Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R5 Mark II

[Ian K]

Great that the BG-R20 can be reused... I wonder how it is different from the discontinued one for the R5.
R5ii footprint may be the same but it won't fit in my housing - especially with the eye-AF controller which is not much use underwater

I can see that the extra space used by the view finder would be an issue for an enclosure.

Interestingly I've just found out the at the BG-R10 original grip will work with the R5 Mark II, however, it blocks the cooling port on the bottom of the camera, which I suspect is why it was discontinued and replaced by the BG-R20.

 

[Ian K]

Does anyone know if the BG-R10 will be supported by R52?
I use it with my R6 and wouldn‘t want to buy a new one…

Yes, but it blocks the cooling port on the base of the camera.

 

[amorse]

Thank you for the link.
I did get around to watch the video (it is long).
Frankly, it was interesting but she mostly went through the menus, but did not go much into things that would matter to me, such as any differences in DR and noise, how much better the AF is in situations that are not team sports.

I watched it too, and I’d agree with that, though I did find value in her going through each. There were a few tidbits in there I wasn’t aware of that do make a difference to me, in some circumstances. Though she’s never going to have an assessment of DR or etc as I don’t think we can even open the raw images yet.

So I’ll have to revise my previous statement a little: the only things which improve my use case in the R5ii over the R5 would be maybe the AI denoise, maybe the out of focus assessment tool (big maybe), and the automatic focus stacking tools (though I’ll really need to try that to see if I’d trust it. I do all my focus stacking manually in camera and manually in photoshop as I find photoshop’s automated stacking to be abysmal).

I mean, I’m really only interested in not seeing features get a downgrade (with battery performance and weather sealing at the very top of my desire for no steps back) and maximizing image quality (though I do know and agree that the improvements there are a game of diminishing returns at this point). With that said, a drop in IQ would be a big concern for me. 90% of my photos are on a tripod with autofocus off. I could likely get by without autofocus for the vast majority of photos.

 

[birdman916]

Do you think if I pre order now from Adorama I will still get it on release date? Kinda waffled the last few days?

 

[koenkooi]

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So I’ll have to revise my previous statement a little: the only things which improve my use case in the R5ii over the R5 would be maybe the AI denoise, maybe the out of focus assessment tool (big maybe), and the automatic focus stacking tools (though I’ll really need to try that to see if I’d trust it. I do all my focus stacking manually in camera and manually in photoshop as I find photoshop’s automated stacking to be abysmal).
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All the things you mention only work on JPEGs (denoise, blur detection) or produce a JPEG (depth composite).

For focus stacking, give the trial versions of helicon focus and zerene a try, they work quite well. Helicon integrates with ACR, so you can use CR3 directly, although I prefer to run everything through DxO PR4 first and use the resulting DNGs.

 

[amorse]

All the things you mention only work on JPEGs (denoise, blur detection) or produce a JPEG (depth composite).

For focus stacking, give the trial versions of helicon focus and zerene a try, they work quite well. Helicon integrates with ACR, so you can use CR3 directly, although I prefer to run everything through DxO PR4 first and use the resulting DNGs.

That's disappointing. With that said, then I can definitely get away with an R5 instead with absolutely no impact on what I shoot, until the firmware updates slow down on the R5, or if I end up with the 24-105 f/2.8 and want to use the aperture ring for photos. Welp - we'll see then.

I'll check out the software, but I find in a lot of cases I need to be a bit creative if there's any moving plants in the foreground. Sometimes there's a compromise there that photoshop just isn't going to see. I'll check out the recommended software package though - thanks for the recommendations!

It really does seem to me like there's a lot of mixed info on the fine detail for some of these features - really hard to find some of those details on the specification lists.

 

[koenkooi]

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It really does seem to me like there's a lot of mixed info on the fine detail for some of these features - really hard to find some of those details on the specification lists.

For all the hate the youtubers get here, the early videos had a lot of “we asked Canon to clarify” bits in them that cleared up things.
This shouldn’t happen of course, this whole launch event is a shitshow, completely self inflicted by Canon.

