Canon has delayed the next EOS R5 Mark II shipments by potentially 6 months.

[Del Paso]

I agree with your reasoning, but the R5 has a stacked sensor. My understanding is that manufacturing a stacked sensor is much more complicated than manufacturing a non-stacked sensor. The R5 Mk II sensor is “only” the second (or third if you include the sensor of the R1) stacked full frame sensor that Canon has made.
Maybe it is production capacity that causes these long waiting times. If production capacity is smaller than demand, you can 1) introduce the product into the market and accept long waiting times for new orders or 2) try to increase production capacity and delay product introduction until production capacity meets demand.
Option 1 will bring revenue, option 2 comes with additional costs and no revenue. Both will bring dissatisfied customers. Which would you choose?

I chose option 3: gimme, and gimme quick or I'll jump you know what!

 

[JESPhoto]

To be honest, I don\'t get it.

First they\'re late to develop, then they\'re late to announce, now they\'re late to ship?

Not sure about other brands - but never heard of such problems with Nikon or Sony. They just produce and sell on the go.

I shot Nikon for 30+ years before switching over to Canon. The issues Canon have are not unique to that brand. The Nikon D850 back orders took over a year to clear out. The Nikon 500mm PF lens was backordered and limited supply for well over a year. The Nikon D500 shipped to stores the first allocation and availability was spotty for at least 6 months after. The Nikon 180-600Z lens was on short supply for about 6 months. I cannot speak to Sony since I've never shot them but would suspect they have some similar issues. However, I can speak with personal experience on the Nikon side. I ended up getting tired of waiting for over a year for a D850 and bought a D500 used from a friend who had purchased it for shooting high school sports but realized that wasn't as attractive as he thought so he sold the D500. They were still in short supply new so his used price was only a hundred dollars or so below new. It had about 8,000 shutter actuations so no worries. I ended up putting over 200,000 on it before selling it and getting an R7.

 

[Viggo]

Just some practical advice: Never sell something you use in anticipation of receiving the replacement. Once you have the replacement in hand and it works then sell the previously used device.

I simply dont have the cash to just buy a 5555 dollar camera without selling my old one. And the used prices here on the R5 plummet once the new one is out. I lost 2540 dollars on my R5 from what I paid new so any further lower and I couldn’t get the mkII.. And there was absolutely no talk about not being able to get a mkII for 6 months either. And as others have mentioned, all the previous cameras could be bought fairly immediately , even with all the COVID shortage in parts..

 

[Exploreshootshare]

If anything, constrained initial supply will lead to a longer delay before price drops, meaning more profit for Canon long term.

I seriously doubt that. First of all, didn't Sony just claim No 1 spot with mirror-less cameras with just over 50%? Of course, this was only in Japan. But not having cameras and lenses available might make people, who have invested in Canon gear heavily, bitch and moan but wait patiently after all. Worst thing here is a Canon user buying a camera which offers lower profits for Canon e.g. now opting for a refurbished R5 instead of waiting for the R5mkii to be delivered.

There are also those buyers, who do research, look at cameras and decide. And then, all the sudden, the camera or lens is not available and they go with something else. I´ve seen it in camera stores quite often and friends of mine acted the same way. They chose the Nikon Z50 or Z6 (in 2021) and both were not available so they ended up with a Lumix. In the end, some sales are made because people need a camera NOW or very soon and Canon is losing out on these sales at the moment.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I bought mine in Italy for Euro 860 (new, from an official Canon dealer), and enjoyed afterwards Euro 100 cashback!
I didn't like it. As you wrote, it was good, useful, but far from great. It never surprised me in a positive way. One year later, I sold it for 1000 and replaced it with primes.
In those times, when you wanted something, you went to a shop and simply bought it.

Good job! That´s what should've done I got mine for 800 € due to cash back, kit lens rebate and a in-store 10% off. I should have sold during covid, but no interesting alternative was available...so, I still have it and the prices have gone down. I´m still considering selling it because I at least won´t lose money on it.

 

[Berowne]

Perhaps the R5Mk II is delayed until all the R5 are sold? Only guessing ...

 

[neuroanatomist]

First of all, didn't Sony just claim No 1 spot with mirror-less cameras with just over 50%? Of course, this was only in Japan.

I really don't want to know what nether orifice people pull these 'facts' out of. I wish people would actually check their information before they make blatantly false claims, but that probably too much to ask.

The answer to your question is no, they didn't. They took the #1 spot in Japan (for the first half of 2024) with a 33% market share compared to Canon's 26% market share. Numerically, that difference means Sony sold 3,000 more cameras than Canon over that 6 month period.

