Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR

[meli]

I can't believe they had the gall to charge more than the Nikon D600. Canon's pricing is downright insulting lately.

Canon's pricing policy is pure MARKETING GENIUS....

........any xxD or xxxD owner will aspire to owning a 6D.... the higher initial entry price for the 6D will ensure (listen to the voices on CR over the last 12 hours as proof) that those serious amateur enthusiasts (incl. 7D owners) will now pony up the extra for a 5D3.....

.... meanwhile lots of budding videographers (look at the Canon 6D Press Release - it mentions 3 categories of user: PHOTOGRAPHERS, VIDEOGRAPHERS & CINEMATOGRAPHERS - 2 out of 3 are video users) will happily pay 2 grand for a FF DSLR video cam with low-light capability as well as compatibility with the new STM lenses


.... read the threads on this forum re. 6D, commentators have polarized into 2 distinct groups:

(1) those who have their credit cards out and cannot wait till October to get their hands on a 6D

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(2) those who think its awful and the disappointment is enough to finally trigger their 5D3 purchase


As a 7D owner I wouldn't buy a 6D, but I'm glad that Canon has just protected the residual value of my 7D with their inane pricing strategy

I can see that you're out preaching incessantly about how this joke of a camera is somehow worth the investement, but seriously, your posts are choke full of assumptions and missinformation

 

[pakosouthpark]

hands on video from engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/17/canon-eos-6d-hands-on/

 

[brianleighty]

With all the negatives people have to say about this camera. One interesting positive is I believe the metering system is the same as the 5d mark iii correct? That could be a nice addition vs my 5d mark ii one.

 

[dswatson83]

It just feels like this camera was more of an attempt to hit a price point without trying to hit features of any other existing Canon camera rather than a model directed at a specific user base.

They avoided competing with the 60D, t4i & 5D3 by lacking live AF from the t4i, no headphone jack like the 5d3 and no tilt screen of the 60D & 4ti, no clean hdmi out, and no dual card slots.

For photography it seems weak as it is lacking a decent AF system (even something like the 7D), no dual card slots, or at least a single pro CF slot if you can only have 1 (such as the 7D), only 3 bracket exposure vs 7 of the 5d3, way slower than the 5d3 or 7D, no flash, no 100% view finder, only 1/4000 max shutter speed, only 1/180 max flash sync, and usb 2.0.

Then it seems that since this resulted in a body to inexpensive, they added gps & wifi which few people need in a DSLR rather than adding back some of the specs they removed to not compete with the other cameras.

It's a camera that seems weak no matter what area of photography you are in:
For sports - too slow and bad focus system, no CF or dual card slots, No 100%VF, no joystick, limited controls
For Wedding/Event - No dual card slot for backup, poor focus system, slow flash sync, No 100%VF, no af joystick
For video - No live AF, no swivel screen, no headphone jack, no clean hdmi, no dual cards for backup or overflow, no silent operation like the 5D3 or D600
For studio/landscape - No 100%VF, No Backup card, only 20MP vs the D600 & D800, limited DR most likely
For Travel/consumer - No popup flash, no card backup, no swivel screen, no live af, no touch screen

What/who is this camera for. This is clearly Canon's attempt to produce a camera without stepping on any other camera's toes.

Instead, the best camera for each item never include the 6D:
For sports - Buy the 1Dx, 7D, or even 5D3 (don't buy a 6D for this ever)
For Wedding/Event - buy the 5D3, 1Dx, then maybe a 7D or 6D (both have some negatives)
For video - Sony A99, 1Dc, 5D3, 1Dx, 60D, t4i, then maybe a 6D
For studio/landscape - 5D3 or go Nikon because they are the best for this with the D800 & D600
For Travel/consumer - Nikon D600 or 5D3, t4i, then maybe i'd get a 6D

 

[wockawocka]

I shoot 50 weddings a year and shoot them entirely in manual mode.

The only thing the 6D announcement did was make me wonder why my 1DX didn't get the wifi and GPS treatment, that would of been great for my high end shoots.

Then again, how good is the wifi, it could be really slow.

I've never used WiFi but the usual assessment is it's too slow if you shoot RAW to be of much practical use.

I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.

A very good point made which I hadn't thought of.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm not sure how well WiFi, GPS, or a build wireless flash transmitter (DarkNightNine suggested this in another thread) would work through the full magnesium frame of a 1DX.

A very good point made which I hadn't thought of.

I've heard this argument, but really, it would be pretty simple for them to run a couple of 'ribbon' antennas outside the magnesium alloy chassis and under the rubberized material.

