Canon lays out their corporate strategy

Technically every cinema camera is a photo camera. They all take a picture frame by frame.
From film to digital, they’re technically taking “high fps” photos. Lol
Theoretically, you could take a C500, set a shutter speed of what you need, let’s say 2000 if it will go that high, and take video, then pull the key frame you want.
Technically the R5 can shoot “stills” at 30 fps if you do that with 8k raw lol. It’s not 45mp and it’s at 16:9, but hey it technically does do it lol.
You say it as a joke, but I did it like that at an event I was filming where the organizers showed interest in photos during the event. I cropped them to photo format and the quality was comparable to a photo from a good cell phone, so it's perfectly fine for FB and the web.
 
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Not just the c line. I would also welcome improved camcorders.
I recently (last fall) bought a Vixia HF G60, and it's quite nice. I previously had a Vixia HF M41 (still works). The G70 is a fairly recent release with a 1/2.3" sensor, but Canon no longer has a 1" 'prosumer' camcorder now that the G60 is discontinued. There are several XA/XF models with the larger 1" sensor, but personally I have no need of the XLR input/handle.

Glad I bought when I did, the G60 like the G50 before it has the mini-advanced shoe meaning the accessories that I have for the M41, namely the directional mic and the video light, work fine with it. For some reason, Canon dropped the mini-shoe from the G70.
 
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I recently (last fall) bought a Vixia HF G60, and it's quite nice. I previously had a Vixia HF M41 (still works). The G70 is a fairly recent release with a 1/2.3" sensor, but Canon no longer has a 1" 'prosumer' camcorder now that the G60 is discontinued. There are several XA/XF models with the larger 1" sensor, but personally I have no need of the XLR input/handle.

Glad I bought when I did, the G60 like the G50 before it has the mini-advanced shoe meaning the accessories that I have for the M41, namely the directional mic and the video light, work fine with it. For some reason, Canon dropped the mini-shoe from the G70.
With the XA70, you can remove the handle with the XLR inputs. Or to be more precise - you don't have to add it after buying the camcorder. :-) It does not affect the other functions of the camera and you will have a 1 inch sensor. But considering that the camera has been on the market since the end of 2022, I think it's a shame that the maximum frame rate for 4K is 25 fps or 30 fps. I can also imagine better stabilization.
 
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What was wrong with betamax?
I always like Beta, was sad when it became clear they had lost the battle for the consumer market. Still have an old Sanyo Beta system and some 80's movies in storage. :D
Technically nothing, so maybe a lesson for Canon in the policy of opening the RF bayonet to third parties.
While I understand your point I do think it is a bit of a leap to to compare the two. Canon are not preventing anyone from making cameras or lenses that are compatible with available media cards. They are simply not making it easy for a 3rd party to attach a lens to their cameras and use RF AF protocols.

Unlike the battleground of Betamax vs VHS the Camera industry already has many players making competing products.
 
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With the XA70, you can remove the handle with the XLR inputs. Or to be more precise - you don't have to add it after buying the camcorder. :) It does not affect the other functions of the camera and you will have a 1 inch sensor. But considering that the camera has been on the market since the end of 2022, I think it's a shame that the maximum frame rate for 4K is 25 fps or 30 fps. I can also imagine better stabilization.
The XA70 looks a lot like the G60 – same sensor, same lens, etc. More codecs, more inputs on the XA70 of course, but not something I need. And the XA70 doesn't have the mini advanced shoe, either.
 
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Heaven forbid that I should defend Sony on a Canon user's website, but I know people, mostly birders, who genuinely love using their Sony cameras. They're not as bad, ergonomically, as people make out - but just like any time that we switch brands, it takes a while to adapt and get used to new controls and a new way of working.

By way of example, when I started *digital* photography, I switched from a Nikon D50 to a Sony a700. It took a few weeks, but after that I found the Sony very easy and enjoyable to use. When the a700 had been out for 3 years with no sign of an upgrade coming, I decided to switch to a Canon 50D. At first I found the Canon controls to be weird and a bit awkward, but I've been using Canon gear for 12 years now, and now it's Sony, Nikon and Panasonic that feel awkward...

