Canon Germany addresses recent Viltrox RF mount lens demands, and it’s a case of patent infrigement

The World is falling apart. Pakistan is about a third under water, Europe is going bust because of fuel costs, poorer countries are facing starvation, Russia might nuke Ukraine, global temperatures are on the up and tensions are everwhere. Perhaps Canon is just a diversion from this - but they are among the least of my concerns.
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At this stage I would say it's a risk buying a third party RF lens. The continued firmware updates in the RF system could make the lenses fail to work properly as it is not Canon's responsibility to ensure the continued support of any third party lens. If anyone has a third party RF lens that's currently working then the only way to guarantee it won't have issues is to not update the firmware and keep it on the same body. Adapting third party EF lenses to RF could also lead to issues in the future as well, but less of a chance.

If they really wanted to get rid of the third party lenses they could also remove the feature "Release shutter w/o lens" this would remove all of the unchipped manual focus and aperture RF/EF lenses as the shutter won't work if it can't see a lens attached.

I can see Canon getting a lot of support requests saying things such as "I just updated my R10 and now my Sigma lens doesn't work when I use this function"

It would probably be best if they can provide a license to the third parties in the future so they can have the official code to run the lenses.
Yep, I'm pretty much locked into my current work kit now - I have firmware 1.4 and firmware 1.6 on 2x EOS RPs. Both my Samyang RF autofocus lenses work at present, so yeah, I'm not updating in the future.
 
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The price of the cameras should recover the R&D costs. Those cameras are not cheap at all. I could understand the argument if Canon subsidized cameras for selling lenses later.
Hahahaha, so you expect Canon to make the RF bodies and lenses even more expensive?

Don't you think it's better for everyone if Canon sells *more* lenses (as opposed to giving part of the market to third parties), rather than increasing the price of their lenses and bodies even further?
 
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Don't you think it's better for everyone if Canon sells *more* lenses (as opposed to giving part of the market to third parties), rather than increasing the price of their lenses and bodies even further?
Why wasn't that a problem for Canon DLRSs? They had a lot of third party competition, although they were cheaper than their RF counterparts. The R1 will probably cost $7500 or more in order to not cannibalize the R3.
 
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Why wasn't that a problem for Canon DLRSs? They had a lot of third party competition, although they were cheaper than their RF counterparts.
How do you know it wasn't? I'd argue that the fact Canon is taking steps to block 3rd parties from making RF mount lenses suggests that it was a problem for Canon's DSLRs, but not one they could solve legally because their intellectual property rights on the EF mount had lapsed. As I already stated, you really seem to be just making this crap up as you post it.
 
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The World is falling apart. Pakistan is about a third under water, Europe is going bust because of fuel costs, poorer countries are facing starvation, Russia might nuke Ukraine, global temperatures are on the up and tensions are everwhere. Perhaps Canon is just a diversion from this - but they are among the least of my concerns.
Couldn't agree more, the world is in a decidedly scary place, and very unstable.

So why are you here, rather than posting on political websites, or challenging energy companies etc?

I'm here were here because I want to share my own experiences and opinions, and perhaps learn from others; and because I might occasionally get a glimpse of what future products Canon produce. Also, despite occasional rudeness from one or two individuals, being her is fun.
 
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Couldn't agree more, the world is in a decidedly scary place, and very unstable.

So why are you here, rather than posting on political websites, or challenging energy companies etc?

I'm here were here because I want to share my own experiences and opinions, and perhaps learn from others; and because I might occasionally get a glimpse of what future products Canon produce. Also, despite occasional rudeness from one or two individuals, being her is fun.
I post 100s of images here and you post none. I post threads that are useful and share far, far more information than you. So don't be so damned rude yourself.
 
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Edit: I created this table for easier comparison

I googled this timeline so everyone's on the same page.
Brand​
Canon​
Sony​
Nikon​
Full Frame Mirrorless Mount announced​
2018
2010
2018
3rd party lens license​
N/A​
2021
Last dSLR body announced​
Feb 2020​
Sep 2016​
Jan 2020​
Last dSLR body model​
2019 Brand ranking​
#1​
#2​
#3​
End of dSLR manufacturing​
2026(?)​
2021
2026(?)​
As of Today on BHPhoto
Brand​
Canon​
Sony​
Nikon​
Age of Full Frame Mirrorless Mount​
4​
12​
4​
# Lens-only SKU with USA warranty​
30​
63​
29​
# Full Frame Body-only SKU with USA warranty​
5​
9​
4​
# Future lens roadmap by 2026​
32
N/A
3

It has been reported that Canon Japan's CEO committed to 32 new lenses by year 2026.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canons-roadmap-includes-32-new-lenses-by-2026-according-to-canons-ceo/

30 current Canon-branded RF lenses + 32 future lenses = 62 unique lens SKUs before year 2027

vs

63 current Sony-branded E lenses + unknown future lenses.

