Crop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
Hmmm... so if I don't pay for the upgrade (because, you know, budget), I essentially have a faulty camera with lowered resale value? Or put another way, I pay a premium for being an early adopter? I already do that. Extorting this upgrade from me would make me angry. I think Canon would be wise to do this for cost of shipping.
Hmmm... so if I don't pay for the upgrade (because, you know, budget), I essentially have a faulty camera with lowered resale value? Or put another way, I pay a premium for being an early adopter? I already do that. Extorting this upgrade from me would make me angry. I think Canon would be wise to do this for cost of shipping.
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
I am pretty sure if you still have the guarantee, you wont have to pay for that.
If not ... maybe the upgrade is so easy to make, that you can do it by yourself ... in the kitchen 8)
dadohead said:
I am pretty sure if you still have the guarantee, you wont have to pay for that.
If not ... maybe the upgrade is so easy to make, that you can do it by yourself ... in the kitchen 8)
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
This is actually all pretty huge news and I hope the firmware drops asap but simultaneously disappointed I'm gonna have to send it out for a hardware upgrade, that's poor planning on their part. Not to mention that in Canada, shipping anything back to Canon Canada (in my experience) means you're left hanging for 3 weeks or more without your gear.
This is actually all pretty huge news and I hope the firmware drops asap but simultaneously disappointed I'm gonna have to send it out for a hardware upgrade, that's poor planning on their part. Not to mention that in Canada, shipping anything back to Canon Canada (in my experience) means you're left hanging for 3 weeks or more without your gear.
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
Perhaps they wanted to punish the early adopters, so they learn to chill the f* out and wait like the rest of us? Let's be honest: The stress levels in those Canon stores at release of a new model is just unbearable these days. Everybody relax with their wallet and spread out their purchase like responsible adults here!
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dadohead said:
Perhaps they wanted to punish the early adopters, so they learn to chill the f* out and wait like the rest of us? Let's be honest: The stress levels in those Canon stores at release of a new model is just unbearable these days. Everybody relax with their wallet and spread out their purchase like responsible adults here!
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
Amazing new features being added to the 5DIV, and as always some people are not happy.
Yes. If you bought a camera before and have to pay to have it upgraded then you might be unhappy with this. But remember, you bought a camera based on the features it had advertised, and not these new features. If you want these new features then it's only fair you pay to get them.
Clearly if there's a hardware modification needed to the camera then it's going to cost Canon a ton of money if they had to do these for free. Remember, this is not a product recall because of a fault. This is Canon giving valuable new features to your new camera for a modest cost.
What would the alternative be? Waiting for the 5D Mark V?
So, if you want the new features and you want your heat sink upgraded to cope with them better, be prepared to pay for it. It's worth it.
Amazing new features being added to the 5DIV, and as always some people are not happy.
Yes. If you bought a camera before and have to pay to have it upgraded then you might be unhappy with this. But remember, you bought a camera based on the features it had advertised, and not these new features. If you want these new features then it's only fair you pay to get them.
Clearly if there's a hardware modification needed to the camera then it's going to cost Canon a ton of money if they had to do these for free. Remember, this is not a product recall because of a fault. This is Canon giving valuable new features to your new camera for a modest cost.
What would the alternative be? Waiting for the 5D Mark V?
So, if you want the new features and you want your heat sink upgraded to cope with them better, be prepared to pay for it. It's worth it.
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
So...I do not give a hoot about any of those features ( ??? whatever they are?), as I am a stills photographer recently contemplating purchasing a 5DIV, to complement my 5D III ...So does this mean that new cameras coming out of the pipe will have these modifications installed?...and does that also mean that I could pick up a new unmodified camera body out on the shelf of a retailer at a nicely discounted price because, suddenly they will be "less desirable" to everyone but me, apparently?!?!
BTW I will believe all this when it actually happens...since it sounds too much like a golden goose the way you guys are all raving.
So...I do not give a hoot about any of those features ( ??? whatever they are?), as I am a stills photographer recently contemplating purchasing a 5DIV, to complement my 5D III ...So does this mean that new cameras coming out of the pipe will have these modifications installed?...and does that also mean that I could pick up a new unmodified camera body out on the shelf of a retailer at a nicely discounted price because, suddenly they will be "less desirable" to everyone but me, apparently?!?!
BTW I will believe all this when it actually happens...since it sounds too much like a golden goose the way you guys are all raving.
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
If it enabled 4K 60p I'd pick one up, but I'm guessing I'll have to grab the gh5 and a couple lenses. Never thought I'd be a two system guy but the 1dx2 is just out of reach for now. Nice update for a lot of folks though if true
If it enabled 4K 60p I'd pick one up, but I'm guessing I'll have to grab the gh5 and a couple lenses. Never thought I'd be a two system guy but the 1dx2 is just out of reach for now. Nice update for a lot of folks though if true
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
I was just thinking about posting a "so what" comment because so many people do that in topics I am interested in but you've beat me to it. Actually, I just like reading about any new stuff whether I want it or not, so go for it, people who want it.infared said:
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
There will probably be a reasonably long window if you need to save up for the operation; it's not like a banana republic currency devaluation where all your 100's bills need to be traded in by Monday.dadohead said:
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
I do care about these features even if I don't do any video, and don't intend to buy this camera. (Price, not features)
For two reasons:
1. The only other DSLR with a similar feature set was $12,000 at release. That means tech is fast falling in price, and trickling down to lower end models.
