Canon Will Announce Their First Full Frame Mirrorless in 2018 [CR3]

[Kit.]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

One could be said for sure: it won't be EOS C700 FF at EOS M price point.

 

[ahsanford]

I am dismayed that Canon would release a FF mirrorless body instead of working on ______. Zero interest for me

Canon already makes several APS-C mirrorless bodies. What does their releasing a FF one have to do with you, if you're not interested? What is the point of this post?

+1. See edit above. Would be helpful context -- without it, you're just shaking your fist in the air.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

I'm not a video ace, but I doubt a new camera north of $2k from Canon in 2018 will not have 4K and DPAF driving it. But fear not: I'm guessing Canon will let video folks down somehow, so they'll have plenty of the high-grade complaint fodder they crave.

- A

 

[Kit.]

I am dismayed that Canon would release a FF mirrorless body instead of working on ______. Zero interest for me

Canon already makes several APS-C mirrorless bodies. What does their releasing a FF one have to do with you, if you're not interested? What is the point of this post?

+1. See edit above.

50/1.4

 

[3kramd5]

I am dismayed that Canon would release a FF mirrorless body instead of working on ______. Zero interest for me

Canon already makes several APS-C mirrorless bodies. What does their releasing a FF one have to do with you, if you're not interested? What is the point of this post?

+1. See edit above. Would be helpful context -- without it, you're just shaking your fist in the air.

- A

Getting Morris Day and the Time on contract to promote the next camera line!

 

[dak723]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

Yaaaawn. "Jump ship" or don't. More likely, you'll just keep injecting your negativity into these forums.

Yes, Just another Sony plant or a troll.

 

[tpatana]

Hoping for EF mount, Dual sd slots with atleast one Uhs-2.

Are there better than UHS-II cards / readers out there?

I hope its a professional model and stays away from SD cards. They all are really slow once they have been used and formatted, speeds go to a crawl. They are too small to use with gloves on in cold weather. I have one in the 2nd slot of my 5D MK IV, but because of their slow speed, it only gets used for small jpeg files.

Agreed.

Give me (about in order of importance):
-EF Mount
-superior IQ w/ 30-50Mpix
-<$3000
-CF+SD or CFast+SD, or maybe CFast+CF (but that'd take lot of space)
-close to 5D size, maybe take the pentaprism away. With optional grip to make it 1D size

And I'll buy one.

 

[vangelismm]

4. Sony actually loses money per unit sold, but wants to keep the presence of its brand on the market.

Reference: ?

...that's kind of how they sold PS3 and PS4, correct? Sell it at cost (or in the PS's case, a loss initially I believe) to get folks to adopt the system and bring revenue in through other channels, correct?

It's conjecture that any of the above (1-3 that I offered) are happening, of course. Just a guess.

- A

PS1, PS2 too.
And a lot of money lost per unit, back in the days the news reported more than 600 dolares cost to sell for 399,00.

 

[stevelee]

The inkjet printer market has for a long time used the Gillette model of giving away the razor in order to make money off the blades, at least some segments of that market.

I don't see how that works with cameras, given that you are not selling film, and the bulk of camera buyers don't get more than a lens or two, I think.

Then there was the car dealer on TV who advertised that they lost money on every deal, but they made up for it with volume.

(I sometimes use that to explain my singing.)

 

[3kramd5]

Then there was the car dealer on TV who advertised that they lost money on every deal, but they made up for it with volume.

Haha, he probably has a bridge to sell too.

 

[transpo1]

Hoping for EF mount, Dual sd slots with atleast one Uhs-2.

Are there better than UHS-II cards / readers out there?

I hope its a professional model and stays away from SD cards. They all are really slow once they have been used and formatted, speeds go to a crawl. They are too small to use with gloves on in cold weather. I have one in the 2nd slot of my 5D MK IV, but because of their slow speed, it only gets used for small jpeg files.

Agreed.

Give me (about in order of importance):
-EF Mount
-superior IQ w/ 30-50Mpix
-<$3000
-CF+SD or CFast+SD, or maybe CFast+CF (but that'd take lot of space)
-close to 5D size, maybe take the pentaprism away. With optional grip to make it 1D size

And I'll buy one.

Umm...just buy a DSLR maybe? They make plenty of those.

 

[Rocky]

On a side note, Sony's first commercial product was a rice cooker.

Sony's first commercial product is a small transistor radio, Model TR55. Sony has never been in rice cooker business.

 

[Rocky]

Then there was the car dealer on TV who advertised that they lost money on every deal, but they made up for it with volume.

Haha, he probably has a bridge to sell too.

UK DID sold the London Bridge to US

 

[rrcphoto]

The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

yawn.

jump ship already. You threatened, or promised you were getting an A7III a while ago. Please just do.

Dpreview and here would be so much better without you infesting both forums with your drivel and continual bitching and moaning.

