Canon Adds EOS R50 and EOS R8 to the Growing EOS R Mirrorless Camera System

[neuroanatomist]

Canon RF-S 11-22mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM coming in the first half of 2023 - Canon Rumors

Canon will likely release at least three RF-S lenses in 2023, a couple of them will likely be based on their EF-M counterparts. One of the lenses we’re told that will launch in the first half of 2023 is an RF-S 11-22mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM. The EF-M version was a favourite of EOS M shooters […]

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Hard to purchase a rumored lens. We were told there would be an RF-S 22/2 would be launched with the R50. It wasn’t.

Canon RF-S 22mm f/2 STM is coming alongside the EOS R50 [CR2]

We have partial confirmation that Canon plans to bring one of the most popular and highly-regarded EF-M lenses to the RF mount. We are told that Canon will be announcing an RF-S 22mm f/2 STM alongside the rumored Canon EOS R50. We expect these announcements to come in the first quarter of 2023...

www.canonrumors.com

 

[AJ]

I really like the R APS-C bodies... The lenses I don`t like so much. Really would like a 18-50 2.8 or something similar (like the new one from Sigma). I would not hope for it though.

Yeah wouldn't that be nice - a compact high-performing 18-50/2.8. But I don't see that happen anytime soon. Sigh.

 

[davidespinosa]

I bet the RF-S 11-22mm and RF-S 22mm will come soon.
Maybe at the same time as the R100.
EDIT: Okay, "coming soon" is different from "here now".

It does seem like the R50 replaces the M50.
If someone disagrees, let him/her name an important spec or feature where the M50 is better.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

From an industry perspective that is a significant decision, because it means that all serious cameras will have to follow suit.

It does not always work that way.
Camera companies are not competing with different versions of similar cameras all of the time.
They tend to have their own niches.
That being said, they will follow suit if they have to.
For example, Canon and Nikon switching to mirrorless.

 

[David - Sydney]

Jokes a side, RF still needs to have small lenses for me to continue to invest in this system.

The eternal promise of MILC ecosystems!
The new Nikon 26/2.8 pancake looks great physically until you see the price.
Canon haven't replaced their discontinued EF40mm pancake. It would be a slam dunk proposition for most users to have one on instead of a lens cap.

 

[David - Sydney]

Personally, I have zero interest in an APS-C EOS R without an RF-S UWA zoom to go with it.

It is mystifying to me that Canon haven't addressed the UWA lens gap for RF-S except by adapting EF-S lenses.
Repackaging M mount prime/wide angle RF-S lenses and releasing small/pancake RF lenses seem to be glaring omissions to me.
Low cost and high value for users = high volume.

 

[esglord]

To prolong their struggle? Come on, rp owners would be happy to ditch a side their spare batteries.

Not only would I be happy to ditch the spares, if the body were a little larger/taller to accommodate a bigger battery, I could sell the extension grip which I need to make the RP comfortable. Seems like a bunch of people like the smaller body though I guess.

 

[kmrahe]

I bet the RF-S 11-22mm and RF-S 22mm will come soon.
Maybe at the same time as the R100.
EDIT: Okay, "coming soon" is different from "here now".

It does seem like the R50 replaces the M50.
If someone disagrees, let him/her name an important spec or feature where the M50 is better.

Would the full-frame folks not care for a 22mm? Will there really ever be as many RF-S lenses as there are EF-Ms?

I can't find anything really important that the R50 lacks, though it appears it doesn't have built-in stereo microphones like the M50, which I would miss at least a little bit.

 

[Dragon]

I have the M6II and I’m quite happy with it, thanks. Since I also have an M6 and an M2, I don’t care what happens to the price of the M6II.

Personally, I have zero interest in an APS-C EOS R without an RF-S UWA zoom to go with it.

EF-s 10-22mm is very available on eBay right now. I just picked up one in absolute mint condition with a Canon hood for $190. The R7 seems to like it and the IBIS is very effective at those short focal lengths. I already had a 10-18mm with IS, but the 10-22 is a much higher end lens and seems to be quite sharp across the field over the entire zoom range. I also have an M6 II and the 11-22, which is a fine lens that would be nice to see ported to R, but the EF-s 10-22 was kind of an anomaly in that it is high end construction and pretty pricey ($650) new (for an EF-s lens). At the current used price, it is a steal that may not last too long with more RF-s bodies coming out.

 

[Dragon]

Do you use the RF 600/11? I use the RF 100-400mm, the RF 100-500mm and occasionally the 800/11 on the R5/7. The 600 seems to fall between two stools, lacking the range of the 800, the utility of the 100-400, which is nice with the 1.4x, and from what I see second-hand, not as sharp as the 100-500.