Globally, in 2023 Canon had 41% of the mirrorless market vs. Sony at 31%. Numerically, that difference means that Canon sold about 483,000 more cameras than Sony...160 times more than the difference you seem to think is so significant.

For the past decade Canon has maintained nearly 50% share of the digital camera market. As I said...the R5II delays are a tempest in a teapot.

 

[stochasticmotions]

The Z8 AF may be measurably inferior but in practice there won't be many shots you'll miss that you would have gotten with Canon or Sony gear. But I agree, buying into a new system without lenses when you already have an existing kit is not advisable (I rarely follow my own advice ).

I suspect Sony is working on an A1 successor (no idea what novel features it will offer--a global shutter?). When that body is ready, Sony will almost certainly lower the A1 price to be more competitive with the Canon and Nikon offerings.

I already have a mostly full set of lenses for both Canon and Sony currently buying a third set might just be a little too silly unless I was one of those people with more money than I knew what to do with (wouldn't mind having that issue). I hope you are right on the A1 dropping in price as it really is still for me the best of the bunch even if relatively old now. If that happened then I would likely, finally, sell off the big white which is the only reason I have been eager to buy new Canon cameras for the last couple of years. I probably will never sell the other old EF lenses as I will keep that 5DS and my Elan 7e as long as they both still work.

 

[Absolutic]

Before the launch of the Canon EOS R5 Mark II, we talked about the delivery schedule that was told to dealers for inventory. We mentioned that Canon was going to have the initial allocation, and then the last week of August there would be another, and then again in mid-September. That is apparently not happening,

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I just went to amazon.com (US) and typed R5M2 body. It says "OVER 100 SOLD this month" and availability in a month or two. I typed R6M2 body and it says "Over 400 SOLD this month". Which tells me that amazon tells you how many of each item they sell, updated by 100.

This tells me that initial allotment of R5M2 bodies to amazon was somewhere between 100 and 200 units. Otherwise it would have said "Over 200 sold this month." Between 100 and 200 of body only is not much for amazon.com. I don't know if that's what amazon wanted to order, or that's all that Canon sent them. If all Canon sent amazon was between 100 to 200 of body only, I can't imagine other big camera stores like B&H or Adorama getting more units than amazon. Thoughts?

 

[Ian K]

I hate to say it but I ordered the R5 Mark II as soon as the notification came through from Wex. This happened about half way through the announcement video presentation. I got it on the 21st (because I was away on the 20th). The two extra batteries showed up on the 28th. UK supplies were certainly available. I doubt the US got any special treatment from a Japanese company. It's likely shipments went in proportion to the number of orders placed.

 

[frankchn]

I just went to amazon.com (US) and typed R5M2 body. It says "OVER 100 SOLD this month" and availability in a month or two. I typed R6M2 body and it says "Over 400 SOLD this month". Which tells me that amazon tells you how many of each item they sell, updated by 100.

This tells me that initial allotment of R5M2 bodies to amazon was somewhere between 100 and 200 units. Otherwise it would have said "Over 200 sold this month." Between 100 and 200 of body only is not much for amazon.com. I don't know if that's what amazon wanted to order, or that's all that Canon sent them. If all Canon sent amazon was between 100 to 200 of body only, I can't imagine other big camera stores like B&H or Adorama getting more units than amazon. Thoughts?

I would not be surprised if B&H gets more allocation than Amazon. B&H has the Payboo card where they will take the sales tax hit, and I order most high dollar camera equipment from them nowadays.

B&H did completely sell through their entire pre-order list and they still have ready stock of the R5II + 24-105L kit, so they might well have received more.

 

[RFH]

Come one, come all…..My R5 Battery is for sale for 327.85+shipping if interested. Lighly used. You can buy the camera too. 6523.12, but the battery is not included. I’ll send overnite.

 

[trowski]

The kit seems to still be available at most retailers including B&H. Very tempting, but I have a 24-105 f/4 already… anyone want to buy an unused copy for $1000 next week?

 

[OldDudePhotog]

The kit seems to still be available at most retailers including B&H. Very tempting, but I have a 24-105 f/4 already… anyone want to buy an unused copy for $1000 next week?

I might take you up on that, I have thought about buying another so I can give my current one to my son with my old R5.

 

[gmon750]

#firstworldproblems

Honestly, supply chain issues has been an issue since COVID, and post-COVID. It just cracks me up listening to people come up with conspiracy theories as to why they can't get their hands on a shiny new toy. When the original R5 was introduced during COVID, it was what, at least six months before people were able to get their hands on one, and it was really more like a year later.

Find something else to do with your time. Maybe use your old camera a little longer?

Jeez...

