Canon launches the DYOC Program

[Ph0t0]

What is this bull****!!!
Now I have to design cameras instead of Canon?!
I've been dreaming about my special Canon camera for what seems like an eternity and they still have no plans to start the mass production?

 

[Ozarker]

I'm still here.
I just don't use video, but happy about video features. I learned from this forum that EVF + LCD need video features, and the person buying my used-sorry, pre-owned- camera after a few years will certainly want them!
So, if I could buy a "stills only", I wouldn't buy it, even though I never shoot videos.

I don't shoot video either.

 

[P-visie]

A rebranded Sonie can never be a "Mk-something re-hash".
It must be named EOS A9 Acme UD, "UD" for Ultra Dreadnought, the flagship of flagships!
People wanting the real thing made in camera heaven by sonni will have to pay a huge premium, of course. Happily!

According to wikipedia the Washington treaty from 1922 was meant to limit the arms race in building large warships. The original Dreadnoughts were scrapped. So be careful what you wish for with your Ultra Dead Not camera.

 

[Del Paso]

According to wikipedia the Washington treaty from 1922 was meant to limit the arms race in building large warships. The original Dreadnoughts were scrapped. So be careful what you wish for with your Ultra Dead Not camera.

Sorry, but you got it all wrong!
Dreadnoughts are still in production, made in Canada by the Forbidden bicycle company.

 

[BBarn]

I read somewhere that DYOC product orders have exceeded expectations, resulting in their addition to the short supply list.

 

[P-visie]

I read somewhere that DYOC product orders have exceeded expectations, resulting in their addition to the short supply list.

There is also a shortage of shipping companies who deliver on the sixth Tuesday of each month. So once the production of DYOC camera’s has caught up with demand, shipping is the next bottleneck.

 

[P-visie]

Sorry, but you got it all wrong!
Dreadnoughts are still in production, made in Canada by the Forbidden bicycle company.

No one says that I’ve got it all wrong without proof. These are not bikes, these are tricycles with the side wheels removed. This is dangerous, so they should be forbidden, rumor (rating CR 5) has it that a 2024 version of the Washington treaty is in the making with just that aim.
To cover all eventualities, the 2024 treaty will have a lot of notes and fine print, so it will like familiair to buyers of the S*ny stickers and labels for the DYOC camera’s.

 

[Del Paso]

No one says that I’ve got it all wrong without proof. These are not bikes, these are tricycles with the side wheels removed. This is dangerous, so they should be forbidden, rumor (rating CR 5) has it that a 2024 version of the Washington treaty is in the making with just that aim.
To cover all eventualities, the 2024 treaty will have a lot of notes and fine print, so it will like familiair to buyers of the S*ny stickers and labels for the DYOC camera’s.

I won't listen anymore to this drivel. I know your aim is to propagate such abstruse conspiracy theories in order to infiltrate our forum. Dreadnoughts will punish you, your tinfoil hat will offer you no protection.
And, speaking of "dangerous", nothing, absolutely nothing is more lethal than those incomprehensible Dutch roundabouts! Designed by M*GA?

 

[koenkooi]

[…]And, speaking of "dangerous", nothing, absolutely nothing is more lethal than those incomprehensible Dutch roundabouts! Designed by M*GA?

Single lane or multi lane roundabouts? And within or outside city limits?

I heard stacked roundabouts are faster, but I only see top side illuminated ones here.

 

[Del Paso]

Single lane or multi lane roundabouts? And within or outside city limits?

I heard stacked roundabouts are faster, but I only see top side illuminated ones here.

I meant the small double ones, wit a concrete division between the lanes, like the one ahead of Lierop. I hate them! But still like travelling in the Netherlands, and having lunch in Lierop:

Herberghe de Coeckepanne Highly recommendable! Yummy yummy!​

 

[P-visie]

I won't listen anymore to this drivel. I know your aim is to propagate such abstruse conspiracy theories in order to infiltrate our forum.

You are confusing me with someone else.

And, speaking of "dangerous", nothing, absolutely nothing is more lethal than those incomprehensible Dutch roundabouts!

Dutch roundabouts become dangerous when Frenchmen/ Frenchwomen are trying to navigate them. They drive like they are on the Periferique or the Place Charles de MFGA, formerly known as the Place de l’Étoiles. As @koenkooi states in NL we have both frontside and backside illuminated roundabouts. Perfectly safe!

A Frenchman telling a Dutch person about bikes is a classic example of Gallic arrogance. You are doing this just to steer the discussion away from the topic.

 

[Del Paso]

You are confusing me with someone else.

Dutch roundabouts become dangerous when Frenchmen/ Frenchwomen are trying to navigate them. They drive like they are on the Periferique or the Place Charles de MFGA, formerly known as the Place de l’Étoiles. As @koenkooi states in NL we have both frontside and backside illuminated roundabouts. Perfectly safe!

A Frenchman telling a Dutch person about bikes is a classic example of Gallic arrogance. You are doing this just to steer the discussion away from the topic.

I'm feeling hurt, on the verge of crying. But our roundabouts are larger than yours, our mountains higher , our wines better , our tinfoil hats more elegant than yours.
And we don't slow down European trafic with our minicars towing oversized caravans. (Ask our German neighbors how much they like it )
Your roundabouts are So*y designed, no wonder!
PS: wasn't the topic about cameras?