 

[Ozarker]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

Yaaaawn. "Jump ship" or don't. More likely, you'll just keep injecting your negativity into these forums.

Yes, Just another Sony plant or a troll.

All together now: Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! Please jump! etc.

 

[Ozarker]

Reading the answers, I'm pretty convinced that I won't be switching to mirrorless anytime soon.

I don't see it as switching at all -- my SLR is not going anywhere. I see mirrorless as another FF option to do the things my SLR cannot: take up less space in my bag, liveview 10x (or peaking) with MF glass through the VF, adapt old glass, etc.

It also may be the first FF body with on-chip ADC + a tilty-flippy, a combination Canon rather surprisingly does not offer in 2018.

- A

Oh now, you have shown that FF mirrorless doesn't necessarily mean smaller. At least length wise. We'll just have to wait for what Canon does. Maybe it will be smaller, but I doubt it will be enough to make any real difference.

You can readily adapt old glass to your DSLR right now with wonderful results $10 adapter, $20 if you want a focus confirmation beep (without any electrical contacts necessary on the lens). A sort of AFMA is available too. I have 36 old lenses I adapt to my 5D Mark III with no problem, though focus peaking would be wonderful for MF. 10X in the viewfinder would also be nice, but now that I think about it I'm not sure exactly how helpful that would be. 50mm x10? Hand holding would be awful for trying to focus at 10X, I think. I'm imagining that it would feel like trying to hold a 500mm lens still to focus... jumping all over the place. I guess one might be able to just jump to 2x or 3x? I don't know.

So other than the focus peaking (if accurate, and from what I understand the version on Canon's M models isn't good at all), I really cannot think of anything else I could use that a DSLR doesn't already do, but everyone has their own list. Very high burst rates? Not for me. Larger spread on focus points? Yes, that would be nice.

Like I said, everyone has their own list. I just don't see a compelling reason for me to go that route.

 

[transpo1]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

Yaaaawn. "Jump ship" or don't. More likely, you'll just keep injecting your negativity into these forums.

Yes, Just another Sony plant or a troll.

All together now: Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! Please jump! etc.

And a lot of the negativity in this forum comes from those call others trolls when they request a certain feature. Just because you don’t need it does not mean it’s not a valid request for a Canon product.

 

[3kramd5]

but now that I think about it I'm not sure exactly how helpful that would be. 50mm x10? Hand holding would be awful for trying to focus at 10X, I think. I'm imagining that it would feel like trying to hold a 500mm lens still to focus... jumping all over the place.

With IS enabled it’s fine.

 

[dak723]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

Yaaaawn. "Jump ship" or don't. More likely, you'll just keep injecting your negativity into these forums.

Yes, Just another Sony plant or a troll.

All together now: Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! Please jump! etc.

And a lot of the negativity in this forum comes from those call others trolls when they request a certain feature. Just because you don’t need it does not mean it’s not a valid request for a Canon product.

Request a certain feature???

Here's how a mature adult requests a feature or discusses features rationally on an internet forum:

"I sure hope the new camera has 4K. I'd also like to see such-and-such codec because (actual reason given). While it might be cropped, I hope the crop factor is less than XX, and of course, I would hope to see DPAF.

Here's how a troll does it:

"I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one."

If you don't see the difference between a mature adult who actually want to discuss things or give their personal wish list and someone who intentionally over-exaggerates and used inflammatory language (the definition of a troll), then I guess I can't make it any more clear.

 

[transpo1]

I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one.

No 4K at all?
Poor codec?
Horrific crop?
No DPAF?

All are possible, at least one or two are likely. The wait for this camera is the only thing keeping me from jumping ship. This camera has to be competitive.

Yaaaawn. "Jump ship" or don't. More likely, you'll just keep injecting your negativity into these forums.

Yes, Just another Sony plant or a troll.

All together now: Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! Please jump! etc.

And a lot of the negativity in this forum comes from those call others trolls when they request a certain feature. Just because you don’t need it does not mean it’s not a valid request for a Canon product.

Request a certain feature???

Here's how a mature adult requests a feature or discusses features rationally on an internet forum:

"I sure hope the new camera has 4K. I'd also like to see such-and-such codec because (actual reason given). While it might be cropped, I hope the crop factor is less than XX, and of course, I would hope to see DPAF.

Here's how a troll does it:

"I wonder how the 4K will be crippled in this one."

If you don't see the difference between a mature adult who actually want to discuss things or give their personal wish list and someone who intentionally over-exaggerates and used inflammatory language (the definition of a troll), then I guess I can't make it any more clear.

Is it possible this person’s a troll? Maybe. Is it possible he/she is just holding a ton of Canon glass, loves their products but wants more competitive features and is fed up? Also possible. The sad thing is it doesn’t matter because even when requests for 4K and other video features are made intelligently on this forum, there is a certain group who are adamantly dismissive. You know who you are.