Is A Canon RF 300-600mm f/5.6L IS USM The New Big Zoom That’s Coming?

... But if true, weight and size o.k., I could sell the 100-500 and replace it with the 300-600...
I would only sell my 100-500 for a lens that can offer similar or better MFD and magnification.
It is such a great versatile lens for birding as well as for "macro" with insects.
In the field, I only change from the 100-500 when I want to do landscape with a WA lens.
 
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I suppose, you are right here. I am not sure how much Nikon earns at the actual price.


Better make your maths about that. Both in price and size/weight.
I'd guess, with 1/4 you'd be closer to 13k than you think.
I shoot in NHL rinks, I have the 100-500, that lens is a dog indoors.
With the state of sensors today, if it focus fast, I can live with 5.6.
I do not want to carry a 400 2.8 to the rink anymore, it just is no longer a "must have lens"

I have told my camera shop, if they drop a 200-500 5.6, I WANT it STAT!
 
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Lens Weight? Sorry folks, IMO, If this is your concern, get back to a gym. The 200-500 F4 would be amazing. ...
The Nikon 200-500 weights about 2,3 kg plus body. That's still okay IMO.
For more, I am out. That has nothing to do with a gym.
That's also about fast and steady panning for BIF or else.
An 500 or 600 mm f/4 zoom would weight at least 3 kg, if not even 4.
If you like to use that handheld, feel free to do so - not me.
 
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I have the 100-500 and have been underwhelmed by the results. I would like to replace my EF 600mm F4 VII with a lighter and more flexible lens. I would be willing to pay upwards of 5-6K if the quality is there. Would love something that is pretty effectively weather sealed as I would use it for wildlife and long lens photography in the desert, etc.
100%
I have the 100-500 out of necessity only, with nothing else in the range.
It is not a great performer at all.
a 200-500 5.6 at 2.5k
a 200-500 4 at 5 or 6k
would be huge winners in my book
 
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I have a Sigma EF 150-600 Sport that cost me about $2000. Why do I need a Canon 300-600 probably costing three times as much?
I also have a Sigma EF 150-600S. I love some of the images I have captured it. The way it renders an image is great. But fine detail? It's ok/good, I used it for years, but I do not think it is keeping up with modern lenses. Here is a post I did that included it while testing out the RF 200-800. Maybe not the best for the Sigma, but I would rank most of the other lenses above it. I move off of it as my primary bird lens as other lenses did better with fine detail. Of course, you may have a better copy.


As for a 300-600 f/5.6, I'll judge it for sure once I know more, but my first impression is that is a fairly limited focal length range for somewhat minor aperture gain. Compared to two existing lenses the RF 100-500L is only 2/3 stop difference, the RF 200-800 is 1 stop different at 600 mm. This is where it gets a bit funny, a 200-600 f/5.6 L is a lens I would definitely consider. A high quality 100-600 f/5.6 L I'd start throwing out superlatives, likely selling some gear and transferring money. But 300-600? Yeah, there will be a market, but I instantly think back to a trip to Alaska where I went from photographing bears at 600 (with the Sigma) to whales at ~200-300 mm. That flexibility is important (to me).
 
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I also have a Sigma EF 150-600S. I love some of the images I have captured it. The way it renders an image is great. But fine detail? It's ok/good, I used it for years, but I do not think it is keeping up with modern lenses. Here is a post I did that included it while testing out the RF 200-800. Maybe not the best for the Sigma, but I would rank most of the other lenses above it. I move off of it as my primary bird lens as other lenses did better with fine detail. Of course, you may have a better copy.


As for a 300-600 f/5.6, I'll judge it for sure once I know more, but my first impression is that is a fairly limited focal length range for somewhat minor aperture gain. Compared to two existing lenses the RF 100-500L is only 2/3 stop difference, the RF 200-800 is 1 stop different at 600 mm. This is where it gets a bit funny, a 200-600 f/5.6 L is a lens I would definitely consider. A high quality 100-600 f/5.6 L I'd start throwing out superlatives, likely selling some gear and transferring money. But 300-600? Yeah, there will be a market, but I instantly think back to a trip to Alaska where I went from photographing bears at 600 (with the Sigma) to whales at ~200-300 mm. That flexibility is important (to me).
Mostly I shoot motorsports. A 200-500 f/4 with a dedicated 1.4x TC, built-in or otherwise, for $5000 to $6000 would be perfection. If Canon introduced one, it would cost $12,000 or more.
 