 

[Bernd Stuht]

Such launch Event should be seen as they are.

The only Hands_on must be our own Hands - some Youtuber´s give us an Idea of when we could think about to take an
Real-World-Review by ourselves.

The R5II could be an Option for me to take an real Look on it, but not until the Summer ends.
( Some Early Adopers will post there pro´s/con´s before )

With an other Body i will not be an better Photographer.
The most positive Thing with the R5II for me is the Optic of the Body ;-) - the R5 looks a bit "bumpy".
Rolling Shutter seems to be good enough for me in the R5II ( often necessary in my Pics )
Crosstype AF - hmmm... real World Problem to get them not in the R5II ?
For Video an Grip seems to be needed - Fan including - Price goes up with it - closer to an R1.

Time will tell, Time is better used for be aktive - switch to Mirrorless or wait for an Body that matches as perfekt as the 5D_iV does it for me ?

@ Richard CR - then the R5III/R3II will wipe the Floor with the R5/5II ;-)

Allways think about - it is absolutly impossible to take good Photos with an ( declared as ) obsolete Camerabody ( Joke for sure ).

Canon is on the right Way - but not at the End of its Way - and an End is the End - ending is wrong !

Sorry for my bad English - i will read in Background until i knew what is best for me.

Youtube is an Way to get Info ( Fro is a bit to much Commercial an "loud" but deliveres good Infos ) - CR is an other source for good Infos.

Greetings from today sunny Germany !

Bernd

 

[amorse]

For all the hate the youtubers get here, the early videos had a lot of “we asked Canon to clarify” bits in them that cleared up things.
This shouldn’t happen of course, this whole launch event is a shitshow, completely self inflicted by Canon.

Sure, but I’ve read comments in this forum debating a feature being present and finding that the specifications list is different in different countries - inaccuracies here and there. Having your specification list be inaccurate on launch, to me, suggests things are really rushed and still dynamic. I mean, I could have sworn I saw a video where someone was told by Canon a feature was present, then Canon clarified it wasn’t later.

Really makes me question how functional the camera is going to be on launch. With that said, I don’t know that Canon has ever stranded a body without support- I kind of suspect there will be issues at the start, and then firmware updates will end up cleaning up some of the mess eventually. Waiting may be the better idea.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Sure, but I’ve read comments in this forum debating a feature being present and finding that the specifications list is different in different countries - inaccuracies here and there. Having your specification list be inaccurate on launch, to me, suggests things are really rushed and still dynamic. I mean, I could have sworn I saw a video where someone was told by Canon a feature was present, then Canon clarified it wasn’t later.

Really makes me question how functional the camera is going to be on launch. With that said, I don’t know that Canon has ever stranded a body without support- I kind of suspect there will be issues at the start, and then firmware updates will end up cleaning up some of the mess eventually. Waiting may be the better idea.

There should have at least been one official list in Japanese somewhere.
I can forgive translation errors but it seems like different countries had different features and different specs.

 

[candyman]

There should have at least been one official list in Japanese somewhere.
I can forgive translation errors but it seems like different countries had different features and different specs.

Yes, a number is not difficult to 'translate'. The Dutch Canon website lists de AF Focusing brightness range (still photo shooting) between EV-6.5 to 21 while canon USA lists it between EV-7.5 to 21. It seems it was a rushed process.

 

[neuroanatomist]

There should have at least been one official list in Japanese somewhere.
I can forgive translation errors but it seems like different countries had different features and different specs.

You’d think that, but at least when I looked a couple of days ago, Canon Japan listed the max X-sync of the R1 with electronic shutter as 1/320 s in the spec list but as 1/400 s on the features tab.

 

[koenkooi]

Yes, a number is not difficult to 'translate'. The Dutch Canon website lists de AF Focusing brightness range (still photo shooting) between EV-6.5 to 21 while canon USA lists it between EV-7.5 to 21. It seems it was a rushed process.

