Canon has delayed the next EOS R5 Mark II shipments by potentially 6 months.
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Lol, anything coming out in the next 6 months has been under development for 2 or more years.
Agreed. If you want an "action" camera--one that shoots more than 10fps--Sony wants to push you to the A1 or A9 lines. Hopefully, Sony realizes soon that this strategy is unsustainable. I know that I immediately jumped from the A7RIV to the R5 on release because Sony didn't have a high-resolution action-oriented camera at the time. I'm glad I did, because the subsequently introduced A1 was at a price point higher than I wanted to pay.
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Exactly the problem with an announcement at an odd time.
Typically, cameras are announced in either the Summer Vacation market or the Christmas Shopping market.
- The Summer Vacation announcement window goes from May through July but peaks in June.
- The Christmas Shopping announcement window goes from August through October but peaks in October.
This is true for all the vendors and is why we go from a glut of announcements to months of "no news". Virtually nobody announces a camera in the six months of November through April.
The Canon announcements were at an odd time. This means they won't have product in stores for Christmas shopping because the initial production run was sold out before then. It also means they don't have a product getting press during that buying cycle's time frame. That's the trade-off you make for announcing in August rather than October. You get more months of sales but less buzz in the peak buying window. But that trade-off only works if you have inventory to sell during that window.
Having shortages in January isn't a problem since nobody buys in January but shortages in December are a killer. When I worked in a pro-level shop (granted, a long time ago) we sold more cameras in the peak week of December than in the entire first quarter of the year.
When I worked on products that had a physical component (so not things like software or web sites) and targeted the retail market, I saw products miss their release to manufacturing deadline in June by a few days and have their announcement held until the next Spring because releasing the product to manufacturing in July meant there was no way to get inventory manufactured and distributed to retail stores in sufficient quantity during the Christmas shopping season. It was better to be late nearly a year than to have product announced that people couldn't get in their hands.
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It is a pity. Being told another BIG delay in my R5 II. They do not know, if shipping will happen in 2024! OMG.
Guys, this is not nice at all.
We are not back in pandemic. Could have expected from Canon to mention at the announcement, that the R5 II will be shipped in some month. This would have been more transparent.
BTW: My pro-dealer told me, that they just got a hand full of bodies - but they´ve more than two hundred preoders.
Can´t understand why the did not be more transparent. Just look at Apple - They announce new high-end products (and quickly sell a large number of their MB´s) - and you get it very soon.
Guys, this is not nice at all.
We are not back in pandemic. Could have expected from Canon to mention at the announcement, that the R5 II will be shipped in some month. This would have been more transparent.
BTW: My pro-dealer told me, that they just got a hand full of bodies - but they´ve more than two hundred preoders.
Can´t understand why the did not be more transparent. Just look at Apple - They announce new high-end products (and quickly sell a large number of their MB´s) - and you get it very soon.
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Thank you. Not so much about this case where it was announcing before they had sufficient inventory but something I wish people would think about when they say "Oh, Brand X' new camera has that feature as a response to Brand Y's new camera they released last month". If two companies both have a new feature in a new model that came out at about the same time, it's because the tech to make that new feature came out and engineers at both companies figured out how to use it.
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josephandrews222
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...still curious to see exactly one (and only one) lens on Canon's list (the 200-800):
Supply chain issues don't seem to make sense here. Or do they?
EDIT: link added for clarity/simplicity; also linked in the article
Supply chain issues don't seem to make sense here. Or do they?
EDIT: link added for clarity/simplicity; also linked in the article
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With Sony you never know if they have something ready to come out at any time. The A1 was fantastic when it came out and had a far out price to match....it's been around 4 years now though and everyone has something similar but the A1 hasn't come down in price. Luckily I haven't owned a stacked sensor camera yet so I don't know what I'm missing. The R5 and A7RV are both great cameras, and the Z8 and R5II are for the most part the upgrades I have been wanting for the price I'm able to pay. Sony isn't in the picture unless they surprise us really soon. I'm just not willing to get a whole new set of lenses to go Z8 (and the autofocus isn't quite as good as either Canon or Sony yet). So I wait and watch and my poor 500mm lens sits in its case through bear season this year.