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Mostly I shoot motorsports. A 200-500 f/4 with a dedicated 1.4x TC, built-in or otherwise, for $5000 to $6000 would be perfection. If Canon introduced one, it would cost $12,000 or more.
Sadly, I would be shocked to see it less than $12k. To be less than that, it is probably a non-L lens, which would also be a surprise. But, yep, a "L" 200-500 for $6k would be a preorder.
 
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My first "dream" lens was the 100-300 f2.8. Got it.
Next would be the 200-500 f4 and I'd move heaven and earth to get it even if it's $20k.
And I'll use those until retirement.
 
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My first "dream" lens was the 100-300 f2.8. Got it.
Next would be the 200-500 f4 and I'd move heaven and earth to get it even if it's $20k.
And I'll use those until retirement.
I love the 24-105/2.8 and 100-300/2.8. I’ll pass on the 200-500/4 and stick with the 600/4 II, though if an updated one with a built-in 1.4x comes along I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
 
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The problem with Trolls and self-claimed hybrid/landscape/wildlife shooters is that they don’t touch some grass. Very tired of seeing them around here/dpreview/youtube comments… time to go out shooting with the FD-EF-EFM-RF, which has all the focal lengths needed for all kinds of photographers. The recent releases of Nikon are either underwhelming(Z50ii) or 2+ years late(Z5ii). And for Sony they are lame(ZVE-10ii a1ii) or just follow the concept of Canon/3rd party lens manufacturers(28-70, 16/1.8, 400-800).
The problem with Canon Fanboy is that they give Canon the impression that they are doing all right! That is why Canon consumers despite years of rumours do not get lenses like the following 1) Sony 400-800 F6.3-8 (that does not split in two pieces when used) with internal zoom better balanced and less likely to collect dust like the RF 200-800 F6.3/9, 2) Sony 300 F2.8 at 3.24 pounds rather than the Canon 100-300 which at 5.7 pounds is as heavy as the old Canon 300 F2.8 mark ii, 3) A Nikon z 600 f4 with a integrated TC rather than the old EF 600 f4 mark III with an RF adapter glued on 4) A nikon z400 f2.8 with an integrated teleconverter rather than an old EF 400 F2.8 with an rf adapter glued on 5) A Nikon Z 180-600 f5.6-6.3 at a fraction of the price of the RF 100-500 F5.6/7.1 and the list goes on. I am not a troll. I have owned Canon gear only my whole lifetime. I have been through several flagships of the one series and top of the line mirrorless cameras. What I can say is that the R1 and R5 mark ii have amazing performance but have provided me headaches like no other Canon gear have provided me before. So what is the point of that performance when you can't count on it? Err 60 is an ongoing problem on both the R5 mark ii and the R1. I know it is not just my problem as it has been reported on other forum. My old R5 (which I have been using for 5 years now) is the only camera performance I can still rely on 100% of the time. The other two have unpredictable temper tantrums. Canon has no clue as to what is the cause of the problem. The error is showing up on 2 different r5 mark ii and on the R1 on an intermittent basis and despite the message stating "lens error will shut down automatically restart the camera" after months of back and forth we all know that it has nothing to do with the lenses being used. Pretty much everything has been examined memory cards, teleconverters, battery grip, zoom lenses, prime lenses, rf lenses ef lenses etc etc etc. It is still impossible to isolate the source of the problem but it becomes more and more apparent after months of guessing, the problem is a programming one and not a hardware one. I have been waiting 5 years for an R1 and an update to the R5, so yes I am tired of waiting but more importantly I can't accept that after five years of waiting Canon can't deliver the top quality and reliability they used to produce. This is not trolling, this is real life experience and frustration after a life time investment in Canon it is not an easy and light decision to switch brand. However It seems that Canon does not care about loosing customers who like to base buying decisions on value, quality, reliabily and performance as long as they continue to rely on a large base of fanboys who make them feel that they are doing ok despite real life experience of customers
 
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The problem with Canon Fanboy is that they give Canon the impression that they are doing all right!
About half of all cameras sold every year are made by Canon. Since clueless people sometimes need things spelled out for them in very simplistic terms, that means Canon is more than doing alright.

