I would have gladly paid $99 for the rumored firmware, but what Canon is actually offering is vastly inferior.
Bummer.
Bummer.
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Canon USA Announces Canon Log Feature Upgrade for the EOS 5D Mark IV
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Canon Rumors said:After all these years, I still get burned on misinformation from time to time, though a lot less than at the beginning. I should have stopped at the C-Log.
When you're right, no on says anything. When you're wrong..... omg! The hate emails have started already
For the record, The EF 85mm f/1.4L IS is real and will be coming in a few months (along with the 6D2)!
Oh that wasn't a knock on you, the rumors come, you print em. I just thought people were dreaming big on that one because Canon has never shown they have hardware capable of that, ever.
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bsbeamer said:
I don't think canon has ever announced a camera at NAB.
CINI stuff .. sure, but not a camera. was the 1DC announced at NAB? that may have been the last.
probabbly they are too busy looking over all the Sony stuff they got yesterday from an anonymous source
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I'm hoping that unmodified 5D4 cameras won't become second class citizens when it comes to future firmware updates. Best case would be the modification just installs a software key somewhere that unlocks the feature in a firmware update that can be installed on all cameras.
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I just bought my camera two weeks ago...and I do not care about any of these features....Stills-only for me...love the camera and will have it for years......the only thing that bothers me is that this paid-update-after-release will someday effect the resale value of my camera. ....um....that TIPA award should be retracted. LOL! 
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Man the no 4K recropping really took the wind out my my sails I was thinking long and hard about buying a few more 5Dmk4's but now.... not so sure. As far as getting the rumor wrong DON'T EVEN SWEAT IT!! That is what a RUMOR is just keep providing us rumors to enjoy and dream about 
I was thinking long and hard about buying a few more 5Dmk4's but now.... not so sure. As far as getting the rumor wrong DON'T EVEN SWEAT IT!! That is what a RUMOR is just keep providing us rumors to enjoy and dream about
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myjtp said:Man the no 4K recropping really took the wind out my my sails
go get yourself some sweet Sigma APS-C CINI lenses and don't look back.
I always thought a 1.2 to a 1.3 crop would be a pain in the ass more so then a 1.7 crop just for the UWA's out there.
just like it was for APS-H sensors, the 1.3 was a no man's land. can't use APS-C lenses and full frame lenses aren't as wide angle as they should be.
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infared said:
Why would it affect resale value? It appears that Canon will soon be selling two versions of the 5DIV, standard for $3499 or with C-Log preinstalled for an extra $3599. I could see you being concerned if Canon were to charge $99 for the upgrade on existing cameras but then include the feature in new cameras for free, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Rather, I'd thing it would affect resale in the converse way - for those selling a 5DIV with C-Log, they'd have to explain (to some) why they're asking more than the typical price.
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"The camera will also be available for sale (body only) with the feature upgrade pre-installed starting in July, with an estimated retail price of $3,599.00*."
Yes, I see that the new model is $100 more than the other model, but that wording is kind of vague. i.e. it is not "clear". So if they are going to sell two models...will the new model have a new name? ...and then I guess that there would have be separated firmware updates etc. if/when they come down the pike? Having a separate name designation would make things simple and clear for resale, too.
Whatever. I am not losing any sleep over it. I plan on using my camera for years. It will be interesting to see what develops, though.
Yes, I see that the new model is $100 more than the other model, but that wording is kind of vague. i.e. it is not "clear". So if they are going to sell two models...will the new model have a new name? ...and then I guess that there would have be separated firmware updates etc. if/when they come down the pike? Having a separate name designation would make things simple and clear for resale, too.
Whatever. I am not losing any sleep over it. I plan on using my camera for years. It will be interesting to see what develops, though.
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OK, I am still looking into this and it turns out I may not be as happy about this upgrade/FIX that I thought I would be.. Canon Log is fantastic.. But is the 4K still freaking motion jpeg????? I am having a hard time finding anything on this, except for that in the video were their engineer explains Canon Log pros and cons, that he mentions you can still get a screen grab.. Which tends to make me believe its still f'n motion jpeg...
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Canon Rumors said:After all these years, I still get burned on misinformation from time to time, though a lot less than at the beginning. I should have stopped at the C-Log.
When you're right, no on says anything. When you're wrong..... omg! The hate emails have started already
For the record, The EF 85mm f/1.4L IS is real and will be coming in a few months (along with the 6D2)!
I disagree. The given information is for entertainment firstly, and it's a competition (against the hiding efforts of canon) to get information earlier than intended and without doing serious crime. So thanks for your effort, and all with a probability can come out in every way. Subjective intention is fooled by hopes, otherwise nobody would spend money for lottery.
