Hint about what to expect from Canon's step into full frame mirrorless?
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ahsanford said:dak723 said:
Agree with everything you said.
Unless it's about spot metering at an off-center AF point. That's a legit beef we all need to complain about.
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My first SLR didn't even have an exposure meter (or autofocus either for that matter). Since then I have tended to see elaborate camera metering technology as a solution in search of a problem (evaluative metering is pretty cool though). I need a shutter speed and an fstop and as long as I am not blocking the shadows or blowing out the highlights, life is good. Shoot RAW and use Lightroom for local adjustments.
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fullstop said:Mikehit said:fullstop said:
yes, we know, reading comprehension and understanding context is not your forte. ;D
Just as comprehension of facts and a grasp of reality are not your forte. ;D
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BillB said:
Given the small margin of error in shooting color slides, it's a wonder that any of us produced a decent picture in a given month, much less the 36 gems that I sometimes got out of a roll of film.
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fullstop said:
No YOU want to. no one else really cares. Don't talk in the "we" because your views are held by .. no one else.
Also CIPA numbers aren't apples to apples, that has been explained to you multiple times but like a child, you cover your ears and scream loud enough not to hear or listen to anyone else around you.
fullstop said:
actually it won't be. it would be a difference of 44 shots using CIPA benchmarks. that's not significant. 235 versus 279. For all your whining you'd think you'd get a 1000 shots out of the LP-E17.
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fullstop said:
The point is, you're arguing bout something that is unlikely to be a difference maker to someone who genuinely wants an M50. Neither is anything to write home about, but both are probably fine for the camera and market that their respective cameras are targeted. I mean, obviously, it's not an impediment to sales, since the Canon APSC mirrorless series is a great seller.
Could the M50 get more than 279 shots with an LPE17? Who knows? Maybe it would be more, and maybe less. The thing is... not many people care. I don't
Also, just to reiterate - CIPA numbers are crap, especially in mirrorless. Period. Because, unlike DSLRs, how you use the camera, the ratio between time looking through the viewfinder or screen and the number of photos taken is critical, and may be wildly different from 230-something one way or the other. The real test is, "how many batteries do I need to carry with me to make sure I don't run out of juice?" I suspect, for most enthusiasts on the Eos M system, the answer would be 1-2 spares.
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Canon apologists will apologize anything. Even nerfed battery, one of the more crucial components in mirrorless cameras. And try to argue that it is 1. no nerfing and 2. even when, it does not matter. I find it extremely amusing.
I have not tested it myself, but fully expect Fujifilm X-T 100 - direct USD 599 competitor to EOS M50 - to typically yield more than 500 shots on a charge. In real life. It has a POWER pack, not a 2012 whimpy old battery. But of course, to Canapolgists it does not matter. They prefer to carry lots of spare ... batteries.
I have not tested it myself, but fully expect Fujifilm X-T 100 - direct USD 599 competitor to EOS M50 - to typically yield more than 500 shots on a charge. In real life. It has a POWER pack, not a 2012 whimpy old battery. But of course, to Canapolgists it does not matter. They prefer to carry lots of spare ... batteries.
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fullstop said:Canon apologists will apologize anything. Even nerfed battery, one of the more crucial components in mirrorless cameras. And try to argue that it is 1. no nerfing and 2. even when, it does not matter. I find it extremely amusing.
I have not tested it myself, but fully expect Fujifilm X-T 100 - direct USD 599 competitor to EOS M50 - to typically yield more than 500 shots on a charge. In real life. It has a POWER pack, not a 2012 whimpy old battery. But of course, to Canapolgists it does not matter. They prefer to carry lots of spare ... batteries.
On what basis do you 'expect' the X-T100 to "typically yield more than 500 shots on a charge"?
And would you go out on a day's shoot without a back up battery? It sounds like you would not and would rather trust in CIPA ratings to take you though the day.