People will always feel most comfortable with something that is familiar. If folk that find a particular brand or model awkward, they just haven't allowed enough time to adjust.
I can agree, but only partly.
I once had a Sony a7 (forgot which specific model). I just hated the menus, same with Olympus by the way. But what drove me into Canon's loving arms was the size of the Sony. Just too small for me, I didn't know where to place my fingers. Ergonomics matter!
 
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I can agree, but only partly.
I once had a Sony a7 (forgot which specific model). I just hated the menus, same with Olympus by the way. But what drove me into Canon's loving arms was the size of the Sony. Just too small for me, I didn't know where to place my fingers. Ergonomics matter!
Yes it's a strange world - half the camera-buying public want a small camera and complained endlessly that DSLRs were too big and too heavy. The other half prefers larger heavier cameras with widely spaced controls and a big grip.

I think Canon has got the balance about right, with the R6, R6ii, R5 and R3, but I find the RP, R8, R10 all too small and fiddly for my medium-sized hands. The R7 is borderline for me. The difference is in size only a few millimetres, but enough to make the smaller models less than ideal.

Here are the sizes of the cameras, for comparison:

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Easy access to controls is very important, and the small size of the models shown in red makes them too cramped and fiddly for me.

Menus are less important, because with custom modes available, it's rarely necessary to dive into menus, once the camera has been initially set up. I do find some of the names the Sony gives to menu items to be rather ambiguous though!
 
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And with video...you're already seeing companies like Disney (ick) altering and censoring movies and shows with todays moving standards.
I've noticed that I personally watch once then only do a rewatch when it receives a remaster or resolution bump. So owning a physical copy will only take up wall space.

All that effort during the whole 90s making backup Betamax tapes of LaserDisc rentals was effectively pointless & waste money as I only watched the movie once. The 1st Star Wars film with Han shooting first vs Disney's keeping Han saintly... does not bother me. Back then I remember seeing a copy of the Song of the South on LaserDisc but never rented.

Take the TV show Northern Exposure that ran through 1990-1995. I remember watching an episode or two 3 decades ago. Last week I happen upon the 2K blu-ray remaster. I am very happy this was my 1st time to watch all of it.

If I ever watch it again I'd do so for the 4K or 8K blu-ray remaster 1-2 decades from now if it makes economic sense to the rights holders.
 
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Yes it's a strange world - half the camera-buying public want a small camera and complained endlessly that DSLRs were too big and too heavy. The other half prefers larger heavier cameras with widely spaced controls and a big grip.

I think Canon has got the balance about right, with the R6, R6ii, R5 and R3, but I find the RP, R8, R10 all too small and fiddly for my medium-sized hands. The R7 is borderline for me. The difference is in size only a few millimetres, but enough to make the smaller models less than ideal.

Here are the sizes of the cameras, for comparison:

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Easy access to controls is very important, and the small size of the models shown in red makes them too cramped and fiddly for me.

Menus are less important, because with custom modes available, it's rarely necessary to dive into menus, once the camera has been initially set up. I do find some of the names the Sony gives to menu items to be rather ambiguous though!
On the RP, the EG-E1 mini grip gave me the extra height needed for my pinky. And I could remove it if I wanted a smaller body for e.g. the 50 f/1.8.
This is a big part of why I pre-ordered the R8, I really liked the RP+EG-E1 combo.
 
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Yes it's a strange world - half the camera-buying public want a small camera and complained endlessly that DSLRs were too big and too heavy. The other half prefers larger heavier cameras with widely spaced controls and a big grip.

I think Canon has got the balance about right, with the R6, R6ii, R5 and R3, but I find the RP, R8, R10 all too small and fiddly for my medium-sized hands. The R7 is borderline for me. The difference is in size only a few millimetres, but enough to make the smaller models less than ideal.