 

[CTJohn]

As an amateur enthusiast, I moved from the T1i to a 7D over a year ago and love the 7D. The only reason I've been following this announcement is that I'd like better dynamic range and image quality (not that the 7D is bad.) This camera takes away the on camera flash, which I use to fire two remote 430EXII Speedlites, takes away what's been a great autofocus system on the 7D, and takes away FPS performance. It gives me GPS (which I never use on my S100) and WiFi, where I still don't understand the value when shooting in RAW. I don't know about the image quality at this point, but if it's not a major step up, Canon won't be getting my money. I have 3 L lenses, and the Speedlites, and tons of other Canon gear, so a switch to Nikon probably isn't in the works either. I hope competition gets Canon producing more complete solutions.

Just disappointed I guess.

 

[SwampYankee]

Well the low rent autofocus system and a top shutter speed less than my current 50D have put my wallet right back in my pocket. I have $2,600 burning a hole in my pocket and I don't think this camera is worth what they are asking. It really looks like they took out as much stuff as possible and hope the "full frame" would sell it. Disappointment. In another 6 months I'll be able to afford a 5D3. I think that is the way to go

Could of just about had one yesterday as they were selling the mark iii for $2750 on Adorama's ebay page.

I've heard that in a number of places. I look at canon price watch daily and I did not see this . Does Adorama have a separate ebay page? Do you have a link? I would have jumped on this but I keep missing these. Thanks

 

[ScottyP]

Does it have Micro Focus adjustment?

 

[brianleighty]

Well the low rent autofocus system and a top shutter speed less than my current 50D have put my wallet right back in my pocket. I have $2,600 burning a hole in my pocket and I don't think this camera is worth what they are asking. It really looks like they took out as much stuff as possible and hope the "full frame" would sell it. Disappointment. In another 6 months I'll be able to afford a 5D3. I think that is the way to go

Could of just about had one yesterday as they were selling the mark iii for $2750 on Adorama's ebay page.

I've heard that in a number of places. I look at canon price watch daily and I did not see this . Does Adorama have a separate ebay page? Do you have a link? I would have jumped on this but I keep missing these. Thanks

Slickdeals.net pretty much always has the deals up first. Setup an alert for Canon on there and whenever there's a post they'll email you right away. That's how I got my 5d mark ii and 24 105 for $2400.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

So much negativity - and there hasn't even been a review or image gallery yet.

To me, this could potentially be an interesting camera. But not at the current asking price. If this comes down a few hundred dollars over the next few months, it may actually be worth a look *IF* the image quality and high ISO performance match that of the 5D III.

As someone who prefers the reach of a "crop" 1.6x camera, if the image quality of FF is truly a step up- it may be something to think about...whether I could potentially have both. But FF cameras are just too expensive...even the most basic ones as we see here today.

 

[DB]

Does it have Micro Focus adjustment?

Yes, the new 6D does have Auto Focus Micro Adjustment, same as the 7D and 5D etc.

 

[htjunkie]

I was eagerly waiting for Canon's entry level FF camera after the uber-expensive 5D III was released. Then we heard about the D600, which got me really excited, and did NOT disappoint. Now, Canon has finally revealed their entry-level FF camera, and they DID disappoint, as well as clearly shown their intentions: continue milking their customers. They created that awful 6D to make sure that anybody serious about photography has no other choice than getting the 5D III. I am a 5D II owner, and the only upgrade path for me would be the 5D III at this point. I can't lose my joystick controller and my side buttons to that aberration of a 6D, right?

Well...screw you Canon. I will simply save up a little longer and get me a D600 with the 24-85mm kit lens, and keep my 5D II + Canon glass. This way I can get the best of both worlds. If Canon ever wakes up and start being competitive again, I can upgrade the 5D II with their new - decent - offering. But for now, will be joining the ranks of the satisfied Nikon shooters, and will be able to use the legendary 14-24mm for my landscapes.

 

[DJD]

Children,
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Cheers,
DJD

 

[Martin]

What the **** is this? A NEW camera.... funny

Maybe it is time to shut down the canon rumors as there is really nothing exciting about the new gear from Canon.

 

[Helevitia]

Can someone tell me what this means: 63-zone Dual-Level Metering Sensor?

I'm assuming it's to read the amount of light that the camera sees, correct? Also, how does that play a role with AF since they are bunched together in the specs? Thanks!

Also, I think wifi and gps are a gimmick. After 3 months, nobody will use wifi and gps will be used by the minority, IMHO.

 

[brianleighty]

So much negativity - and there hasn't even been a review or image gallery yet.

To me, this could potentially be an interesting camera. But not at the current asking price. If this comes down a few hundred dollars over the next few months, it may actually be worth a look *IF* the image quality and high ISO performance match that of the 5D III.

