Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.
 
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You don't see anything inspiring about a camera that is markedly superior to its predecessor (the RP) and has a specification and performance that almost matches that of its much more expensive and more upmarket cousin the R6ii? Funny how it's already getting rave reviews all over the internet.
Exactly. Although I was hoping this announcement would turn out to be more of an R replacement for build quality, larger form/battery and maybe higher res, the R8 directly replaces the RP with very impactful improvements (speaking as a generally satisfied RP owner). I'll probably still fork out the extra cash to buy an R6mkii soon, but at a grand less for the R8 with presumably the same IQ and eye AF, I've definitely got to sleep on it.
 
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Canon claimed the R5 outresolved the 5DSR and I found that to be true both in the field and chart tests. The 5DSR has the AA-filter of the 5DS but neutralises it with a second filter to recombine the defocused rays, and it's not 100% efficient. I only very rarely found Moire with the D850, and more so with the 5DSR. You can see that Z7 II sensor (the same as the D850) has as little colour Moire as the R5, as you say.
https://www.optyczne.pl/457.4-Test_aparatu-Canon_EOS_R5_Rozdzielczość.html
https://www.optyczne.pl/462.4-Test_aparatu-Nikon_Z7_II_Rozdzielczość.html
Yes, I owned 5DSR and now R5, and I find the R5 is sharper and resolves marginally more fine detail. I never had any moire problems with the 5DSR, which surprised me a little, as I expected interference to show up on feathers and on the scale structure of butterfly wings. I think moire was only a real problem for wedding photographers as it would be most likely to affect white fabric. Even then, you'd have to be at a particular distance from the fabric for the interference pattern to appear.
 
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That last statement is true even at the long end. I have both the RF 600 and 800 f/11 as well as a very nice EF 800 f/5.6 L and at least for the center 2/3rds of the image, it is very hard to tell the difference with the EF wide open. At f/8, it is a bit sharper, but at that point I am looking at more that 7 lbs additional for a tiny sharpness improvement and 1 stop of brightness. There are places where I still use the EF, but I certainly wouldn't go out and buy one today when the difference (even from a used EF 800) would fetch me an R1 when it comes on the scene. I find the RF 800 f/11 to be very capable with the R7, even with a 1.4 TC and that is right on the edge of amazing.
Do you use the RF 600/11? I use the RF 100-400mm, the RF 100-500mm and occasionally the 800/11 on the R5/7. The 600 seems to fall between two stools, lacking the range of the 800, the utility of the 100-400, which is nice with the 1.4x, and from what I see second-hand, not as sharp as the 100-500.
 
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Yes, I owned 5DSR and now R5, and I find the R5 is sharper and resolves marginally more fine detail. I never had any moire problems with the 5DSR, which surprised me a little, as I expected interference to show up on feathers and on the scale structure of butterfly wings. I think moire was only a real problem for wedding photographers as it would be most likely to affect white fabric. Even then, you'd have to be at a particular distance from the fabric for the interference pattern to appear.
Here are a few rare examples of Moire from the 5DSR. The tails of Kingfishers are difficult. You have to look for it.

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If that's what you believe and will pay for go for it. However the price of the M6 mk 2 will most likely stay the same as it’s a far better camera.
I have the M6II and I’m quite happy with it, thanks. Since I also have an M6 and an M2, I don’t care what happens to the price of the M6II.

Personally, I have zero interest in an APS-C EOS R without an RF-S UWA zoom to go with it.
 
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Personally, I have zero interest in an APS-C EOS R without an RF-S UWA zoom to go with it.
 
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