Canon lays out their corporate strategy

Does it always display the more expensive "best seller" first, and then follow it with the cheapest "best seller" when you reselect?
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Again it could be both. If I were to check Adorama it may behave similarly.

When you arrive on product category it will show what they want to feature. Then when you reselect the default "Best Seller" then it shows the Rebels.

Seeming Amazon shows the top sellers are Rebels with lens kits at a price point below the cheapest RF body without lens kit then odds are price is driving demand for these DSLRs.

Very few with a CR username would be buying these Rebels for personal use. We do not represent the digital camera market.
 
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Also its worth noting that Canon EF lenses work just as good on RF cameras as on EF Cameras. Its basicaly native. This gives canon the biggest (basicaly native) lense selection at all. There is an incredible big market for used EF lenses and third party lenses.
Agreed. All my EF lenses worked perfectly on my R5.

The RF lenses are generally better specified, perhaps the AF is a tiny bit faster, perhaps they are a tiny bit sharper, and usually more compact than EF nearest-equivalents. But they are a lot more expensive, and the bokeh is no better. It makes sense to only transition from EF to RF if a particular lens offers something you need, that isn't present in the EF version. In short, Canon provides everything that anyone could possibly need, in either EF or RF mount.

Its a shame though, that they try to lock the RF mount for third party lense builders. This is a HUGE mistake in my opinion. The appeal of a mount is the lense selection and nothing else. Limiting this is stupid and greedy in my opinion.
It would be very nice for consumers, if Canon opened the RF mount, as it would give us access to even more lenses, at prices somewhat cheaper than Canon.

But from Canon's perspective it makes far more sense to restrict the mount, at least until they have rolled out a full system of their own native RF glass. The RF bodies sell faster than Canon can produce them, so the lack of independent (AF) glass isn't affecting Canon sales enough to worry them. Canon almost certainly make more money from selling RF lenses than they do from selling the bodies - it's all about striking a balance between maximising profit while retaining customers.

Within a year or so I think we'll see quite a few native RF lenses from Sigma and Tamron, I'm sure there's plenty of negotiation occurring. In fact Cosina/Voigtlander have already announced a (manual focus) lens in RF mount that makes use of the RF electronic contacts. https://petapixel.com/2023/02/21/co...st-a-canon-rf-mount-lens-the-nokton-50mm-f-1/.

There are of course also many manual focus native RF mount lenses made by Laowa and others, which very extensively cover specialist glass such as macro, shift and zero-distortion ultra-wides https://www.venuslens.net/. Most people use such lenses in manual focus anyway, so the absence of AF isn't hugely important.
 
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Sure they do, but how is that relevant to the discussion about BH "best sellers"?
Confusion & surprise as to why Canon claims that approximately 30% of ILCs are DSLRs.
So they're predicting 30% of ILC sales this year to be DSLRs. That's a big drop, but still higher than I would expect. I find it surprising that people are still buying DSLRs in that sort of quantity, given that Canon is pushing the RF system so heavily.
The conversation is about the above Canon quote and the screen shots from Amazon & BH serves as supporting evidence that what Canon is saying is true.
 
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The Panasonic-style screen solves everyone's needs as far as I can see - it can tilt (while remaining on-axis) in either horizontal or vertical modes; it can swing out just like the Canon screens, and it can reverse to face inwards to protect it. The Panasonic design is very sturdy and doesn't block any of the ports. It looks a lot sturdier than the screen on my R5. An infinitely better design IMO.

I just can't understand why Canon doesn't adopt the same method.
I can see why you’d like it. To answer your last paragraph, I’d suggest that has to be more expensive to manufacture.
 
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Confusion & surprise as to why Canon claims that approximately 30% of ILCs are DSLRs.

The conversation is about the above Canon quote and the screen shots from Amazon & BH serves as supporting evidence that what Canon is saying is true.
The CIPA data provide much better evidence than the information from a vendor or two.
 