They’ve led the market for over two decades. They currently dominate the market. That means regular people out there buying cameras based on their personal wants and needs choose Canon far more often than other brands.

If Canon doesn’t meet your personal wants and needs, buy something else. Choice is good. Just don’t confuse your viewpoint with objective reality.
 
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About half of all cameras sold every year are made by Canon. Since clueless people sometimes need things spelled out for them in very simplistic terms, that means Canon is more than doing alright.

They’ve led the market for over two decades. They currently dominate the market. That means regular people out there buying cameras based on their personal wants and needs choose Canon far more often than other brands.

If Canon doesn’t meet your personal wants and needs, buy something else. Choice is good. Just don’t confuse your viewpoint with objective reality.
Yes they are doing alright and that is my point. They do not need to do anything better then get the low hanging fruits and there is no doubt they are the majority!
 
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Yes they are doing alright and that is my point.
No. You said it was ‘fanboys’ giving ‘Canon the impression that they are doing all right’. That’s typical trolling, go crawl back under your bridge. It’s the sales data confirming to Canon that they’re continuing to dominate the market.


They do not need to do anything better then get the low hanging fruits and there is no doubt they are the majority!
Sure, because they don’t have any top shelf offerings, right? Nikon’s and Sony’s excellent 24-105/2.8, Sony’s stellar tilt-shift lenses, those are just amazing lenses. Oh, wait…they’re not.

But Canon also has very good, reasonably affordable lenses like the 16/2.8, RF 100-400, 800/11 that are attractive to those entering the FF market and/or with more limited budgets.

Sorry, what was your point, again? Oh yes…you were trolling. Well, carry on.
 
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The problem with Canon Fanboy is that they give Canon the impression that they are doing all right! That is why Canon consumers despite years of rumours do not get lenses like the following 1) Sony 400-800 F6.3-8 (that does not split in two pieces when used) with internal zoom better balanced and less likely to collect dust like the RF 200-800 F6.3/9, 2) Sony 300 F2.8 at 3.24 pounds rather than the Canon 100-300 which at 5.7 pounds is as heavy as the old Canon 300 F2.8 mark ii, 3) A Nikon z 600 f4 with a integrated TC rather than the old EF 600 f4 mark III with an RF adapter glued on 4) A nikon z400 f2.8 with an integrated teleconverter rather than an old EF 400 F2.8 with an rf adapter glued on 5) A Nikon Z 180-600 f5.6-6.3 at a fraction of the price of the RF 100-500 F5.6/7.1 and the list goes on. I am not a troll. I have owned Canon gear only my whole lifetime. I have been through several flagships of the one series and top of the line mirrorless cameras. What I can say is that the R1 and R5 mark ii have amazing performance but have provided me headaches like no other Canon gear have provided me before. So what is the point of that performance when you can't count on it? Err 60 is an ongoing problem on both the R5 mark ii and the R1. I know it is not just my problem as it has been reported on other forum. My old R5 (which I have been using for 5 years now) is the only camera performance I can still rely on 100% of the time. The other two have unpredictable temper tantrums. Canon has no clue as to what is the cause of the problem. The error is showing up on 2 different r5 mark ii and on the R1 on an intermittent basis and despite the message stating "lens error will shut down automatically restart the camera" after months of back and forth we all know that it has nothing to do with the lenses being used. Pretty much everything has been examined memory cards, teleconverters, battery grip, zoom lenses, prime lenses, rf lenses ef lenses etc etc etc. It is still impossible to isolate the source of the problem but it becomes more and more apparent after months of guessing, the problem is a programming one and not a hardware one. I have been waiting 5 years for an R1 and an update to the R5, so yes I am tired of waiting but more importantly I can't accept that after five years of waiting Canon can't deliver the top quality and reliability they used to produce. This is not trolling, this is real life experience and frustration after a life time investment in Canon it is not an easy and light decision to switch brand. However It seems that Canon does not care about loosing customers who like to base buying decisions on value, quality, reliabily and performance as long as they continue to rely on a large base of fanboys who make them feel that they are doing ok despite real life experience of customers
this!
 