As someone who prefers the reach of a "crop" 1.6x camera, if the image quality of FF is truly a step up- it may be something to think about...whether I could potentially have both. But FF cameras are just too expensive...even the most basic ones as we see here today.

I agree with you there. At $2100 it's not worth it especially if you can get a deal like the other day on the 5D iii ($2750). For $650 more, it's a no brainer. But make it say $850 to $1000 more and then starts getting a little more tempting.

 

[Bruce Photography]

Where did you see the no AFMA? Other than that I can deal with the other stuff.

So has anyone CONFIRMED that there is no MFA or are we just playing chicken little?

The 6D does have AFMA. From the Canon USA EOS 6D page, Features section, in the description of the 11-pt AF system:

"For even more customization, adjustment levels for the wide-angle and telephoto ends of particular lenses can be entered and recorded into the camera’s memory."

So...yes to AFMA, and yes to W and T adjustments for zooms, like the 5DIII and 1D X.

But IMO, other than the -3 EV center point for low light shooting, there are really no redeeming characteristics of this AF system specification. Point spread no better than the 5DII, two more selectable points but four fewer points in terms of Servo tracking (which wasn't the 5DII's strong point anyway). Sure, the -3 EV is nice, but not salvation by any means given the frequency most users shoot in light that low (my 5DII, spec'd to -0.5 EV, could AF in light that needed ISO 25600).

Only one cross-type sensor, and that one not even a dual cross.

Now that the 60D's 9 cross-type AF with center f/2.8 dual cross has trickled down to the T4i/650D, IMO the Rebel line has a better AF system than the 6D.

+1. Thank You for being detailed enough to find that Microadjust statement. I was just reading features on DPR and the announcement and I didn't see it. Thank you again. By the way, I do love my 60D and the tiltable screen. If they got rid of the left buttons why didn't they incorporate a tilt screen? It is a consumer feature like gps and wireless connect my our phones. If this is their answer to "way cool" why not the tilt screen?

 

[borner]

I was eagerly waiting for Canon's entry level FF camera after the uber-expensive 5D III was released. Then we heard about the D600, which got me really excited, and did NOT disappoint. Now, Canon has finally revealed their entry-level FF camera, and they DID disappoint, as well as clearly shown their intentions: continue milking their customers. They created that awful 6D to make sure that anybody serious about photography has no other choice than getting the 5D III. I am a 5D II owner, and the only upgrade path for me would be the 5D III at this point. I can't lose my joystick controller and my side buttons to that aberration of a 6D, right?

Well...screw you Canon. I will simply save up a little longer and get me a D600 with the 24-85mm kit lens, and keep my 5D II + Canon glass. This way I can get the best of both worlds. If Canon ever wakes up and start being competitive again, I can upgrade the 5D II with their new - decent - offering. But for now, will be joining the ranks of the satisfied Nikon shooters, and will be able to use the legendary 14-24mm for my landscapes.

I'm with you - 5DmkI, and 5dMkII owner. LOTS of L glass. The trend that last few years for Canon is sad. I'm seriously considering the D600 or D800 and getting into the Nikon camp. Right now they have much better value IMHO. Canon clearly has an inflated sense of brand. Many of the faithful will stay loyal, as they do with Apple. But many others will jump ship. And I don't think they'll attract the fence straddlers and newcomers w/o adjusting their market approach. Just my $.02.

 

[Drizzt321]

If this is supposed to be video oriented, it certainly needed to do 1080p@60fps, clean uncompressed HDMI output, and preferably a headphone jack. Plus make sure it has the timecode like the 5d3 does, and other bits and pieces for the video codec in the 5d3. Oh, and as others are saying, phase detect AF similar to the T4i (even though it isn't great, it's something) and a swivel like the 60d. Dual slot (even dual SDXC) would be nice, and definitely the auto-rollover to a new file as needed.

The think I'm pissed about is how they didn't put GPS into my 5d3 (and 1dX). Least they could have done, and maybe if they needed an antenna there would be a cheap way for that to get plugged in. The WiFi I probably wouldn't use, but I can see how it might be useful now and then and I'd have though they would do that for the 5d3/1dX as well. I mean really, the 2 flagship models don't have something like this?

Personally, having shot the 5d2, if I were considering an upgrade the only things that would attract me would be the additional high ISO settings, and if I did video the 720p@60fps. That's it. I doubt I'd 'upgrade' to the 6d from the 5d2, especially since my CF cards wouldn't be compatible. Oh, and are the batteries compatible between 5d2/5d3 and the 6d? I love how they kept the same battery size between 5d2 and 5d3.