Canon Officially Announces the RF 20mm f/1.4L VCM and RF-S 14-30mm f/4-6.3 IS STM PZ

85mm f/1.4 with a 67mm filter thread and L-series image quality would be a blessing. If I remember correctly, nobody has achieved this yet. So chances are it’s a 28mm f/1.4 or something like a 40mm f/1.4. A 70-75mm also sounds realistic. Or it could be an 85mm f/1.8 (the most realistic scenario—I saw a patent for it here on CR). But if it really is an 85mm f/1.4—hats off to Canon. That would be a real breakthrough in optical design.

And I agree that it’s unlikely to be a 14mm f/1.4—my intuition suggests that such a lens would require a huge front element for a retrofocus design. And making it 2.8 goes against a core concept of VCM lineup.
The aperture on a 85/1.4 lens is slightly over 60mm, so 67mm filter is theoretically possible, but likely at the expense of cats eye bokeh in large parts of the frame.
 
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RF 85mm f2 is 500g.
Canon needs black magic to make 85m f1.4 under 600g and 50mm size. Or f1.8 is near.
Regarding size, the EF 85/1.4 is 105 mm long, as is the EF 35/1.4 II. The current VCM lenses are 99-100 mm long. Not really seeing a design problem there.

Looking at the CN-E lineup, the 85/T1.3 is 200 g heavier than the 24/35/50, so it seems that's an acceptable difference for the longer focal length.

The EF 85/1.4 is 950 g. I suspect Canon could shave ~200 g off that. They have already shown that's possible, the EF 35/1.4L II is 760 g and the RF 35/1.4L VCM is 555 g. So, an RF 85/1.4L VCM weighing 750 g makes perfect sense: 200 g heavier than the other lenses in the set like the cine primes, 200 g lighter than the EF version as they did already for the 35/1.4.

No magic required.
 
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Exactly, I guess the 14mm 1.4 wouldn’t be a VCM.

Does Anybody else thinks, the VCM idea was a bit stupid? Without the VCM body some lenses would be far shorter.

I really despise the size of the 24-105/2.8. It’s to long, because it uses the 70-200 Z body.
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RF 85mm f2 is 500g.
Canon needs black magic to make 85m f1.4 under 600g and 50mm size. Or f1.8 is near.
The 85mm f/2 is heavier because it includes image stabilization and semi-macro capabilities. A standard 85mm f/1.8 can be under 400 grams nowadays while still delivering good image quality.
Looking at the CN-E lineup, the 85/T1.3 is 200 g heavier than the 24/35/50, so it seems that's an acceptable difference for the longer focal length.

The EF 85/1.4 is 950 g. I suspect Canon could shave ~200 g off that. They have already shown that's possible, the EF 35/1.4L II is 760 g and the RF 35/1.4L VCM is 555 g. So, an RF 85/1.4L VCM weighing 750 g makes perfect sense: 200 g heavier than the other lenses in the set like the cine primes, 200 g lighter than the EF version as they did already for the 35/1.4.

No magic required.
One of the core concepts of the VCM lineup is maintaining a similar weight and balance, allowing for easy switching on a gimbal. I doubt they would make it 200 grams heavier than the others.

That said, a good 85mm f/1.4 lens doesn’t have to weigh 750 grams anymore. Look at the Sigma DG DN or the Sony GM Mark II—they’re both under 700 grams. My Samyang RF 85mm f/1.4 is even under 600 grams. The image quality is decent, but the coating is lacking (which obviously wouldn’t be an issue for Canon).

However, a 67mm filter thread is really tricky. Only the Sirui Aurora manages it, but it's too soft and doesn’t meet Canon’s standards.

I'm really afraid they'll give us an 85mm f/1.8. It would be easy to make it 67mm, fixing some of the issues with the 85mm f/2, like slow autofocus and lack of weather sealing, so videographers would still have enough reason to buy it. This way, they can keep pushing people toward the RF 85mm f/1.2 while leaving room to sell us an 85mm f/1.4 later.
 