Here are the sizes of the cameras, for comparison:

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Easy access to controls is very important, and the small size of the models shown in red makes them too cramped and fiddly for me.

Menus are less important, because with custom modes available, it's rarely necessary to dive into menus, once the camera has been initially set up. I do find some of the names the Sony gives to menu items to be rather ambiguous though!
I made a comparison between the 0.79x medium format FujiFilm GFX 100s & GFX 50s II and they're near physically identical to a 1-series and 5D-series bodies. They're priced parity to them as well.

If I was a non-sport & non-wildlife photographer and was migrating from DSLR to mirrorless I may find myself switching brands if I was doing >90% people photography.

Reason being we were all marketed that 1.0x FF is superior to 1.6x APS-C so that logic should hold that 0.79x MF will be superior to 1.0x FF.
 
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Yes it's a strange world - half the camera-buying public want a small camera and complained endlessly that DSLRs were too big and too heavy. The other half prefers larger heavier cameras with widely spaced controls and a big grip.

I think Canon has got the balance about right, with the R6, R6ii, R5 and R3, but I find the RP, R8, R10 all too small and fiddly for my medium-sized hands. The R7 is borderline for me. The difference is in size only a few millimetres, but enough to make the smaller models less than ideal.

Here are the sizes of the cameras, for comparison:

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Easy access to controls is very important, and the small size of the models shown in red makes them too cramped and fiddly for me.

Menus are less important, because with custom modes available, it's rarely necessary to dive into menus, once the camera has been initially set up. I do find some of the names the Sony gives to menu items to be rather ambiguous though!
My ideally sized camera: 5 D IV or R3 and Leica M240.
The Leica M240 got criticised by many M users for being "too fat". My favourite Leica M...
It's good we have such a wide choice.
 
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My ideally sized camera: 5 D IV or R3 and Leica M240.
The Leica M240 got criticised by many M users for being "too fat". My favourite Leica M...
It's good we have such a wide choice.
Size-wise, my ideal setup would be the R5 (which I have), with a grip for when I use long lenses, and some kind of pocketable APS-C with a fixed 18mm lens, that I could carry in a jacket pocket.
 
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I made a comparison between the 0.79x medium format FujiFilm GFX 100s & GFX 50s II and they're near physically identical to a 1-series and 5D-series bodies. They're priced parity to them as well.

If I was a non-sport & non-wildlife photographer and was migrating from DSLR to mirrorless I may find myself switching brands if I was doing >90% people photography.

Reason being we were all marketed that 1.0x FF is superior to 1.6x APS-C so that logic should hold that 0.79x MF will be superior to 1.0x FF.
Yes the Fujifilm GFX cameras are extremely tempting for certain subjects. I could almost see myself getting one for landscapes, but I don't really want the cost of running 2 systems, or the encumbrance of dragging 2 bodies and 2 sets of lenses around the world with me. And to be honest, I'm perfectly happy with the quality I get from my R5.
 
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On the RP, the EG-E1 mini grip gave me the extra height needed for my pinky. And I could remove it if I wanted a smaller body for e.g. the 50 f/1.8.
This is a big part of why I pre-ordered the R8, I really liked the RP+EG-E1 combo.
A friend loaned me his RP to use as a spare body to my R5 on a trip to Bolivia last October, but I only used it for a few shots. It wasn't just the height that I found problematic, it was also the small and cramped controls. It just didn't suit me, although it's a perfectly capable camera.

With small cameras, handling problems are compounded for me, because I'm a left-eye user, and with a small camera I'm constantly poking myself in the right eye with my thumb.

The smallest body that I'd consider buying as a backup/second body to my R5, is the R7, but even that feels too small to me, and the difference in ergonomics between it and the R5 also put me right off. Currently I only have one RF mount body, but I'm hoping that the price of the R5 will drop further, so I can get another one (I want more MP than the R6 or R6ii)..
 
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