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They might if that particular lens needs an uncommon type of optical glass that isn't available right now and the other lenses using that glass have plenty of inventory. It's not like lenses are all being manufactured all the time. They're done in batches usually large enough to provide inventory for several years. When the inventory from that batch gets low in the global and regional warehouses, the decision is made on whether to make a new batch or discontinue that lens.
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As I pointed out in another post, camera announcements from all vendors happen almost totally from May through October and virtually none happen in the six months from November through April. They'll either surprise us in the next two months or it will be a fairly long wait. Now, development announcements can happen at any time but that can be totally meaningless for planning.
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I’ve been wondering if this is the case regarding the 200-800. The early reviews were mixed and there were sharpness complaints from several owners which makes me wonder whether there was a production issue and if the current delays are partially QA/QC related. Nearly a year after announcement and still long wait lists in many areas.
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I'm really not expecting anything from Sony at the moment, they have been really quiet on the camera front except for a few low end "vlogging" cameras. I think if they had something ready they would have tried to spoil Canon's announcement. In all likelihood I'm waiting for at least 6 months on the R5II at this point and I'm ok with that. The only other thing that is intriguing me at the moment is the Fuji GFX II and their 500mm lens but that would be used just for big animals for huge prints and I doubt I will throw that much money on such a specialized setup when the A7RV can do well enough on that front.
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Honestly, with every lens or camera there is the "preorders were significantly higher than anticipated..."... it is really annoying. If this happens once or twice, I'm fine with. But if it happens EVERY SINGLE time Canon announces something, there is a at least one department that does shitty work... it could be bad market research (for having wrong estimates ALL THE TIME), marketing (for using the same phrases as an excuse over and over again), production planning or acquisition of raw materials.
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Well even that is on backorder according to the list. So there seems to be at least some demand for extra ones. Maybe to replace those that broke under brute-force ;-)
Regarding the 200-800 backorder: It might not even be special parts that are out of supply but maybe Canon just prioritizes other lenses that need the same parts. Especially when they only have limited production capabilities then I could understand if they allocate them to other lenses like the 100-500 which makes them more profit then a "relatively" cheap lens.
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I just gave Canon Canada a call.
Their representative was quite clear, there are *no* more bodies available for now. Full stop. Whatever comes will be sent out to Dealers for fulfil the existing orders but it can take up to 6 months.
I'm about 25th position according to Henry's. Might as well cancel and wait.
Their representative was quite clear, there are *no* more bodies available for now. Full stop. Whatever comes will be sent out to Dealers for fulfil the existing orders but it can take up to 6 months.
I'm about 25th position according to Henry's. Might as well cancel and wait.
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It can make sense on a product that is either radically different than its predecessor or a new entry into the market even if it is just new from that vendor. There's no excuse for being wildly wrong on likely demand for a revision to an existing product that's already established in the market. For example, when the R3 was announced it was the first full-size, pro-grade, sports-optimized mirrorless from Canon. How that would sell had a lot of open issues and Canon guessing wrong would be understandable. Not good but at least understandable. But being wildly wrong on the "Mark II" of an existing product like the R5? And being wrong on the low side? Sorry. No justification.
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I doubt if it is QC issue. The 200-800 is tack sharp up to about 600mm and then gets worse. It’s the design of the lens most likely. Even the 100-500 is not optimized for its longest focal length.
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In the Netherlands they break up the kits: retailers sell the body for the regular “body only” price and they sell the lens separately as “unboxed” or “bulk” at a slightly lower price than the regular (i.e. boxed) version of the lens.
I suspect that retailers in other countries do that as well.
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