EOS 6D Mark II, EOS Rebel SL2 Show Up For Certification Again
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let me make it clear, when Canon released 70D and 600EX they according to manuals they both had two separate versions one with Radio module built in(wifi in case of 70D and RT flash capability in case of 600 EX) and one without any radio module built in. I never saw the non radio version of 600ex-rt for sale, I was interested in picking it up for night wildlife shoots. I dont really need radio triggering capability as I have pocket wizards lying around. In case of 430EX-III, like 600ex it also has two different version for sale. Luckily this time around Canon is actually selling both those units in India, sure it was pain in rear side to procure the non-RT version but for me it was worth the savings. Take a look at this page from Canon India's website:Photorex said:
http://www.canon.co.in/personal/products/interchangeable-lens-camera/eos-accessories?languageCode=EN#type=speedlite
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once2work said:
Aside from the "2,800mp" -for which I assume you meant 28MP (unless I've misread your sarcasm), I've seen this spec floating around in a number of places. I think that this is too much to hope for, as it's far too close to the 5D Mk4. Unless of course you would be happy to pay 90% of the 5D Mk4's $3,500 price tag for a 6D Mk2 with 90% of its specifications, say $3,150? (plus "newness" premium
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traveller said:once2work said:
Aside from the "2,800mp" -for which I assume you meant 28MP (unless I've misread your sarcasm), I've seen this spec floating around in a number of places. I think that this is too much to hope for, as it's far too close to the 5D Mk4. Unless of course you would be happy to pay 90% of the 5D Mk4's $3,500 price tag for a 6D Mk2 with 90% of its specifications, say $3,150? (plus "newness" premium
less fps
less build quality
viewfinder will have less magnification
probably less video options
probably not all the fancy new features, DPRAW, DLO in camera, etc.
far far less AF and no iTR. (the 5D IV has the latest 1 series gen with a separate DIGIC AF/AE iTR processor)
the 7D to the 80D doesn't have much in the way of 10,000 foot spec changes, but the body cost difference was around 40% different.
the 7D to the 80D would be a good comparison to see where canon is going with it.
the 6D was 2300 at announcement, so around 2100 to 2500 would be the target price I would imagine.
by the time it's released, the 5D's wont' be sitting at 3500 you'd think as well.
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rrcphoto said:traveller said:once2work said:
Aside from the "2,800mp" -for which I assume you meant 28MP (unless I've misread your sarcasm), I've seen this spec floating around in a number of places. I think that this is too much to hope for, as it's far too close to the 5D Mk4. Unless of course you would be happy to pay 90% of the 5D Mk4's $3,500 price tag for a 6D Mk2 with 90% of its specifications, say $3,150? (plus "newness" premium
less fps
less build quality
viewfinder will have less magnification
probably less video options
probably not all the fancy new features, DPRAW, DLO in camera, etc.
far far less AF and no iTR. (the 5D IV has the latest 1 series gen with a separate DIGIC AF/AE iTR processor)
the 7D to the 80D doesn't have much in the way of 10,000 foot spec changes, but the body cost difference was around 40% different.
the 7D to the 80D would be a good comparison to see where canon is going with it.
the 6D was 2300 at announcement, so around 2100 to 2500 would be the target price I would imagine.
by the time it's released, the 5D's wont' be sitting at 3500 you'd think as well.
What do you think the specs will be for the 6D based off that price range?
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A senior Canon Rep said at The Photography Show they knew a large number of Canon users both pro and amateur were standing back from buying the 5D MKIV because of the price not the specification in the UK. At £ 3,600 its definitely a considered purchase so when the dealers who attend the show had cameras with rebates coming in at £ 2,849 they sold out of stock on day three of four and since then the price is back at £ 3,500 or £ 3,600 and on back-order.
The 6D MKII need to significantly move from the 6D of present and is most likely to arrive at the current outgoing price of the 5D MKIII which is between £ 2,100 - £ 2,200 at its launch. Over time this will likely fall to £ 1,600 - £ 1,800 but higher than the current 6D.