2. The more people canon dslr's can cater to, the more people will buy them. The more people buy it, the more ROI on the R&D for that unit. Eventually lower price for everyone.
Looks good for the 7D III and 90D, as well as the 6D II
I do care about these features even if I don't do any video, and don't intend to buy this camera. (Price, not features)
For two reasons:
1. The only other DSLR with a similar feature set was $12,000 at release. That means tech is fast falling in price, and trickling down to lower end models.
2. The more people canon dslr's can cater to, the more people will buy them. The more people buy it, the more ROI on the R&D for that unit. Eventually lower price for everyone.
Looks good for the 7D III and 90D, as well as the 6D II
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
this only works if new cameras with the features already incorporated get a price hike equivalent to the cost of the upgrade - after all if new buyers want these new features then it's only fair that they pay for them as well..
whatever happens, you can be sure that someone will be unhappy with the outcome. probably whoever doesn't get the new features for free...
Anyway, I think I'll wait for the official announcement and make my mind up then. I'd be interested to know if this ends up being a video-only firmware update, or if there's other things in there as well.
jolyonralph said:
this only works if new cameras with the features already incorporated get a price hike equivalent to the cost of the upgrade - after all if new buyers want these new features then it's only fair that they pay for them as well..
whatever happens, you can be sure that someone will be unhappy with the outcome. probably whoever doesn't get the new features for free...
Anyway, I think I'll wait for the official announcement and make my mind up then. I'd be interested to know if this ends up being a video-only firmware update, or if there's other things in there as well.
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So would it be fair to hope 10 bit video is within reach in future updates? This would give me the opportunity as a 30/70 video/photo guy to finally leave Panasonic behind along with our love hate relationship. Even if it was just on the 3k mode, that would give huge latitude for reframing and LUTs while giving me a chance to second shoot with Canon primaries at weddings.
Sorry if this is basic shit one should know not to ask as I am pretty dumb in these matters compared to many other commenters here it appears.
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
Ok, so the firmware is free, but the heat sink change is an opt-in / probably fee-based servicing -- did I get that right?
If so, between the fee (or bother of shipping) potentially being too burdensome or from some folks not hearing/caring about this change (non-4k folks, stills-only folks, etc.), we would then have some nontrivial percentage of units to date without the necessary heat sinks on board.
So what is one to do with two different hardware variants in the field? If the firmware rev is the same, how does one looking for a bargain 5D4 on the resale market know if the hardware change was performed? I'm guessing a BIOS (or whatever a camera has, please forgive my ignorance) wouldn't report out hardware to the heat sink level. So how would you know? Run some demanding video settings and checking the temperature?
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Ok, so the firmware is free, but the heat sink change is an opt-in / probably fee-based servicing -- did I get that right?
If so, between the fee (or bother of shipping) potentially being too burdensome or from some folks not hearing/caring about this change (non-4k folks, stills-only folks, etc.), we would then have some nontrivial percentage of units to date without the necessary heat sinks on board.
So what is one to do with two different hardware variants in the field? If the firmware rev is the same, how does one looking for a bargain 5D4 on the resale market know if the hardware change was performed? I'm guessing a BIOS (or whatever a camera has, please forgive my ignorance) wouldn't report out hardware to the heat sink level. So how would you know? Run some demanding video settings and checking the temperature?
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
"There will also be a new full-sensor 3K mode @ 60fps."
Boom! That's all I wanted!
"There will also be a new full-sensor 3K mode @ 60fps."
Boom! That's all I wanted!
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TedBedlam said:
Highly unlikely to see 10-bit 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 UHD/4K at 24/30/60fps in a 5D4 from Canon anytime soon. That's likely going to be held for the "C" line (C300+) releases.
Possible to see 10-bit 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 1080HD at 24/30/60fps due to the way conversions can be made from 8-bit 4:2:0 4K. (Read about the GH4 UHD conversions.)
Worth noting that unless you have a specific reason for needing 10-bit 1080HD, you will not notice a huge difference except in files sizes or time wasted doing conversions. You WILL see a difference in image quality whenever oversampling and properly scaling down (usually improves image quality and perceived resolution).
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Re: HiCrop Factor Change for 4K on Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Included in Coming Update & More
Maybe Canon will release a way (online database + public announcement ?) to identify the hardware based on the serial number, and a) update the database when the revision has been done and b) "mark" the updated cameras in some ways (just like Nikon did with the fixed D750 and D810) ?
At least that's what they should do, otherwise it will be a mess.
ahsanford said:So what is one to do with two different hardware variants in the field? If the firmware rev is the same, how does one looking for a bargain 5D4 on the resale market know if the hardware change was performed? I'm guessing a BIOS (or whatever a camera has, please forgive my ignorance) wouldn't report out hardware to the heat sink level. So how would you know? Run some demanding video settings and checking the temperature?
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Maybe Canon will release a way (online database + public announcement ?) to identify the hardware based on the serial number, and a) update the database when the revision has been done and b) "mark" the updated cameras in some ways (just like Nikon did with the fixed D750 and D810) ?
At least that's what they should do, otherwise it will be a mess.
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