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on basis of CIPA rating 473 shots for X-T100 I think it is safe to say that in many (most?) real life use scenarios one will get 500+ shots on a charge. Fujifilm puts a decent 1470 mAH power pack into all its X-cameras. And presumably also works to continuosly improve energy management.
With my EOS M (1st gen no onboard flash) i never leave home with less than 2 spare LP-E12, often 3.
If I knew, I'd likely get 500+ shots from a charge in my typical usage, i would still carry a spare - but normally only 1 then.
Will be interesting, how EOS M50 does in real life when using a lot of continuous AF with Face/Eye tracking.
With my EOS M (1st gen no onboard flash) i never leave home with less than 2 spare LP-E12, often 3.
If I knew, I'd likely get 500+ shots from a charge in my typical usage, i would still carry a spare - but normally only 1 then.
Will be interesting, how EOS M50 does in real life when using a lot of continuous AF with Face/Eye tracking.
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fullstop said:
Canon bashers will criticize anything. Even a relatively minor difference in battery life. If we were talking about the difference between needing to buy/carry a spare battery and not, that would be significant. But we're not.
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fullstop said:on basis of CIPA rating 473 shots for X-T100 I think it is safe to say that in many (most?) real life use scenarios one will get 500+ shots on a charge. Fujifilm puts a decent 1470 mAH power pack into all its X-cameras. And presumably also works to continuosly improve energy management.
With my EOS M (1st gen no onboard flash) i never leave home with less than 2 spare LP-E12, often 3.
If I knew, I'd likely get 500+ shots from a charge in my typical usage, i would still carry a spare - but normally only 1 then.
Will be interesting, how EOS M50 does in real life when using a lot of continuous AF with Face/Eye tracking.
Regardless of battery size, these days batteries are cheap on Amazon. You can get a wasabi kit with a dual charger and two aftermarket batteries for less than the cost of an OEM battery. In addition, these chargers are USB and don't need mains power. Before I upgraded to Sony bodies that used the much better FZ batteries, I had two always charging connected to a 15000mah USB power bank and shot all day long while charging in my shoulder bag. This was during faster paced weddings as well...
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nope. mAh are hard facts. CIPA test # of shots are facts. Having to carry zero, 1, 2 or 3 spare batteries for a day of shootin in the mountains or on a city trip or at a family re-union makes a dfifference. Not an insurmountable one, oh no. But a real difference, and one WE Canon customers would not have to shoulder if Canon would not nerf their products. And they would be less inclined to nerf their products if they would get similar flak from 50% of their customers, not only from a few.
And .. .whether or not you believe it or not is ... "irrelevant". To Canon. And to me.
EOD.
And .. .whether or not you believe it or not is ... "irrelevant". To Canon. And to me.
EOD.
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Canon doesn’t care about anonymous flak from people very openly not buying their products. Nor should they. As long as they offer a value proposition compelling enough to a sufficient market to make their numbers, they’re happy. If you want to get their attention, you need to convince people not to buy; complaining about the unlikely scenario in which the wicked witch of the marketing department contrived a design configuration that isn’t to your liking is a whole lot of nothingness to Canon.
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fullstop said:on basis of CIPA rating 473 shots for X-T100 I think it is safe to say that in many (most?) real life use scenarios one will get 500+ shots on a charge. Fujifilm puts a decent 1470 mAH power pack into all its X-cameras. And presumably also works to continuosly improve energy management.
With my EOS M (1st gen no onboard flash) i never leave home with less than 2 spare LP-E12, often 3.
If I knew, I'd likely get 500+ shots from a charge in my typical usage, i would still carry a spare - but normally only 1 then.
Will be interesting, how EOS M50 does in real life when using a lot of continuous AF with Face/Eye tracking.
Why not just get the number off the brochure, instead of making it up? It's approximately 430 frames in "Normal Mode when XF35mmF1.4 R is set" -- in quotes, because I have no idea what the caveat means.
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_t100/pdf/index/x_t100_catalogue_01.pdf
If you love Fuji cameras, you should support them, and buy one.
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