Anything less than 45AF points will have those moving up to FF not tied to Canon looking elsewhere, Ive said all along it needs to be a FF version of the 80D and maybe it should have a base version of 4K particularly if the 5D MKIV 4K is revised up with firmware.
The 6D has sold well for Canon and is cemented in its line-up but expectations have grown so we wait and see, my guess on sale in May with late April announcement.
The 6D MKII need to significantly move from the 6D of present and is most likely to arrive at the current outgoing price of the 5D MKIII which is between £ 2,100 - £ 2,200 at its launch. Over time this will likely fall to £ 1,600 - £ 1,800 but higher than the current 6D.
Anything less than 45AF points will have those moving up to FF not tied to Canon looking elsewhere, Ive said all along it needs to be a FF version of the 80D and maybe it should have a base version of 4K particularly if the 5D MKIV 4K is revised up with firmware.
The 6D has sold well for Canon and is cemented in its line-up but expectations have grown so we wait and see, my guess on sale in May with late April announcement.
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jeffa4444 said:
I think Canon has put themselves in a pickle.
If they copy the 80D's specs, then them selling the 5d MK IV for approximately $1000 more than the MK II (If the MK II's upper price limit is $2500) wouldn't make a lot of sense as there isn't a whole lot of justification for the $1000 extra.
It becomes worse if the MK II is less than $2500.
However, if they don't have good specs on the MK II, then people will feel less likely to get the Canon vs. other cameras that are more 'bang for your buck'. Slapping a few extra MPs, or cross focus points on it and charging $800 + over what the 6D has to offer has me scratching my head.
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rrcphoto said:traveller said:once2work said:
Aside from the "2,800mp" -for which I assume you meant 28MP (unless I've misread your sarcasm), I've seen this spec floating around in a number of places. I think that this is too much to hope for, as it's far too close to the 5D Mk4. Unless of course you would be happy to pay 90% of the 5D Mk4's $3,500 price tag for a 6D Mk2 with 90% of its specifications, say $3,150? (plus "newness" premium
less fps
less build quality
viewfinder will have less magnification
probably less video options
probably not all the fancy new features, DPRAW, DLO in camera, etc.
far far less AF and no iTR. (the 5D IV has the latest 1 series gen with a separate DIGIC AF/AE iTR processor)
the 7D to the 80D doesn't have much in the way of 10,000 foot spec changes, but the body cost difference was around 40% different.
the 7D to the 80D would be a good comparison to see where canon is going with it.
the 6D was 2300 at announcement, so around 2100 to 2500 would be the target price I would imagine.
by the time it's released, the 5D's wont' be sitting at 3500 you'd think as well.
I still don't see $1000 worth of differences in your list and I don't think that the 5D Mk4 will see a substantial price drop in the next six months, except for exchange rate changes (i.e. probably some instant rebates in the US now the Fed has raised interest rates again, but nothing in the UK as Stirling is still weak post-Brexit referendum).
That said, there is a lot of pressure from Nikon and the mirrorless crowd, so:
- I would expect the AF system would have to be 45 pt, as anything less would look silly considering even the 77D has this; I also think that Canon will be looking to correct the biggest perceived weakness of the 6D (like they did with the 5D Mk2 -> 5D Mk3 update). No doubt the coverage (vertical and horizontal) will be a lot less thank the 61pt system and there won't be the advanced tracking options.
- 6 vs 7fps is a bit moot IMHO. They are both medium-fast: i.e. if you need more than 6fps, then you are probably looking for a lot more than 7.
- I guess that the viewfinder will be the same 97%, 0.71x unit from the 6D. 100% is nicer, but not $1000 nicer!
- I've never tested out the weather sealing of my 5D Mk3, if it rains heavily then I tend to use a cover. As the Canon warranty (like all camera manufacturers') excludes water damage and no currently produced interchangeable lens camera that I know of has an IP rating, I consider this a touch moot. YMMV.
- I think that Canon have long moved the 5D line out of serious contention as video tools (although maybe they're rethinking this with the rumoured firmware upgrade http://www.canonrumors.com/c-log-update-to-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-not-just-a-firmware-update/).
