It’s here, Canon RF 100-300mm f/2.8L IS USM officially announced

Haha yeah right who is going to fork over $9500 bucks for this! they are taking the ****
No they're not. It's a very high quality, high performance piece of equipment and will sell in huge numbers to affluent hobbyists, sports and wildlife professionals, and lens rental companies. Just because you can't afford it (neither can I) doesn't mean it's poor value.
 
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No they're not. It's a very high quality, high performance piece of equipment and will sell in huge numbers to affluent hobbyists, sports and wildlife professionals, and lens rental companies. Just because you can't afford it (neither can I) doesn't mean it's poor value.
A very factual reply. Thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I have actually pre-ordered this lens. Not only is is great for low-light fast action photography. It is also a manageable superzoom with a 2x TC on the back. Once Canon releases a RF 500 mm f4 replacement I could see a 100-300 mm f2.8 and 500 mm f4 being a relatively compact two lens solution for wildlife photography.
 
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A very factual reply. Thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I have actually pre-ordered this lens. Not only is is great for low-light fast action photography. It is also a manageable superzoom with a 2x TC on the back. Once Canon releases a RF 500 mm f4 replacement I could see a 100-300 mm f2.8 and 500 mm f4 being a relatively compact two lens solution for wildlife photography.
I'm envious - I've had to settle on a RF100-500mm, 1.4x extender, and RF100mm macro to cover my wildlife photography. It's a very usable setup, on a more modest budget.
 
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The weight. 2.65kg, to which the lens hood will weigh about 150-200g. Add on a 2xTC for 200-600mm f/5.6 gives 3.2kg. For comparison, the sony 200-600mm f/6.3 comes in at 2.4kg, and in the UK costs only £1600. I personally could not manage 3.2kg so I am thankful for my RF 100-500, coming in at half its new brother's weight.
I certainly couldn't manage the weight for anything other than brief periods of handheld photography, but if I owned this lens, I'd be using it either in a hide or in a vehicle, with a beanbag. Others such as sports photographers, would probably use the lens on a sturdy monopod. I don't imagine many users would be carrying it around for long periods.

The RF100-500, which we both own, is a much better option for those who need greater portability and a lower price, although maximum aperture is more limited, making it harder to get that desirable isolation of subject from background.

The Sony 200-600 is a remarkable lens, fast-focusing, lightweight, affordable. It's used by many birders I know.
 
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I certainly couldn't manage the weight for anything other than brief periods of handheld photography, but if I owned this lens, I'd be using it either in a hide or in a vehicle, with a beanbag. Others such as sports photographers, would probably use the lens on a sturdy monopod. I don't imagine many users would be carrying it around for long periods.
For me, the 100-300/2.8 will be primarily for indoor events and night-lit outdoor sports/performances. But then, I hike and shoot handheld with the 600/4 II that weighs 3.9 kg so I don't foresee any issues with the lighter 2.7 kg of the 100-300/2.8.
 
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I certainly couldn't manage the weight for anything other than brief periods of handheld photography, but if I owned this lens, I'd be using it either in a hide or in a vehicle, with a beanbag. Others such as sports photographers, would probably use the lens on a sturdy monopod. I don't imagine many users would be carrying it around for long periods.

The RF100-500, which we both own, is a much better option for those who need greater portability and a lower price, although maximum aperture is more limited, making it harder to get that desirable isolation of subject from background.
Don't worry about maximum aperture. AI has already sorted that out for portraits on phones. You'll just have to say to your computer: Hey Topaz, selectively blur the background. You can basically do that already in PS and I guess very soon it will be done much better as they improve subject selection- see your post on AI.
 
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Don't worry about maximum aperture. AI has already sorted that out for portraits on phones. You'll just have to say to your computer: Hey Topaz, selectively blur the background. You can basically do that already in PS and I guess very soon it will be done much better as they improve subject selection- see your post on AI.
I agree that within 5 years or so that may well be the case. Examples I've seen up until now have been pretty unconvincing, applying an overall blur. But distance data transmitted from the lens, combined with AI, should allow for more realistic and progressive blurring of foreground and background. Whether it will compare favourably with the combined effects of depth-of-field and bokeh, to provide aesthetically pleasing blurring remains to be seen.

