CIPA November 2024: The Rise of the Compact

[Richard CN]

If you have been listening to me at all last year (and if you haven’t.. why the heck not?), one thing I have noted is that there’s a weird renaissance happening with compact cameras, especially in Japan.

CIPA November 2024: The Rise of the Compact

If you have been listening to me at all last year (and if you haven't.. why the heck not?), one thing I have noted is that there's a weird renaissance happening

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[OldDudePhotog]

I think it would be awesome to have a compact FF camera in my pocket or that could be left in the vehicle. I have had a few times that I wish I had my camera with me but do not wish to just leave it in the truck or want to pack it out every day.

 

[DhlcadR6]

R8 without EVF, or M6ii with RF mount. RF28 pancake is ready, just need a body that fits well with.

 

[brent1395]

Yet another datapoint showing how successful the M series could’ve been if Canon hadn’t botched it.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The DSLR market is contracting because no one is making anything new. It's a case of the manufacturers are dictating the market and not the customer. They saysing...hey look...everyone is buying MILC.
It's soon to be a similar story with our cars. Soon (due to political coersion) the customer will be unable to buy new or insure old ICE cars but only new EV's, regardless of the wishes of the customer.
can you imagine going into your local supermarkets and finding all of the meat is no longer fro sale and has been swapped for Quorn substitutes....because someone who is leading (beyond their authority) has deemed it to be better for you.

 

[LDS]

Interesting - is it a fad or something more long lasting? Are more people tired of phone limitations and switching back to cameras, or just a retro fashion that will disappear soon?

 

[alFR]

It's soon to be a similar story with our cars. Soon (due to political coersion) the customer will be unable to buy new or insure old ICE cars but only new EV's, regardless of the wishes of the customer.

Good luck with that, any government that brought that in would be summarily voted out at the next election. It'll be decades until the last ICE cars are off the road.

 

[Quack]

The DSLR market is contracting because no one is making anything new. It's a case of the manufacturers are dictating the market and not the customer. They saysing...hey look...everyone is buying MILC.
It's soon to be a similar story with our cars. Soon (due to political coersion) the customer will be unable to buy new or insure old ICE cars but only new EV's, regardless of the wishes of the customer.
can you imagine going into your local supermarkets and finding all of the meat is no longer fro sale and has been swapped for Quorn substitutes....because someone who is leading (beyond their authority) has deemed it to be better for you.

The end of the DSLR is very simple. They evolved into mirrorless. Aside from the EVF replacing a OVF, they are essentially the same cameras. They look the same, feel the same, function the same. Just like DSLRs, each generation comes with some advances. Some advances came about due to them being mirrorless, but for all practical purposes, if you go out and take photos with your last DSLR and then with a new mirrorless, you are doing the exact same things. I know, gear-heads and forum warriors have always exaggerated any difference between them and made it some sort of competition. I'm sure they will chime in outraged. but I think any photographer knows that mirrorless is just a small evolutionary step up from mirrorless and when you have the camera in your hand and taking photos, you will barely notice the difference.

 

[neuroanatomist]

The DSLR market is contracting because no one is making anything new. It's a case of the manufacturers are dictating the market and not the customer. They saysing...hey look...everyone is buying MILC.

Love the way you rewrote history. Lol. Even while Canon and Nikon were still developing and launching new DSLRs at all product levels, MILC market share was steadily increasing.

Sure, the shift accelerated dramatically when the dominant player in the market stopped launching new DSLR models. But the transition was going to happen anyway, Canon could see that even if you can’t and they acted accordingly. It’s why they still dominate the market.

 

[frankchn]

But the transition was going to happen anyway, Canon could see that even if you can’t and they acted accordingly. It’s why they still dominate the market.

Agreed, once mirrorless AF caught up to (and surpassed) DSLR sub-mirror AF, the writing was on the wall for DSLRs. The 1DX3 has the world's most advanced DSLR AF system, and the R1 is significantly better. Everyone in the industry knew that (except Pentax I guess).

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Good luck with that, any government that brought that in would be summarily voted out at the next election. It'll be decades until the last ICE cars are off the road.

California has done this, and as far as I know, they are still in power and were just re-elected.

 

[jam05]

Duh. More people are traveling. The airlines have reported record profits. Flights are full. Travel & compact cameras that will not fill up every nook and space of ones carry on is the choice. And especially those with many video choices yet still very compact. An EVF is not required despite the tears of traditionalist. Many people are simply choosing a compact to pair with ones phone. Not everyone wants to fill up their phone storage.Canon had its ear to traditionalist and have yet to replace the M6mk ii. So they are far behind everyone else in the compact sector.

 

[jam05]

The DSLR market is contracting because no one is making anything new. It's a case of the manufacturers are dictating the market and not the customer. They saysing...hey look...everyone is buying MILC.
It's soon to be a similar story with our cars. Soon (due to political coersion) the customer will be unable to buy new or insure old ICE cars but only new EV's, regardless of the wishes of the customer.
can you imagine going into your local supermarkets and finding all of the meat is no longer fro sale and has been swapped for Quorn substitutes....because someone who is leading (beyond their authority) has deemed it to be better for you.

They are producing things new. Problem is the company that manufactures the most and has the largest market share refuses to manufacture a compact humpless camera. Yep they goofed up. Canon for once completely misread the market. All the noise about "It has no EVF" drowned out reality. The M6mk II. Never got replaced. Sony's has been allowed to go uncontested and their prices are, well, typical of Sony.

 

[jam05]

Canon, get off your butz and replace the M6mkii and release some modern compacts to pair with our smart phones. With video that we can port to "Reels" etc. Ya listening? And keep the price down will ya. It dont have to be Netflix certified

 

[neuroanatomist]

Ya listening?

To you? No.

 

[mpmark]

Next you're gonna tell me records are coming back

 

[DhlcadR6]

Duh. More people are traveling. The airlines have reported record profits. Flights are full. Travel & compact cameras that will not fill up every nook and space of ones carry on is the choice. And especially those with many video choices yet still very compact. An EVF is not required despite the tears of traditionalist. Many people are simply choosing a compact to pair with ones phone. Not everyone wants to fill up their phone storage.Canon had its ear to traditionalist and have yet to replace the M6mk ii. So they are far behind everyone else in the compact sector.

Sales shows otherwise. R50 R100(yes, the one everyone hates) R8 areselling well. Sony hasn't refresh their RX100 RX1 despite the "need" of compacts. Olympus Panasonic m43 isn't coming back any time soon.

 

[Maximilian]

... a weird renaissance happening with compact cameras ...

I would love it, if this "weird renaissance" were more than a flash in the pan.
Esp. because p&s sensors can be bigger than those in cell phones.

R8 without EVF, or M6ii with RF mount. RF28 pancake is ready, just need a body that fits well with.

+1 Either this or a PowerShot G7 X Mark IV with new sensor and AF tech.

 

[Skux]

Next you're gonna tell me records are coming back

Who gon tell him

 

[alFR]

California has done this, and as far as I know, they are still in power and were just re-elected.

You’re saying that in California no- one can buy any model of ICE car and those owning them already can’t buy any sort of insurance for them so have to send them to the scrap heap as of their next insurance renewal date? I find that hard to believe.