I bought the 800 first and use it the most (often with the 1.4 TC on the R7) as I have a year-round commune of hummigbirds in the back yard that are perpetually fun to photograph. During the holidays, the 600 went on sale in the refurb section for half the normal price so I got one and it seems to have essentially the same IQ as the 800, but it is considerably smaller and lighter. The thought was if I put the 800 (with TC) on the R7 and the 600 on the R5, then I have both 1800 mm (FF eauiv) and 600mm available on a moments notice if a Bobcat or other interesting creature happens by (we live deep in the country). Normally, I keep the RF 24-240 on the R5 as it is very flexible and (once again) has excellent IQ for an inexpensive lens, but at certain times of year, I think the 600 may replace it as I also have a 5DS-r with a Sigma 24-105 art at the ready if needed. The attached photo was with the 90D and EF100-400 L II at full reach, so a 600 on FF would be similar framing. We looked out the window before breakfast and noticed that Mom had just hatched twins in the front yard. Something you may have already noticed is that with both the 600 and 800, the actual area available for AF does not change from FF to crop frame, so with an RF-s body (or the R5 in crop mode), the percentage of the frrame that is available for AF is much larger than in FF. Time will tell how often I will use the 600, but it is sooo light that it will be tempting.

 

[Dragon]

It does not always work that way.
Camera companies are not competing with different versions of similar cameras all of the time.
They tend to have their own niches.
That being said, they will follow suit if they have to.
For example, Canon and Nikon switching to mirrorless.

When the big dog barks, the rest of the pack tends to listen.

 

[Dragon]

That's a great idea. Instead of eliminating sarcasm, we should raise its quality !

That was my thought. Laughing at fools is a far more effective way of shaping up their act than getting mad at them.

 

[David - Sydney]

EF-s 10-22mm is very available on eBay right now. I just picked up one in absolute mint condition with a Canon hood for $190. The R7 seems to like it and the IBIS is very effective at those short focal lengths. I already had a 10-18mm with IS, but the 10-22 is a much higher end lens and seems to be quite sharp across the field over the entire zoom range. I also have an M6 II and the 11-22, which is a fine lens that would be nice to see ported to R, but the EF-s 10-22 was kind of an anomaly in that it is high end construction and pretty pricey ($650) new (for an EF-s lens). At the current used price, it is a steal that may not last too long with more RF-s bodies coming out.

the EF-S 10-22mm was my first wide angle on my 7D and it got me into landscape/seascape and the rest is history now. I got it second hand back a decade ago and it was great. Unfortunately, it is still the only good UWA zoom for crop sensors from Canon.

 

[UlfricStormcloak]

Not only would I be happy to ditch the spares, if the body were a little larger/taller to accommodate a bigger battery, I could sell the extension grip which I need to make the RP comfortable. Seems like a bunch of people like the smaller body though I guess.

For traveling I always want to have a smallest gear as I can. A bigger grip make it a slightly heavier. Seems like not much of a deal, but you should count a bigger lenses you're hinting on. With bigger body and a lens you also needs to have a bigger tripod, bigger ballhead. I used to have another ballhead on my bike as well. Bike needs to accommodate a different stand so it wouldn't play on a wind. A handle for table stand needs to be bigger, and heavier. Handle in the office too. I forgot to mention all the big, thick and firm straps you would need to use so your expensive camera wouldn't sleep out off the shoulder. But ff you're staying in 500 - 800g you can avoid all of that, travel light and enjoy the ride.

You see its a snowball that rolling from the top of the hill to the bottom. And it all starts from a pinky and additional 160 grams. All I want to say is, not everyone needs a better grip.

 

[tomri]

I truly fail to understand all the whigning about the LP-e17 when you can buy a 3-pack of lpe-17 clones replete with a 3 slot charger for $30 on Amazon. Do these people not have pockets?

Couple of reasons:
- Changing batteries is tedious and can make you miss a shot
- Even more so if the battery door is blocked by a tripod plate
- Carrying many batteries defeats the purpose of having a smaller/more lightweight kit
- Having to carry different types of batteries and chargers for different camera bodies sucks
- Cheap batteries are often bad quality and deteriorate after a short period of use
- Original batteries are expensive and deteriorate too
- Who wants a smaller hand grip?
- Crippling a camera by battery size feels like a slap in the face

 

[davidespinosa]

Good news !
Canon has a solution for all of your battery problems.
It's called the R6 Mark II.

(I think I'm learning this sarcasm thing...)

 

[koenkooi]

Couple of reasons:
[...]
- Who wants a smaller hand grip?
[...]

If it delivers an M200 or M6II sized camera: me!

With that out of the way: The depth and width of the RP grip didn't bother me, with heavier lenses it was the height that was uncomfortable. Adding the EG-E1 in those situations resolved that issue.

The biggest downside of the LP-E17, for me, is that it's a 'dumb' battery. With the LP-E6(NH) you get a much better estimate of the battery condition, including the ability to track the batteries over time. You never know how 'full' an LP-E17 is and how long you can keep shooting after it starts flashing red.

A decade of using LP-E12 and LP-E17 have brainwashed me into thinking 'this is fine'

 

[Sigurd2]

I have assumed that the R8 has the same level of weather protection as the RP. And also that the RP's weather protection is quite poor compared to the R7, R6/ R6II. But have seen in several places the R8 referred to as having the same level of weather protection as the R6 II.

How good/ bad is the R8's weather protection?

I can perhaps learn to live with frequent battery changes. But a camera damaged by moisture is a bit harder...

 

[Bahrd]

A bona fide check box marked for pre entry level, someones very first camera. Scare a person away from using cameras. Stick with ur iphone 14 or Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.

I am sure people are smarter and braver than you think they are.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Would the full-frame folks not care for a 22mm? Will there really ever be as many RF-S lenses as there are EF-Ms?

Hopefully, there will be more.
There were never really very many EF-M lenses.