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One of the core concepts of the VCM lineup is maintaining a similar weight and balance, allowing for easy switching on a gimbal. I doubt they would make it 200 grams heavier than the others.
As I pointed out, the same logic applies (even more so, in fact) to the CN-E lenses and the 85/1.3 is 200 g heavier than the 24/35/50mm CN-E primes.

However, a 67mm filter thread is really tricky. Only the Sirui Aurora manages it, but it's too soft and doesn’t meet Canon’s standards.
Not that tricky. The EF 85/1.2 isn’t the sharpest optic, but it takes a 72mm filter for its calculated 70.8mm aperture diameter. The EF 135/2 is a very sharp optic, and uses a 72mm filter for the calculated 67.5mm aperture. So I think Canon can use a 67mm filter for the calculated 60.7mm aperture of an 85/1.4. Particularly since digital correction the corners is now the norm.
 
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Not that tricky. The EF 85/1.2 isn’t the sharpest optic, but it takes a 72mm filter for its calculated 70.8mm aperture diameter. The EF 135/2 is a very sharp optic, and uses a 72mm filter for the calculated 67.5mm aperture. So I think Canon can use a 67mm filter for the calculated 60.7mm aperture of an 85/1.4. Particularly since digital correction the corners is now the norm.
Yes, a 60mm iris still makes it technically possible, so I’m hoping it happens. I’d be happy to replace my two cheap third-party 85mm f/1.4 lenses (which are obviously imaginary to cope with Sony's superiority—everyone knows third-party lenses don’t even exist for Canon RF). But the 85mm f/1.8 patent still worries me.
 
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Yes, a 60mm iris still makes it technically possible, so I’m hoping it happens. I’d be happy to replace my two cheap third-party 85mm f/1.4 lenses (which are obviously imaginary to cope with Sony's superiority—everyone knows third-party lenses don’t even exist for Canon). But the 85mm f/1.8 patent still worries me.
I think the problem with it being f/1.8 is putting the red ring on it. The 28-70/2.8 has L-series optical quality (Canon states) and weather sealing, but it’s not L presumably because of the 24-70/2.8L.

The EF 85/1.4L means Canon would lose face with an RF 85/1.8L. Going up (EF 50/1.4 to RF 50/1.4L) is fine. Going down (EF 85/1.4L to RF 85/1.8L), no.
 
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2,050€ for a prime f1.4 lens?! What the actual F-stop, Canon!?!?!?

The 50mm f1.4 VCM currently costs 1,250.00€.
The 35mm f1.4 VCM can be found for 1.300.00€
The 24mm f1.4 VCM around 1.600.00€

Why does this lens cost 450€ more!? Complete nonsense.
This is the most magical of all VCMs, but indeed this price is beyond me. It costs as much as the 200-800mm, and they say that size matters. Is this the big little man, or the little big man?
 
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I checked the Sigma 85mm f1.4 e-mount. It seems possible to make the same size and weight.

Canon RF50mm f1.4
76.5 x 99.3 mm
580g

Sigma 85mm f1.4
82.8 x 96.1 mm
630g

I didnt check sigma because I checked Sony is bigger and heavier. I have never thought Sigma is smaller than Sony 85mm

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2,050€ for a prime f1.4 lens?! What the actual F-stop, Canon!?!?!?

The 50mm f1.4 VCM currently costs 1,250.00€.
The 35mm f1.4 VCM can be found for 1.300.00€
The 24mm f1.4 VCM around 1.600.00€

Why does this lens cost 450€ more!? Complete nonsense.
I would really like to know where you can find the prices you named in Europe:
"The 50mm f1.4 VCM currently costs 1,250.00€.
The 35mm f1.4 VCM can be found for 1.300.00€" ????
So, please tell us where you'd get such heavy discounts...
Not even the most generous grey market retailers sell them for less than 1600 euros...
Maybe you also know that a 21mm f/1,4 is more complex to make (cost of special glass etc...) than a 50mm that sells in much higher quantities.
 
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