 

[Del Paso]

Off topic (but this is currently the most often read post): a very interesting interview about R1 development, including "why 24MP, Digit accelerator, global shutter, R3, R5 II" on the Phototrend website.
Sorry, dear Dutch forum members, in French language! (no idea how Google will translate)

 

[P-visie]

Off topic (but this is currently the most often read post): a very interesting interview about R1 development, including "why 24MP, Digit accelerator, global shutter, R3, R5 II" on the Phototrend website.
Sorry, dear Dutch forum members, in French language! (no idea how Google will translate)

Thanks, when I look at the pictures, it makes me wonder: is Cannon French spelling for Canon?

Interview Canon : avec l'EOS R1, "notre mission est de fournir le boîtier ultime aux photographes pro"

Lors lancement des Canon EOS R1 et EOS R5 Mark II, nous avons interviewé Manabu Kato et Tomokazu Yoshida, Unit Executive et General Manager de la division ICB. Ils reviennent avec nous sur les grandes orientations stratégiques de la marque, et sur les innovations de ces deux boîtiers.

phototrend.fr

 

[Del Paso]

Thanks, when I look at the pictures, it makes me wonder: is Cannon French spelling for Canon?

Interview Canon : avec l'EOS R1, "notre mission est de fournir le boîtier ultime aux photographes pro"

Lors lancement des Canon EOS R1 et EOS R5 Mark II, nous avons interviewé Manabu Kato et Tomokazu Yoshida, Unit Executive et General Manager de la division ICB. Ils reviennent avec nous sur les grandes orientations stratégiques de la marque, et sur les innovations de ces deux boîtiers.

phototrend.fr

Nope, that's a typo!
And we pronounce it like canonn, not like caenonn

 

[davidhfe]

This is fun, but TBH—this doesn't seem unreasonable? Obviously the exact specs you're listing are funny business, but why (technically, business wise, marketing, etc) can't Canon offer more custom build options? Have a single camera platform for $4-$7k. Identical PCB, same processors, IBIS, shutter module, EVF—hold as much as possible the same. Then select:

Body Style
- Gripped "Max": More expensive, different power board, higher voltage for driving longer lenses, better cooling, heavier, best ergonomics
- Standard "Pro": body has shorter runtimes (battery and thermals), cheaper, lighter
- If I wanted to be really cheeky, you could even trial balloon "cinema" (active cooling) or "street" (sealed battery, slim) SKUs. Mark the shit up out of them.

Sensor
- Low resolution "Action" (~25mp), max readout speed, best AF
- Medium resolution "Pro" (~50mp), good readout speed, good AF
- High resolution "Studio" (~75+ mp), likely BSI but not stacked, max DR (??), speed/video/AF penalties, probably more expensive, lowest volume. Essentially a "studio" sensor?

You could probably even sell some upgrades that don't much affect packaging like charging +$500 for a doubling of buffer size. Maybe different EVFs?

I don't want to be naive about the challenges, but is that really such a wild request from consumers in today's tech landscape?

 

[kaihp]

This is fun, but TBH—this doesn't seem unreasonable? Obviously the exact specs you're listing are funny business, but why (technically, business wise, marketing, etc) can't Canon offer more custom build options? Have a single camera platform for $4-$7k. Identical PCB, same processors, IBIS, shutter module, EVF—hold as much as possible the same. Then select:

Body Style
- Gripped "Max": More expensive, different power board, higher voltage for driving longer lenses, better cooling, heavier, best ergonomics
- Standard "Pro": body has shorter runtimes (battery and thermals), cheaper, lighter
- If I wanted to be really cheeky, you could even trial balloon "cinema" (active cooling) or "street" (sealed battery, slim) SKUs. Mark the shit up out of them.

Sensor
- Low resolution "Action" (~25mp), max readout speed, best AF
- Medium resolution "Pro" (~50mp), good readout speed, good AF
- High resolution "Studio" (~75+ mp), likely BSI but not stacked, max DR (??), speed/video/AF penalties, probably more expensive, lowest volume. Essentially a "studio" sensor?

You could probably even sell some upgrades that don't much affect packaging like charging +$500 for a doubling of buffer size. Maybe different EVFs?

I don't want to be naive about the challenges, but is that really such a wild request from consumers in today's tech landscape?

The computer/laptop industry does this (custom to order) but it requires a manufacturing, logistics and supply chain that is set up to handle this complexity.

Clearly, Canon (and everybody else) have decided that this is not for them.

If I should venture a guess, it would be that it's the complexity of verifying that all the combinations of hardware works well together that is the main issue.

 

[P-visie]

The computer/laptop industry does this (custom to order) but it requires a manufacturing, logistics and supply chain that is set up to handle this complexity.

Clearly, Canon (and everybody else) have decided that this is not for them.

If I should venture a guess, it would be that it's the complexity of verifying that all the combinations of hardware works well together that is the main issue.

The volume of custom build camera’s is not likely to be very high, meaning less automating in build/ assembly process, more testing and a separate logistics chain (from ordering website with a product configurator to shipping to customer/retailer, servicing and repair). And upfront development investment to make a more modular camera design and firmware. These would be very expensive DYOC camera’s.

 

[TwoWheeler]

it should end forum whining forever.

That right there tipped me off that this was BS….

 

[P-visie]

This thread seems to have run it’s course. Thanks @neuroanatomist your DYOC scheme was good for a few laughs .