AI will deliver many ways to make photography easier - it's already extremely useful for subject detection, selective masking, denoising etc. But there are areas where it could be problematic, e.g. creating images of faked situations, or simply making photography of some subjects *too* easy, with resultant loss of a sense of achievement.

One relevant question for @neuroanatomist, and for @keithcooper, if you're reading this: Would you like AI tech to be able to correct converging verticals for you in-camera, or would you prefer to always use a tilt-shift lens for that function?
 
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I agree that within 5 years or so that may well be the case. Examples I've seen up until now have been pretty unconvincing, applying an overall blur. But distance data transmitted from the lens, combined with AI, should allow for more realistic and progressive blurring of foreground and background. Whether it will compare favourably with the combined effects of depth-of-field and bokeh, to provide aesthetically pleasing blurring remains to be seen.

AI will deliver many ways to make photography easier - it's already extremely useful for subject detection, selective masking, denoising etc. But there are areas where it could be problematic, e.g. creating images of faked situations, or simply making photography of some subjects *too* easy, with resultant loss of a sense of achievement.

One relevant question for @neuroanatomist, and for @keithcooper, if you're reading this: Would you like AI tech to be able to correct converging verticals for you in-camera, or would you prefer to always use a tilt-shift lens for that function?
Am I silly if I prefer using hand tools (planes,chisels, gouges) for woodworking, even if powertools could achieve the same or often better results in a fraction of time?
Am I silly if I derive from manual work much more satisfaction than from macine use? Fact, for me, is - I - did it, not the tool or, for photography, AI.
Yes, I use LR, Denoise and Sharpen. But I do select, manually, with more or less luck, aperture, shutter speed and ISO. And, what AlanF said about birds ("the chase"), also applies to landscapes, orchids etc...
 
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Im certainly not opposed to it.
It's something I imagine will find its way into cameras before long. AI will detect whether there is a building in the image, and offer the option to "correct" the perspective. I have to admit that in many cases I find that shots in which I've "corrected" converging verticals, actually look rather unnatural, as our brains expect verticals to converge when we look up. But of course, there are many situations, such as interior photography with ultra-wides, that "correction" is virtually essential.
 
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Am I silly if I prefer using hand tools (planes,chisels, gouges) for woodworking, even if powertools could achieve the same or often better results in a fraction of time?
Am I silly if I derive from manual work much more satisfaction than from macine use? Fact, for me, is - I - did it, not the tool or, for photography, AI.
Yes, I use LR, Denoise and Sharpen. But I do select, manually, with more or less luck, aperture, shutter speed and ISO. And, what AlanF said about birds ("the chase"), also applies to landscapes, orchids etc...
We think alike. Much of the appeal of photography for me is about making the choices myself, whether it be exposure settings, composition, appropriate lens choice, lighting, or of course how I want to portray the subject. There are many cases where a degree of automation is hugely valuable (e.g. AF and subject detection), but I would never e.g. "fake" a sky, or use a trip camera. To me, photography is about being there, recognising the potential of a subject, and using what skills I possess to produce a pleasing and truthful image.
 
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I agree that within 5 years or so that may well be the case. Examples I've seen up until now have been pretty unconvincing, applying an overall blur. But distance data transmitted from the lens, combined with AI, should allow for more realistic and progressive blurring of foreground and background. Whether it will compare favourably with the combined effects of depth-of-field and bokeh, to provide aesthetically pleasing blurring remains to be seen.

AI will deliver many ways to make photography easier - it's already extremely useful for subject detection, selective masking, denoising etc. But there are areas where it could be problematic, e.g. creating images of faked situations, or simply making photography of some subjects *too* easy, with resultant loss of a sense of achievement.

One relevant question for @neuroanatomist, and for @keithcooper, if you're reading this: Would you like AI tech to be able to correct converging verticals for you in-camera, or would you prefer to always use a tilt-shift lens for that function?
Tilt-shift lenses, huge lenses etc will be looked upon in future as we look upon the mechanical gear of yesteryear but will be continue to be used by those who get satisfaction from using classic gear and relish the heritage and personal input. Wide apertures are important today for narrow depth of field, lowering noise by collecting more light and giving better resolution but AI will be used for mimicking bokeh and background defocus, noise cancellation will improve by more non-classical means and AI, and the effects of diffraction can be negated by computation and is done in scientific applications (Richardson Lucy deconvolution - and Clark has used it for several years for photography https://clarkvision.com/articles/image-restoration1/) if not by AI. And, I think some of these could come in less than five years.
 
