Canon continues its dominant hold on global market share for digital cameras

[Mt Spokane Photography]

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I have also seen entire BROADCAST TELEVISION commercials being shot on iPhone! So long you have good lighting and good cinematography and post producting imaging skills, ANY CAMERA can be used to make spectacular still photo and video images!

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I agree that any modern digital camera can make great photos and that the photographer is, as always, 90% of the image. I go back to first using my folks Brownie Hawkeye with 620 film in the early 1950's which took relatively poor quality photos compared with a cheap phone camera now. I've been editing a lot of scans of them using AI technology to recover blurry faces. My first Camera was an Argus C3 in the 1960's. The Kodachrome II slides I took with it are still in great condition, but the images don't match what my phone takes. A few years later, I bought a Canon FT QL with the kit 50mm lens, but I don't know what became of the negatives from 55 years ago. They are packed away somewhere. I have prints but would like to scan the negatives. There are some color polaroid ones as well. I need to scan what's left of the fading images, the color polaroids were quick and easy but not archival. The black and white ones are fine.

 

[neuroanatomist]

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Two years ago, I wanted to buy the drop in filter adapter. Not a single major or local retailer had them in stock, with either of the filter options. The vanilla adapter was also out of stock in many places at that time. They were available on eBay for well over MSRP. By @CJaurelius’ logic regarding the Fuji X100V, adapters must be very popular!

Incidentally, I found the ND version in stock at Red, which makes sense given they have an RF mount camera.

 

[EricN]

Two years ago, I wanted to buy the drop in filter adapter. Not a single major or local retailer had them in stock, with either of the filter options. The vanilla adapter was also out of stock in many places at that time. They were available on eBay for well over MSRP. By @CJaurelius’ logic regarding the Fuji X100V, adapters must be very popular!

Incidentally, I found the ND version in stock at Red, which makes sense given they have an RF mount camera.

Probably, @CJaurelius will say, "it's a moot point."

Have you heard of anyone modifying the adapter's filters? For example, putting in infrared.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Have you heard of anyone modifying the adapter's filters? For example, putting in infrared.

No need to modify, Kolari offers a wide array of filters, and they fit the Canon adapter:

Kolari R Drop-in Filter Set for EF-EOS R Lens Adapter – Kolari Vision

The unique, class-leading optics you’ve come to expect from Kolari Vision are now available to fit Canon’s next-generation form factor. Our Drop-in filters

kolarivision.com

 

[EricN]

No need to modify, Kolari offers a wide array of filters, and they fit the Canon adapter:

Kolari R Drop-in Filter Set for EF-EOS R Lens Adapter – Kolari Vision

The unique, class-leading optics you’ve come to expect from Kolari Vision are now available to fit Canon’s next-generation form factor. Our Drop-in filters

kolarivision.com

Thanks! I had seen them on B&H, but I was confused with another company that needed you to use their own adapter which had not great reviews.

 

[koenkooi]

Thanks! I had seen them on B&H, but I was confused with another company that needed you to use their own adapter which had not great reviews.

I think you have Breakthrough in mind.

 

[EricN]

I think you have Breakthrough in mind.

You're right! I remember the orange buttons...

 

[GoldWing]

So Canon isn’t d00med?

But…blocking 3rd party lenses. But…an RF lineup with no mid-range lenses. But…they changed the hotshoe design. But…Sony has ‘better’ lenses. But…Nikon has ‘better’ bodies. But…everyone I know has dumped Canon. But…Canon can’t compete.

Oh, right. All these ‘grave errors’ by Canon that exist in the minds of some forum participants don’t really matter in the real world.

 

[David - Sydney]

Aussies aren't into Veblen goods - they leave that to the Poms.

tell that to the significant women in my family who love their French/Italian leather goods and jewellry!
I am constantly reminded about how they should have bought X and Y back when it was sooo much cheaper and that they could sell their stuff for more than they bought it for (but never do)!

 

[David - Sydney]

One of the hardest cameras to get is the Fuji X100V

Pretty hard to get some new Canon super tele lenses as well

 

[David - Sydney]

I think his audience is representaive of people who are on Youtube looking up information about camera and therefore potential customers.

Perhaps.. but prospective buyers will not just look at one youtube channel for their information.
I certainly wouldn't answer one of their polls but I am just one data point. I also don't return Canon's "warranty cards" and they haven't specifically asked me for my feedback on their products either (which I would respond to).

 

[David - Sydney]

Based on what data? Please note that anecdotes and an uncontrolled YouTube channel poll do not constitute data.

It is still data but poorly defined and structured and difficult to content that it adds any value to a future or current trend.

 

[David - Sydney]

You forgot about all the EF and manual RF options...

EF won't go away in sales or second hand market but we have to agree it definitely will be discontinued. What will be more interesting is the "surprises" that Canon says are in store for the next 6 months. We are yet to be convinced though.

 

[EricN]

EF won't go away in sales or second hand market but we have to agree it definitely will be discontinued. What will be more interesting is the "surprises" that Canon says are in store for the next 6 months. We are yet to be convinced though.

I'm definitely looking forward to these surprises.

 

[David - Sydney]

People, especiall younger people coming in buying "new" cameras don't want to put an "old" lens on it with an adapter.