It is guaranteed Sony/everyone else will release new lens SKUs that are

- updates to ~10 year old E mount lenses
- equivalent counterpart lenses of their 1st party & 3rd party competitors
- unique focal lengths & apertures that Sony pioneered

From 2018-2022 Canon & Nikon have both put out key focal lengths that photo news agencies & journalists need in their work.
Thank you for creating this chart.
The lens that I, as a photojournalist/member of the Press, most want for my EOS R3's, is a native RF, L-Series 28-300. This broadly useful lens does not appear on the Canon roadmap, and no third-party lens manufacturers (especially Tamron and Sigma) make it as a native RF lens, so I am forced to compromise by shooting with the consumer-grade, non- weather sealed, no manual focus switch, 24-240 RF. I am too invested in Canon to switch now but should I have gotten the Nikon Z9 instead, since Nikon is playing nice with Tamron, regarding its Z mirrorless mount?
 
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Nikon and Sony have both at times had more compelling options than Canon. That has never stopped Canon from selling more of one of their bodies like the 5D II or III than the entire combined bodies sold by both Nikon and Sony combined.

Canon right now have the technology lead and their sub super tele options are all fantastic. They won’t change how they do things unless/until somehow half of their user base switches their buying habits to another brand.

I switched to Nikon for the most part. Not because Canon where bad or too expensive. I switched to have a change of pace and it turned out fantastic as I now have a 400 f/4.5 and 800 f/6.3 that I can’t get anywhere else. It is incredibly rare for someone to switch and Canon knows it. It was only logical for me as my main lenses where ageing.
After 50 years of shooting Nikon, I sold my huge selection of Nikon F-Mount gear and switched cold turkey (long, painful, expensive story) to Canon: EOS R3, because of its excellent car-tracking auto-focus mode (I shoot auto racing). However, I desperately want a native RF, L-Series 28-300 (my favorite lens — BY FAR — for my photo journalism). In retrospect, perhaps I should have stayed with Nikon and waited for their Z9 pro mirrorless. I still am turning the lenses the 'wrong' way to zoom in and out at critical times.
 
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After 50 years of shooting Nikon, I sold my huge selection of Nikon F-Mount gear and switched cold turkey (long, painful, expensive story) to Canon: EOS R3, because of its excellent car-tracking auto-focus mode (I shoot auto racing). However, I desperately want a native RF, L-Series 28-300 (my favorite lens — BY FAR — for my photo journalism). In retrospect, perhaps I should have stayed with Nikon and waited for their Z9 pro mirrorless. I still am turning the lenses the 'wrong' way to zoom in and out at critical times.
I wouldn't go second guessing yourself now, I would say you made a good choice to switch to Canon. Perhaps not a logical choice, but assuredly a fun one if. Nikon do have some amazing lenses just now, but after 50 years you get to learn a new system and try out its lenses and the back catalog of EF lenses. I very much am enjoying the Z9 just now, perhaps in another 20 years I'll go back to Canon or maybe some new system. Presumably the RF and Z mounts wont live as long as the EF and F.
 
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The price of the cameras should recover the R&D costs. Those cameras are not cheap at all. I could understand the argument if Canon subsidized cameras for selling lenses later.
Nope, doesn't work. Take the R7 for example:
the price is very competitive because Canon expects an R7 will be about three lenses:
- a wide APS-C
- an all-around lense
- at least one wildlife lense...maybe even such as 100-500mm plus an extender or a 800mm F11.

If cameras would cover all R&D costs, the cameras would be incredible expensive...
 
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I post 100s of images here and you post none. I post threads that are useful and share far, far more information than you. So don't be so damned rude yourself.
No rudeness or offence was intended, you are misinterpreting and over-reacting Alan. It was you who raised the changed the subject from photography and gear, to world problems. I agreed with you, and then asked why, if you are so concerned about these issues, are you spending your time here, rather than participating in political and environmental forums etc. Seems like a fair and straightforward question to me, and not in any way rude.
 
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No rudeness or offence was intended, you are misinterpreting and over-reacting Alan. It was you who raised the changed the subject from photography and gear, to world problems. I agreed with you, and then asked why, if you are so concerned about these issues, are you spending your time here, rather than participating in political and environmental forums etc. Seems like a fair and straightforward question to me, and not in any way rude.
There was no need for you to have posted a rhetorical question, which what it was.
 
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After 50 years of shooting Nikon, I sold my huge selection of Nikon F-Mount gear and switched cold turkey (long, painful, expensive story) to Canon: EOS R3, because of its excellent car-tracking auto-focus mode (I shoot auto racing). However, I desperately want a native RF, L-Series 28-300 (my favorite lens — BY FAR — for my photo journalism). In retrospect, perhaps I should have stayed with Nikon and waited for their Z9 pro mirrorless. I still am turning the lenses the 'wrong' way to zoom in and out at critical times.
I'm afraid that's the price anyone pays when they switch brands - it can take quite a while for "muscle memory" to adapt to a new brand, or even a new model from a brand you're already using.

There's a bit of an anomaly here - I get the distinct impression that Canon and Nikon strive to deliberately make their cameras different in terms of button positioning and dial turning direction, (presumably to make it harder to switch), yet they allow us to customise the direction of turning of certain controls, which of course makes it *easier* to switch brands.
 
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But how does that IS interact with the IBIS in the body? With Canon RF lenses on an RF body you get something substantially better compared to just ILIS, with Sigma EF lenses on an RF body you get something substantially worse.
Idk about pre-GV lenses, but this hasn't been my experience with any of the Sigma GV lenses (I have a bunch, including one with OIS).
 
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