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The graphic shows them continuing to expand the RF lens lineup at the same rate, so we will probably see around seven new RF lenses this year.
Based on the rumors we have, 2023 is supposed to have.
We should be getting a super tele, 3x wide angle primes, 3x RF-S lenses (we got the RF-S 55-210 F5.0-7.1 IS STM) and an ultra wide zoom (we got the RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM)
Hopefully we see the 14, 24, 35 L next month at the NAB show?
 
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Based on the rumors we have, 2023 is supposed to have.
We should be getting a super tele, 3x wide angle primes, 3x RF-S lenses (we got the RF-S 55-210 F5.0-7.1 IS STM) and an ultra wide zoom (we got the RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM)
Hopefully we see the 14, 24, 35 L next month at the NAB show?
Rumours are nearly always wrong... ;)
 
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Neuro, I think you may have missed the point of @TonyG's comment ;)

He was I believe noting that despite the rumours that we'd get an ultra-wide zoom, all we actually got was the (wideangle) RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM
Perhaps? He stated, "3x RF-S lenses (we got the RF-S 55-210 F5.0-7.1 IS STM)," and the lens he listed is indeed an RF-S lens. Then he stated, "...an ultra wide zoom (we got the RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM)," but you believe that while he meant the RF-S 55-210 is RF-S, he also meant the 24-50 is not an ultrawide zoom? Seems inconsistent.

Either way, it's irrelevant since he started out with, "...2023 is supposed to have," and clearly we're not even one quarter into the year.
 
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Perhaps? He stated, "3x RF-S lenses (we got the RF-S 55-210 F5.0-7.1 IS STM)," and the lens he listed is indeed an RF-S lens. Then he stated, "...an ultra wide zoom (we got the RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM)," but you believe that while he meant the RF-S 55-210 is RF-S, he also meant the 24-50 is not an ultrawide zoom? Seems inconsistent.
I copied an old post I had made and was just trying to connect released lenses with what the rumors stated we "should" be getting. I should have just put that lens somewhere as an extra. I wasn't paying attention in my haste.

Either way, it's irrelevant since he started out with, "...2023 is supposed to have," and clearly we're not even one quarter into the year.

I am basing "2023 is supposed to have" on the rumors of what should come in 2023, also IF we get 7-8 lenses per year (will the 135 L count as one for this year? :rolleyes:), and IF the rumors are actually correct, then I am simply connecting the pieces of what we hopefully should be getting this year.
Only Canon really knows since we are all speculating on a rumor site what we hope for.

I'll make a more clear list with links to the rumors.

3x RF-S in 2023 (RF-S 11-22 rumored for first half of 2023)

RF-S 22 F2 STM

3x RF Wide L Primes first half of 2023

RF Ultra Wide L Zoom first half of 2023

RF 300 2.8 L

RF Super Tele L (Maybe a 500 F4 to sister the 300 2.8? or its the 300 itself?, but 300 might not be considered super tele to some?)

Anyways, let the comment war commence! lol
 
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Perhaps? He stated, "3x RF-S lenses (we got the RF-S 55-210 F5.0-7.1 IS STM)," and the lens he listed is indeed an RF-S lens. Then he stated, "...an ultra wide zoom (we got the RF 24-50 F4.5-6.3 STM)," but you believe that while he meant the RF-S 55-210 is RF-S, he also meant the 24-50 is not an ultrawide zoom? Seems inconsistent.

Either way, it's irrelevant since he started out with, "...2023 is supposed to have," and clearly we're not even one quarter into the year.
His post wasn't phrased very well, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps he'll explain better what he was trying to say, if/when he replies to our posts.
 
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The CIPA data provide much better evidence than the information from a vendor or two.
Last year (CIPA) DSLRs were, in units, (1,853,222 / 5,926,733) 31% of interchangeable lens cameras shipped. They don't predict what the mix will be this year.

Canon's prediction for this year is "more than 70% of this to be mirrorless cameras." The "more than" part makes it a reasonable prediction.
 
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I think that's a Nikon Zfc. ;-)

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It's APS-C, but the rumours of Nikon planning a FF equivalent are quite exciting...
 
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