Canon has delayed the next EOS R5 Mark II shipments by potentially 6 months.
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Vaporware is promoting something that does not actually exist. The first example was the notorious demonstration of VisiCorp's Visi On graphical environment where they demonstrated the product at COMDEX 1982 despite it not actually existing. They actually pretended to be using an animation of what it would look like hosted on a different computer running offstage. When asked what he thought about their software, Mark Ursino (an old boss of mine) declared that it wasn't software, it was vaporware and the term was created.
The R5 exists. It is in people's hands. It's not vaporware. It's just very late in its manufacturing which means that Canon screwed up badly for sales this year.
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And it was written in Japanese, so the target reading audience isn't outside of that country.
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These are only announced on Canon Japan. Same thing with the lists of cameras and lenses that are discontinued.
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High demand and low supply situation is always damaging - the user base will leak to other brands, although at an unknown rate. Can be a small leak, can be a flood. That includes potential users who were going to switch to the R5II from other brands and won't be switching now.
Good news for the R5 owners - the second-hand prices for the R5 probably won't be dropping that much.
Good news for the R5 owners - the second-hand prices for the R5 probably won't be dropping that much.
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BS. Both Nikon and SONY also failed to satisfy the demand. a1 was backordered, z9 and z8 were backordered. And PS5 shortages were a much bigger blow to SONY face than anything camera related. Oh, and Fujifilm also had x100v backordered earlier this year.
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I'm not entirely sure. I've called Canon Canada/US this morning and they confirmed.
I've also opened a ticket because here in Canada we have a Promo going on: You have to send proof of purchase/serial number for a 500 dollar rebate. But you have only 6 weeks starting on Aug, give or take, and if it will take 6 months how can we possibly accomplish this?
EOS R5 Mark II Pre-Order Bonus - Canon Creator Lab
For a limited time, we are excited to offer eligible customers who have pre-ordered the Canon EOS R5 Mark II a gift consisting of a packable Wind and Water-Resistant Puff EOS R System branded jacket, and up to $500 cashback on each purchase of select RF L-Series lenses with their pre-ordered EOS...
www.canoncreatorlab.ca
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That was how I read it too: "if you place a new order, it may take more than six months for delivery". Obviously still bizarre on so many levels - but in theory existing orders shouldn't be affected?
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Long term overall profit from the R5 will depend on multiple factors; if the current demand is for N cameras, there's absolutely no guarantee it'll be the same N in 6 months - Canon just loses on sales they would've made during this 6-month period.
And the future price drop will depend on the supply/demand as well, it's unlikely the prices on the R5II in 3 years will depend on today's shortage.
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That was damaging for Sony and Nikon too - but those weren't 6-month delays were they?
In 2020, I waited for the R5 delivery for about 2.5 months, and in 2-3 months after I received it, it was on sale without any backorders - at least in Australia.
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Move along, folks. Nothing to see here. I waited more than six months after ordering my Canon EOS D60 in February 2002 from a camera store in Austin, TX. By the time I received it, the newer 10D was just a few months from launch.
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The big problem is that with a six-month delay now they've created demand and have no supply during the biggest shopping season of the year. Yeah, they'll get supplies for new orders now in February. Not a lot of people want to give a "Your present should arrive in three months" note for Christmas. They'll spend the budget on something available in December and that means they won't have the money in the budget in February even if the delay isn't an issue to the person getting the camera.
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So you’re saying that a $4300 camera is a common enough Christmas present that it’s a big problem for Canon? Seems rather far-fetched.
Not that I believe this forum is representative of camera buyers in general, but the prevailing trend here is more about people trying to hide such a purchase from their spouse. Just sayin’.
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Went out again tonight for nighthawks and bats. Liking the R5ii more and more for the AF. I did have an instance when I got the green-screen-of-death and had to remove battery to get the camera working again. I thought my copy was free from that behavior. I'd taken about 3,000 shots with in the 1/2 hour prior to that. I see people in other forums speculating various theories about what's going on and which settings allow the problem, most of them contradictory - as is normal. Hope there is a software fix for it eventually. I suspect there is a non-trivial chance that the fix for this may be related to the evaporating production availability that's the original subject of this thread.
Here's one of the bats (I think they were big brown bats). Should have tried to get away with 1/2,000th of a second instead of 1,250th. The series I thought was best was - of course - the one that got dumped with the err 70 message. This one was taken with the 70-200 f/2.8 in my right hand and a flashlight in my left to get the off-camera angle. I don't recommend it. In retrospect, I should have grip-taped the light to the bottom of the lens hood. Learned a lot though. Next time I think I might nail it.
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PS: The light coloration on the nose may be the "white nose fungus" that has decimated these species. My wife (who knows a lot more about this sort of thing) tells me it's just the bat's tongue. Taking my daughter out there tomorrow evening. If they're still around, I bet we get good enough shots to determine what's what.
Here's one of the bats (I think they were big brown bats). Should have tried to get away with 1/2,000th of a second instead of 1,250th. The series I thought was best was - of course - the one that got dumped with the err 70 message. This one was taken with the 70-200 f/2.8 in my right hand and a flashlight in my left to get the off-camera angle. I don't recommend it. In retrospect, I should have grip-taped the light to the bottom of the lens hood. Learned a lot though. Next time I think I might nail it.
-tig
PS: The light coloration on the nose may be the "white nose fungus" that has decimated these species. My wife (who knows a lot more about this sort of thing) tells me it's just the bat's tongue. Taking my daughter out there tomorrow evening. If they're still around, I bet we get good enough shots to determine what's what.
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There APS-C cameras in that middle range. None of the big 3 sell full-frame cameras in the 30-40MP range. The reality is you really have to double (or greater) the pixel count for any perceptible gain in resolution. That's the reason that I have little interest in a higher resolution camera that isn't at least 90MP. I had a Sony R7V (60MP), and I really had to pixel-peep to notice any increased detail relative to Sony's 42MP or Canon's 45MP offerings.
Big tradeoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong (so often the case), but the R5 M II may be the only stacked-sensor camera that shoots at 30fps with a 14 bit depth. If the Sony A1 does as well, I stand corrected. Of course the Sony is $2000 more expensive. Typically cameras drop to a 12 bit depth or to jpeg to shoot at the rate. To have a faster read speed, Canon would probably need to either drop the bit depth or use much more expensive technology (if it exists). Personally, I prefer the choice that Canon made.
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