Most R mount adapter users are migrating from EF to RF lenses and have existing EF lenses. That user base certainly hasn't completely migrated yet - including the 1DX users. There is a good likelihood that they will continue with Canon whether due to support or existing lenses or familiarity. These are still "new" buyers and will use adapters.

I am less convinced about the trends for younger new buyers. Streaming/vlogging tends to be a younger market that starts from smartphones and then makes (significant) jump up for the next level of production with dedicated mics, lighting, lenses and mixing. They are learning from others doing the same thing. Canon is in that market but maybe not dominant. The question for Canon is whether that market will be significantly profitable enough to really dig into it today vs the higher profit segment at the mid-higher end targeting cashed-up older users (such as myself and others on this forum).

Canon doesn't have to win every segment to be successful overall.

Here is a link to a Youtuber who shoots on Canon. He covers the news on all the major brands but personally shoots on Canon and therefore most of his videos are about Canon. So it's like he's biased agaisnt Canon as its what he prefers. He ran a poll on his channel....
Listen to his analysis. We can argue over the quality of the older lenses and wheter they work well on new cameras with the adapter or not. Buy perception is reality. People want new. Expecially in a world of social media where the look of your gear can be just as important as the actual quality.

The quality of that data is poor as you would know but I guess it is still a data point of some small value. Using it against overall camera sales volume is a different story though. Canon has nearly half of the overall market.
This is despite Sony's best efforts over a decade in the market and with ~6 years of being the only volume FF MILC seller. Sony can make good stuff but it seems to have affected Nikon more than Canon.
Canon wins some segments better than others and irrespective of individual quality/value/cost etc per item.

Clearly stores etc with real people whose lives depend on selling camera (and not ads) are still seeing Canon as the predominant market leader.
If you then say that no one is going into stores anymore and there is certainly a big change there, then the online sales are still being dominated by Canon despite the youtuber/influencers and younger buyers.

I think that you are trying to make a longer term guess that Canon won't win because they aren't doing it now and yet they are now 5 years into the R mount with 12 R bodies. Their native lens range is profitable ie sustainable for future R&D. Sony didn't have a choice but to allow 3rd party lenses. Their initial switchers were adapting Canon lenses and they needed 3rd party native support Because Sony didn't (at the time) have the ability to release a wide range of native stuff.

 

[EricN]

Perhaps.. but prospective buyers will not just look at one youtube channel for their information.
I certainly wouldn't answer one of their polls but I am just one data point. I also don't return Canon's "warranty cards" and they haven't specifically asked me for my feedback on their products either (which I would respond to).

I prefer to skim through reading a review that I can choose to focus on only the important information more than watch a youtube video because I really don't need to hear, "Don't forget to like and subscribe" or listen to 5 minutes of filler with b-roll footage in a 7 minute video. Do youtubers have some financial motivation for making videos longer?

 

[koenkooi]

I prefer to skim through reading a review that I can choose to focus on only the important information more than watch a youtube video because I really don't need to hear, "Don't forget to like and subscribe" or listen to 5 minutes of filler with b-roll footage in a 7 minute video. Do youtubers have some financial motivation for making videos longer?

Yes, the ‘algorithm’ is believed to like videos of a certain length, going longer
means youtube will insert adds in the middle. And 7 minutes fits inside a smoke/coffee break.

 

[David - Sydney]

I prefer to skim through reading a review that I can choose to focus on only the important information more than watch a youtube video because I really don't need to hear, "Don't forget to like and subscribe" or listen to 5 minutes of filler with b-roll footage in a 7 minute video. Do youtubers have some financial motivation for making videos longer?

I agree... I prefer to skim read a written review (are our attention spans getting shorter!?!) than listen to a long form video.
Even when I do watch a video, I tend to skip the intro and use 1.5x speed until there is something that I am interested in.
Perhaps they like listening to their own voice... I've sat through a few sermons that I could have caught up on sleep

 

[EricN]

are our attention spans getting shorter!?!

I don't think it is about attention span as much as they are attempting to provide infotainment, but in most cases it's not very entertaining (at least for me). Not only myself, but I read others say that some of them are either providing questionable or even inaccurate information.

 

[neuroanatomist]

It is still data but poorly defined and structured and difficult to content that it adds any value to a future or current trend.

As was pointed out, it's biased information and utterly fails to support the point @CJaurelius was trying (and failing) to make. Look at the question posed by the poll:

"While I could buy Sigma and Tamron EF glass and adapt it to my Canon R system camera using Canons EF to RF adapter, I'm not willing to do this because:"

The very nature of the poll was intended to exclude those people who choose to use adapters, or use them with Canon EF glass. How is information on why people who don't want to use adapters with 3rd party EF-mount lenses feel that way relevant to the question of how many people use or don't use adapters? Rhetorical question, it's not.

Recap by analogy:

@CJaurelius – "No one likes apples."

Forum – "Provide evidence to support that claim."

@CJaurelius – "Here's a youtube poll showing that people who say they don't like apples don't like them because they have worms."

Forum – "That utterly fails to support your claim."

@CJaurelius – "Then you prove that people do like apples."

Forum – "LOL"

@CJaurelius – slinks back to his troll cave