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The problem with Canon Fanboy is that they give Canon the impression that they are doing all right! That is why Canon consumers despite years of rumours do not get lenses like the following 1) Sony 400-800 F6.3-8 (that does not split in two pieces when used) with internal zoom better balanced and less likely to collect dust like the RF 200-800 F6.3/9, 2) Sony 300 F2.8 at 3.24 pounds rather than the Canon 100-300 which at 5.7 pounds is as heavy as the old Canon 300 F2.8 mark ii,
If weight is a concern, which it is for me and appears to be for you, the Sony 400-800 weighs 6lb (with the hood on) compared with 4.7lb for the Canon 200-800mm.
 
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As a bird photographer im very interested in this lens. 500mm is just too short for the type of photography I do. Some have suggested to just throw a 1.4 tele on my 100-500 and i'll have the focal length i need. Unfortunately I generally shoot in low light conditions and the extension on a f7.1 lens makes it very hard to get sharp photos. If the price is reasonable and the weight isnt too heavy I would by this lens in a heartbeat!
 
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The problem with Canon Fanboy is that they give Canon the impression that they are doing all right! That is why Canon consumers despite years of rumours do not get lenses like the following 1) Sony 400-800 F6.3-8 (that does not split in two pieces when used) with internal zoom better balanced and less likely to collect dust like the RF 200-800 F6.3/9, 2) Sony 300 F2.8 at 3.24 pounds rather than the Canon 100-300 which at 5.7 pounds is as heavy as the old Canon 300 F2.8 mark ii, 3) A Nikon z 600 f4 with a integrated TC rather than the old EF 600 f4 mark III with an RF adapter glued on 4) A nikon z400 f2.8 with an integrated teleconverter rather than an old EF 400 F2.8 with an rf adapter glued on 5) A Nikon Z 180-600 f5.6-6.3 at a fraction of the price of the RF 100-500 F5.6/7.1 and the list goes on. I am not a troll. I have owned Canon gear only my whole lifetime. I have been through several flagships of the one series and top of the line mirrorless cameras. What I can say is that the R1 and R5 mark ii have amazing performance but have provided me headaches like no other Canon gear have provided me before. So what is the point of that performance when you can't count on it? Err 60 is an ongoing problem on both the R5 mark ii and the R1. I know it is not just my problem as it has been reported on other forum. My old R5 (which I have been using for 5 years now) is the only camera performance I can still rely on 100% of the time. The other two have unpredictable temper tantrums. Canon has no clue as to what is the cause of the problem. The error is showing up on 2 different r5 mark ii and on the R1 on an intermittent basis and despite the message stating "lens error will shut down automatically restart the camera" after months of back and forth we all know that it has nothing to do with the lenses being used. Pretty much everything has been examined memory cards, teleconverters, battery grip, zoom lenses, prime lenses, rf lenses ef lenses etc etc etc. It is still impossible to isolate the source of the problem but it becomes more and more apparent after months of guessing, the problem is a programming one and not a hardware one. I have been waiting 5 years for an R1 and an update to the R5, so yes I am tired of waiting but more importantly I can't accept that after five years of waiting Canon can't deliver the top quality and reliability they used to produce. This is not trolling, this is real life experience and frustration after a life time investment in Canon it is not an easy and light decision to switch brand. However It seems that Canon does not care about loosing customers who like to base buying decisions on value, quality, reliabily and performance as long as they continue to rely on a large base of fanboys who make them feel that they are doing ok despite real life experience of customers
MAN, do you even space out your paragraphs. It sucks to read just like your opinions.

1. You just copy the narrative from those RF 200-800 incidents few days ago. Not every RF 200-800 broke right? And Sony make 400-800 "better" by being much more heavy and expensive.

2. The 300GM and 100-300L is a totally different tool. You are comparing apples to oranges. Just because they share the same 300mm focal length doesn't mean they are in the same segments.

3 & 4. EF400Liii & EF600Liii were released in 2018, RF rehash in 2021. Nikon's supertele primes took 8 years from F to Z. You are making the EF/RF ones not usable if you don't have the lightest&latest gear.

5. Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. Z180-600 belongs the same class with 200-600G, RF 200-800.
100-500L is an evolution of 100-400L, and much better than 100-400GM and Z100-400 equivalents. You are just cherry picking to support your arguments, which is opprobrious.

It's unfortunate to hear you have Err60 plagued your gear. I assume your local Canon failed to fix them. And if you can afford to switch systems, just do it. No one on CR is stopping you.
 
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