- I don't think that anyone give much of a toss about the 5D Mk4's DPRAW or DLO features.
- I guess that the 6D Mk2 would omit the separate AF point joystick
Even with these points in mind, would I be prepared to spring an extra 1000 for the 5D Mk4 over this 6D Mk2 spec? Maybe it would be enough, especially given the haptic familiarity I have with the 5D line (even more so if I were to keep the 5D Mk3 as a second body). The fact that I am even thinking of a "downgrade" like this would probably worry Canon greatly.
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traveller said:
It isn't about how much it costs to put a functionality into a camera but the perceived value. You only need to look at something like wine tasting and hifi to see how the law of diminishing returns kicks in for ever-smaller differences.
Ask a wildlife photographer if, given all other functions being the same, if they would buy a 1Dx2 variant with 10fps instead of 16 fps costing £500 less. They will probably say no. £1,000 less? Maybe. But to a bird photographer the frame rate difference between 7D2 and 1Dx2 is often sufficient to get (or miss) the perfect wing position of a bird in flight or the precise moment a tackler hits a running back in full flight.
Canon has probably got chapter and verse on perceived value of every one of its functions, and if (for example) people are stalling on a 5DIV because of its price, Canon may bump up the functionality of the 6D if they have a specific idea of the 5DIV target market.
The 5DIV and the 7D2 use the same battery and both have the 150,000-pixel AF metering sensors yet the 5DIV hits focus far more assuredly than the 7D2. So a 45-point AF in the 6D2 that performs AF more like the 7D2 is automatically a lesser model. Compromise on a few more functions and there is your difference.
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Mikehit said:
True, which I guess makes the 5D series even more niche, i.e. you don't pay the extra over the 6D unless you're absolutely sure you need the extra functionality. This fits with the trend of all the camera makers to push the high-end further up market to counter falling demand, although I'm not sure whether the price of the 5D Mk4 seems steep because I'm in the UK and the value of GBP has dropped about 15% vs JPY over the last year (the same thing happened when the 5D Mk3 was announced -causation, or Murphy's Law?
). I just wonder how much more the market can take with successive iterations, as the low end seems to be catching up quicker than the high end is innovating.
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Talys said:
Only Sony has FF mirrorless camera's and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. The problem with mirrorless FF is yes the camera's can be smaller but the lenses have to be the same size. Which is my big issue with Sony, you have this small oddly sharped camera and then you put a big heavy lens on it and unless you have the battery grip attached its not balanced well and feels awkward.
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So the sensor for the 6D is obviously quite different performance wise from the 7D or 5D series (i.e. better for night/astrophotography etc). If a refresh is announced, would the same sensor be kept, or would they move the sensor to more be in line with the 5D/7D?
(Question being asked by a technical noob here)
(Question being asked by a technical noob here)
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motorhead9999 said:
Expect a totally new sensor in a 6D MK II. There will be two major differences.
1. Dual Pixel Design
2. On Chip A-D converter
The number of pixels will likely jump a small amount, nothing to get excited about. Low light performance will be about the same, based on other dual pixel sensors, there may be a insignificant loss in low light.
It should be basically a FF 80D with some small upgrades in technology that have come about since the 80D. 4K video is a possibility.
I am expecting a nice camera. If the DPAF in live view has improved enough, it could be used as a FF mirrorless under limited conditions.
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unfocused said:
The 80d, Ms and Rebels are aimed toward the general enthusiasts and JIT for the vacation season... The 6D2 are a tad more upscale but aimed at the same category of consumers, so it should be fair to say that Canon could very well aim for a Christmas launch. <
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-1 said:unfocused said:
The 80d, Ms and Rebels are aimed toward the general enthusiasts and JIT for the vacation season... The 6D2 are a tad more upscale but aimed at the same category of consumers, so it should be fair to say that Canon could very well aim for a Christmas launch. <
I hope not...
I am going away this Fall and would like the camera for the trip.
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In the mean time I am still waiting on the SL2 which was supposed to be announced in March, or so I thought. Or is this going to be a Christmas release?? Anyone hear anything? Did the Canon reps at NAB have anything to say?
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