Canon HQ: Here's the spec list, keep in mind that it contains intentional mistakes to trap leakers.
Canon Europe: So, if we publish it as-is on launch it will confuse our customers?!?
Canon HQ: Sucks to be you

 

[tron]

I think neuroanatomist, among others, said quite a few times that the key market for the R5II is not owners of the R5, but owners of an R or a dSLR. I think the R5II looks like a great new camera!

As a very happy R5 owner, I have to accept that its improvements over dSLR's, and even the lovable R, were so dramatic, so game-changing, that I'm not guaranteed to see such a jump between iterations again.

But for a future R5III, I would buy if it had cross-point AF and cordless tethering without significant lag. I wouldn't mind if Canon throw in significantly better subject acquisition and tracking too! (But maybe the R5II will demonstrate something amazing in this last area?)

I do have a R5 and it seems the correct thing but ......... fortunately I do have a 5DMkIV. So R5MkII can be for me too


OK I understand that afterwards I may have to sell both R5 and 5DMkIV (unless I need an excuse for R5MkIII e hmmmmm)

Seriously now, I would like to see how it behaves in BIF and low light (for astrophotography).

 

[Richard CN]

Such launch Event should be seen as they are.

Time will tell, Time is better used for be aktive - switch to Mirrorless or wait for an Body that matches as perfekt as the 5D_iV does it for me ?

@ Richard CR - then the R5III/R3II will wipe the Floor with the R5/5II ;-)

Even the R5 probably is much better than the 5D Mark IV - assuming your lenses are up to it. the R5 is basically a 5Ds and a 5D rolled into one camera with a much superior AF. The difference between DSLR AF and Mirrorless AF is night and day. Phase Detect (as long as you aren't majorly defocused) is assured more or less, with far more precision than DSLR AF.

Video, Sensor, AF are all improved over the 5D Mark IV.

an R5 Mark II would be like picking up a camera that has a miniature wizard inside of it to do your bidding compared to an 5D Mark IV.

Unless you have a fundamental reason for not using an EVF (vision, etc) I would strongly suggest renting an R5 with an
EF adapter and giving it a spin over 2-3 days. You will not want to return it.

Cameras are in diminishing returns, the day where the next mark model would be a revolutionary step forward in our ability to improve our craft is well over.

Now we nitpick over 10% horizontal resolution even though most people don't even have lenses capable of achieving across the entire frame, and the minor details are overblown out of proportion.

 

[Richard CN]

Do you think if I pre order now from Adorama I will still get it on release date? Kinda waffled the last few days?

Our understanding is that Canon has been shipping a ton of them out to the regions to prepare for release date.

Probably a good idea to preorder now, you can change your mind later.

 

[Jethro]

Yes, a number is not difficult to 'translate'. The Dutch Canon website lists de AF Focusing brightness range (still photo shooting) between EV-6.5 to 21 while canon USA lists it between EV-7.5 to 21. It seems it was a rushed process.

Maybe rushed, or maybe just so heavily quarantined until the last-minute (to avoid leaks) that there was little or no time left to do proper editing and review, especially in translations. In which case, they get full marks for Obsessive Effort to Avoid Leaks (OEAL), but fails on basic hygiene on published specifications!

 

[P-visie]

Our understanding is that Canon has been shipping a ton of them out to the regions to prepare for release date.

Probably a good idea to preorder now, you can change your mind later.

They did not make enough though: the R1, R5 Mk II and cooling grip are on Canon’s ‘product supply status’ page.

Link (google translated).

 

[Richard CN]

They did not make enough though: the R1, R5 Mk II and cooling grip are on Canon’s ‘product supply status’ page.

Link (google translated).

Oh ffs...
Thanks - posting that up.

 

[rbtree]

I pre-ordered one, a day or two after the initial release. Waited to hear from Canon Price Watch and got on the list for one @ $100 off with no tax... Back in 2020, I ended up getting three at a total of $750 below full retail. Sold two and made about $600