 

[Grimmjon75]

The only R5 Mark II available in the US is the kit? Well that's just not true. I picked up my R5 Mark II body the other day for my local camera shop and they had four more body only on the shelf along with three kits.

 

[alFR]

The only R5 Mark II available in the US is the kit? Well that's just not true. I picked up my R5 Mark II body the other day for my local camera shop and they had four more body only on the shelf along with three kits.

I think this is what people find frustrating: not the delays per se (very much a first world problem, I agree) but the disparity between regions e.g. between the above and the UK, where no-one has any stock at all and retailers are saying they won’t have for months.

 

[tomscott]

I really hope there aren't issues. Duade Pattons video was the first ive seen with apparent reported issues. Its not surprising being a brand new camera, early adoption is always a risk you take.

Personally I don't think its a good idea to buy and expect day one for it to be perfect. That being said it should be stable, bugs are inevitable especially when they are so complex.

Also think people are mad to sell their current camera in anticipation, pretty poor decision if you're making a living with your tools with the above in mind. Same with any tech product.

On the preowned market. at least here in the UK the stores can't keep the R5 in stock ive been looking to buy an R5 and the grey market are selling for around £2000 so that's what im aiming for a lightly used R5. The MSRP was £4200 and they sitting at £3650 even now, preowned they come and go within hours, my go to is London camera exchange as they seem best value and their lightly used cameras are £2400, MPB its £2650 and WEX are always on the higher end.

With this news I doubt there will be any deals to be had anytime soon on the R5.

Suppose the crooks is that the R5 now feels its age with the updates to the R5II but the R5 may have a little spike in value as a lot of people have been waiting to jump in when the R5II was announced but the R5 also seems in short supply and you would be mad to pay full retail for one. Also with this news I would think people will hang onto their R5s for longer meaning your kind of in no mans land in points of purchase. I suspect they will drop off pretty significantly when the R5II starts to be more readily available meaning buying one now isnt a great decision either.

The R5 has kept its value incredibly well and there are very few retail deals to be had. Different situation but the 5D4 dropped like a rock. Within 2 years of launch it was available for £2200 and the R5 is £3650. IMO it's still too much but the market obviously disagrees. Its an incredible camera but is in its own niche because I think the 24mp is just too big of a gap for previous 5 series shooters.

I think it's an odd situ the R5 being double the MP of its nearest sibling, offering only 24 and 45mp options. I know its cost as they develop their own sensors and the video options but upgraders from DSLRs going to an R6 at 20mp or an r6II with 24 is a backward step imo but then the jump from 24 to 45 is a big gap just feels like there is a middle resolution that is missing. I personally love the 30mp in the 5DMKIV but do crave for more especially with wildlife in the UK.

Same with the R3 and R1 both incredibly niche cameras and are stepping stones between in actuality and can't see the R1 selling in any large volume. Petapixel also mentioned in a recent pod that the sales volumes of the R3 havent been great and they are sitting on a huge amount of stock. B&H showing a POA atm on the website.

Litstening to the Petapixel podcast of both the launch day and the after thoughts. The launch sounded pretty poor for the calibre of cameras, 5 hours on hand with 2 hours of travel and an hour lunch break, the R1 with multiple states of firmware with people having issues all over the place and they were in Arizona in August where it was over 38deg C in a basketball court with kids. Doesn't sound like typical Canon. Then the layoffs of popular people like Rudy Winston.

On the subsequent episodes of conversation it's not that they are bad cameras far from it but Canon isnt at the forefront either especially when you consider this camera won't be replaced until 2028/9 and is a bit late to the party with the Z8/9 and A1 offering similar specs for quite a while. There are still a huge amount of pro and prosumers on DSLRs and with the mount change inevitably to get the benefit you need to move to RF glass and with the mount shut off to anyone but canon and with canon making impressive but also compromised options and Nikon for example making some pretty cool offerings. Ive been a canon shooter for 20 years and taking the tin foil hat off and opening up to other options the R5II isnt the clear cut option especially with issues of supply and cost.

That being said reality and spec sheets are two different things and still looking forward to more reviews and convos. I was really hoping for a class leading sensor speed, its good, but knowing there is better on the market makes dropping the inevitable 15+K on a couple of bodies and some new trinity lenses a bit less enticing even tho I can adapt I don't want to be dealing with adapters all the time.

 

[Austintatious]

What about the R5C Mk.2?

 

[frankchn]

The only R5 Mark II available in the US is the kit? Well that's just not true. I picked up my R5 Mark II body the other day for my local camera shop and they had four more body only on the shelf along with three kits.

It is currently in stock as a kit on B&H and Adorama. If you want only the body right now, you have to get on a waitlist at those stores.