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Tilt-shift lenses, huge lenses etc will be looked upon in future as we look upon the mechanical gear of yesteryear but will be continue to be used by those who get satisfaction from using classic gear and relish the heritage and personal input. Wide apertures are important today for narrow depth of field, lowering noise by collecting more light and giving better resolution but AI will be used for mimicking bokeh and background defocus, noise cancellation will improve by more non-classical means and AI, and the effects of diffraction can be negated by computation and is done in scientific applications (the Richardson Lucy deconvolution - and Clark has used it for several years for photography https://clarkvision.com/articles/image-restoration1/) if not by AI. And, I think some of these could come in less than five years.
Interesting article. I wonder if the Richardson Lucy deconvolution is the basis of Topaz and DXO sharpening tools.
 
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Interesting article. I wonder if the Richardson Lucy deconvolution is the basis of Topaz and DXO sharpening tools.
Topaz does sharpening on jpgs without knowing the lens or aperture so it can't be using methods that compute diffraction or lens aberrations. I doubt if DxO uses them. It's possible that Canon's DLO does this as they know the lens characteristics, and this is discussed here https://photo.stackexchange.com/que...s-canon-digital-lens-optimizer-dlo-do-exactly
 
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I could afford this lens if I could justify it. But, as much as I'd love to, I really kind of can't. Yes, it's considerably faster than my RF 100-500. Yes, it is considerably longer reach than my RF 70-200 2.8. Yes, it is more versatile than my EF 300 2.8. But is costs almost as much as all three of those put together (3 good copies on the used market), is almost as long as the 300 2.8 plus the 70-200 2.8 end-to-end (!), and, overall, is about as subtle as a train wreck. (And, I don't need to compensate for a micro-phallus).

A zoom is for walking around, and unexpected shots. (If you know what you're going to shoot, you take a prime). For walking around, this lens would make an elephant jealous. I just don't see myself walking around with it. In the forest and beach it'll get abused/damaged, and, in the city, I'll probably get mugged for it. :confused: (Although it might serve as a decent self-defense weapon). The market for this lens is small and totally niche- (1) indoor fast action, and, (2) people with a crap ton of Bitcoin. In today's world, that probably means it'll be a screaming success. But... I'll wait for a good used copy, for sure.

However, make an "L" class RF 24-240 f4, Canon, and I'll pre-order 3 of 'em... But, until such time, I think I'll start walking around with:

1. RF 70-200 2.8 on an R7 crop body (effectively 112-320mm f/2.8) and,
2. RF 24-105 f/4 on an R5.

That's 24-320mm- with only the added $1500 purchase of a small R7 body and no lens changes.
Not too shabby!
No lens changes while walking around (except the occasional 14-35 onto the R5 and 600 f/8 onto the R7 (960mm!!!). And, all would fit easily in a medium sized over the shoulder carry bag.

Change my mind...
 
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I buy far less gear than you (typically a body every 2-3 years and a mid-range lens every 12-18 months) but Canon often sends me surveys too. The questions are mostly quite general ones e.g. "what is more important to me - increased resolution or better high ISO performance"; but there have been more specialist questions, and opportunities to make additional comments. Several of my suggestions have been implemented. Not as a direct result of my feedback of course, just an indication that a significant number of those surveyed have made similar suggestions.
Think we all get them. Companies like all the feedback they can get. That's why the greatest losers when it comes to the closure of dpreview is the camera industry. / PS: my - standing - request as a globetrotter is some kind of global warranty/CP scheme as cameras are a key travel kit item.
 
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I could afford this lens if I could justify it. But, as much as I'd love to, I really kind of can't. Yes, it's considerably faster than my RF 100-500. Yes, it is considerably longer reach than my RF 70-200 2.8. Yes, it is more versatile than my EF 300 2.8. But is costs almost as much as all three of those put together (3 good copies on the used market), is almost as long as the 300 2.8 plus the 70-200 2.8 end-to-end (!), and, overall, is about as subtle as a train wreck. (And, I don't need to compensate for a micro-phallus).
I somewhat regret selling my 300mm f/2.8 IS L II - on the original rumor that the RF version of that lens would be one of the first to arrive. Can hardly believe it has not happened yet - and now maybe never will. At least I got a good price.
 
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