What could be checkes is, what could be possible from a technical point of view, at least by somebody who knows the required data processing. For my non-understanding, what i always wonder, is how they match any sensor resolution to output resolution (incl. the bayer filter complications). Somehow the sensor output must get interpolated or partly skipped, which must be very computing intensive in case of 4k.
But back to this rumor. A 1dx2 must have more than twice computing power, so mybe it could have been checked if the rumored crop factor changes could have been done without hardware upgrade, and it would be interesting how other companies do this. I do not think, that a Nikon, Sony, Panasonic or any other "cheap" camera has much more computing power than a 5d4, and if it would be, there would be other differences in performance visible. In this context it could be nicely felt how much more power a 5d3 had than a 5d2.
other question is what is done on software level and what on hardware level. If known, this could rule out what can not be done by a firmware upgrade.
Maybe the guys of magic lantern have very deep understanding about these details, and could help to verify such rumors.
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Notes about Image Quality with Canon Log:
When Canon Log is set, horizontal noise stripes may appear in movies depending on subject or shooting conditions. From Canon: "It is recommended to shoot a few test movies and check before the actual shooting. Note that noise may become more noticeable especially when you apply strong contrast during color grading of the shot movie.
Horizontal noise stripes tend to appear when the subject is dark and flat or [Peripheral illum.] is set to [Enable]. This noise may also appear when ISO speed is relatively low, such as at ISO 400.
When the noise is noticeable, it is recommended to set [Peripheral illum.] to [Disable], shoot in brighter exposure, and perform brightness adjustment during color grading. Also, noise may be decreased when you shoot at ISO speed lower than ISO 400 (even though the dynamic range will be narrowed)."
Is this a standard issue with LOG, or just the 5D IV? I don't remember ever having trouble on the c100's and c300's with this issue...
When Canon Log is set, horizontal noise stripes may appear in movies depending on subject or shooting conditions. From Canon: "It is recommended to shoot a few test movies and check before the actual shooting. Note that noise may become more noticeable especially when you apply strong contrast during color grading of the shot movie.
Horizontal noise stripes tend to appear when the subject is dark and flat or [Peripheral illum.] is set to [Enable]. This noise may also appear when ISO speed is relatively low, such as at ISO 400.
When the noise is noticeable, it is recommended to set [Peripheral illum.] to [Disable], shoot in brighter exposure, and perform brightness adjustment during color grading. Also, noise may be decreased when you shoot at ISO speed lower than ISO 400 (even though the dynamic range will be narrowed)."
Is this a standard issue with LOG, or just the 5D IV? I don't remember ever having trouble on the c100's and c300's with this issue...
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[longtime lurker / first post] I had returned my newly purchased 5D Mk IV to wait this out figuring if there was indeed a hardware change, it would be months until it was available. In it's place I got the new 100-400 II (so much better than the original) and 24-70 2.8 II (also impressive versus the 24-105) for my old 5D. If I do go back and get the 5D Mk IV, $99 is trivial enough on a $3,500 camera that "why not" comes in to play.
Overall, though, I'm on the fence about re-purchasing the Mk IV. I loved the ergonomics, the improved dynamic range, and color (coming from the original 5D, especially), but I feel like the dynamic range still falls short of what I see taken with the D810. On paper it's close, but in the RAW files, I could only pull out about a third as much from the shadows as I can from various D810 sample files I've dowloaded; and, when pulling up the shadows, the Mk IV introduces a surprising amount of color noise that has to be taken out in Lightroom. I do think the overall color in the Mk IV shots was nothing short of stunning, with nearly a slide film "fluid" look to the images.
I'm going to have a lot of hand-wringing over re-purchasing the Mk IV. Not that I would consider a D810, but perhaps an upcoming A7rIII or A9r plus adapter. I tried the 6D as a stop-gap, but I couldn't get past the fragile feel of the selection wheel and the gritty/dark grain (actually preferred the original 5D).
Overall, though, I'm on the fence about re-purchasing the Mk IV. I loved the ergonomics, the improved dynamic range, and color (coming from the original 5D, especially), but I feel like the dynamic range still falls short of what I see taken with the D810. On paper it's close, but in the RAW files, I could only pull out about a third as much from the shadows as I can from various D810 sample files I've dowloaded; and, when pulling up the shadows, the Mk IV introduces a surprising amount of color noise that has to be taken out in Lightroom. I do think the overall color in the Mk IV shots was nothing short of stunning, with nearly a slide film "fluid" look to the images.
I'm going to have a lot of hand-wringing over re-purchasing the Mk IV. Not that I would consider a D810, but perhaps an upcoming A7rIII or A9r plus adapter. I tried the 6D as a stop-gap, but I couldn't get past the fragile feel of the selection wheel and the gritty/dark grain (actually preferred the original 5D).
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