New Canon Camera Bodies Appear for Certification - Updated

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This thread illustrates that some people will argue over the most ridiculous stuff. It’s a battery level indicator. Who cares?

i do. Only Canapologists would not.

So, this "Canapoligist" is only a meaningless label for people that don't agree with you?

no. "Can-apologist" is my shorthand term for a small number of forum colleagues here [less than a dozen] who immediately launch a full-blown "apology" for any shortcoming or even the most blatant lack of functionality in Canon products or Canon business practices and corporate behavior, e.g. marketing differentiation including "nerfing" - as soon as I "dare to" mention them, even only in passing.

To me it appears to be a condition caused by a combination of Pavlovs reflex ... "dog starts salivating when it hears the bell, even when there is no food around" ... and cognitive dissonance ... "buyers remorse" ... Canon is "da best, since I bought it!". ;D

But I have been asked to kindly refrain from using the term, since it may be perceived as "slightly derogatory" and I will honor the request. 8)

 

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... digital battery gauge.
And it does not matter that this is discussion about NEW CAMERAS.

NEW CAMERAS for which information at the moment is very limited ... to differences in battery packs and ... TADAA ! ... "4-stage vs. 6 stage" battery charge indicators. ;D

Bluetooth and WiFi seem to be in all of them. Other than that nothing is known atm.

And btw: to me the battery indicator is about as important as the fuel gauge in a car. It would work perfectly fine without one ... but only until things come to an abrupt stop. ;D ;D ;D

 

[Talys]

This thread illustrates that some people will argue over the most ridiculous stuff. It’s a battery level indicator. Who cares?

i do. Only Canapologists would not.

So, this "Canapoligist" is only a meaningless label for people that don't agree with you?

Essentially, everyone who doesn't believe in his vision to Make cAnon Great Again.

It begins with deporting all of the mirrors that are invading cameras and sending them back to the crime and drug-ridden third world countries and shitholes where they belong. Rounding up all the big mirrorslappers out there with a zero tolerance policy and putting them into safety cages for their own protection. And, evidently, making sure the world is one where everyone knows exactly how much power they have!

: :-X (all in jest, no offence intended)

 

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Lol, Talys! You got the gist with your jest. ;D


"Yes, Canon can"
"Read my lips: no more mirrorslapping"
"I did not have sexual relations with that Canon camera"
"We the people tell Canon what to do, it doesn’t tell us.”

... ooops, that were other POTUSes.
;D

 

[jolyonralph]

Essentially, everyone who doesn't believe in his vision to Make cAnon Great Again.

'We're going to put a full % battery meter in the camera and we're going to make Sony pay for it!'

 

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'We're going to put a full % battery meter in the camera and we're going to make Sony pay for it!'

;D ;D ;D Oh yes!

 

[Kit.]

This thread illustrates that some people will argue over the most ridiculous stuff. It’s a battery level indicator. Who cares?

i do. Only Canapologists would not.

So, this "Canapoligist" is only a meaningless label for people that don't agree with you?

no. "Can-apologist" is my shorthand term for a small number of forum colleagues here [less than a dozen] who immediately launch a full-blown "apology" for any shortcoming

That doesn't explain your belief that "only Canapologists" wouldn't care about replacing a multi-segment battery charge indicator with something more verbose.

 

[Maximilian]

Now let's try to get back on topic ("New Canon Camera Bodies"):

So

could
* KS436 possibly be "SL-3"? SL-2/EOS 200D successor? Canon knows there is demand for downsized camera bodies, both as primary or secondary/backup gear

I would love to see an SL-2/EOS 200D successor, especially if it was a "mirrorslapper" (I still prefer OVF over EVF), because I was very disappointed with the AF implementation on this. Otherwise I would have been in at once.
BUT
The Original life cycle of the SL1/100D was more than 4 years and even if Canon would switch to a more typical life cycle for such a consumer body there would be still about one year left as it was released just one year ago.
==> NO, unlikely
I suppose a T7i/800D or 80D successor as they are overdue compared to their typical life cycle

* KS437 possibly 7D iii - even if ahead of "expected" update cycle, Canon should do something to get ahead of Nikon D500? )

Could be a 7D3 but I'd more expect a 5Ds successor.

* MILC not FF, but "only" M5 II, same new 28MP crop sensor, EF-M mount, chunkier grip + body, LP-E6N battery, 4k 30p, less cropped than in M50 ?

Don't know what to expect here. No clue.
I wouldn't expect a M5 II with a LP-E6N.

btw. Thom Hogan has now also realized there is significant demand (not only me) for "small, yet fully functional" gear, even if it does not deliver "ultimate IQ" but only "good enough"
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/downsizers.html

And yet again here we (all consumers) might have different understanding of "fully functional" in terms of internal functions and mechanical ergonomics, e.g. when used with f/2.8 or f/4 zooms.
The demand for small, decent primes with compromises in max. aperture is not as big one might expect.

 

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That doesn't explain your belief that "only Canapologists" wouldn't care about replacing a multi-segment battery charge indicator with something more verbose.

that was the impression i got during the discussion. Same as the "18% less shot reach for no real reason discussion due to whimpy Battery in EOS M50" discussion.

My expectation would have been, that *everybody* would find more shot reach and a clear, more precise battery gauge preferable and would agree that Canon really should [have] deliver[ed] in these 2 areas.

But ... apparently not.

 

[Deleted member 378664]

Don't want to apologize Canon for the battery gauge implementation on some of their bodies.

but I could imagine the reason behind this could be similar to the reasons why car manufactureres are builduing engine temperature gauges showing a relatively constant 100 degree Celsius of coolant temperature once this temperature is reached. They did this because there were too many complaints about the coolant temperature showing fluctuating temperatures between 90 and 130 degree.
True values do puzzle People too much.

Back on Topic:
As an owner of a M5 MI I would be very interested in a M5 MarkII with the rumored specs especially if the bigger battery turns out to be true.

regards
Frank

 

[Ozarker]

Battery indicators: When the got dang thing flashes, change out the got dang battery. 10% or 5%, who gives a crap? Comparing it to the fuel gauge on a car? Stupid. Same thing: when it gets low... fill the got dang thing up! Skipping the gas station because you think you can get another 20 miles? Idiot.

 

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Battery indicators: When the got dang thing flashes, change out the got dang battery.

Yes, many dang cars also still come with totally inadequate dang fuel gauges - showing "full/nearly full" until the tank in reality is quite low already - then dropping rapidly towards zero. oh dang!

Same goes for most of the dang "4/6 stage battery indicators": when the dang last bar starts flashing on my Canon EOS M for example, there really is hardly any juice left. Often i find it "too late" then. So I am forced to change battery at the latest when the dang gauge drops to one bar. If situation requires "full battle readiness" i even swap batteries as soon as the dang gauge drops the first bar [goes from 3 to 2]. So yes, we can "work around any shortcomings in our tools". But why should we have to?

How much better and nicer would it be if 2018 products were in all aspects *at least* "as good as is easily possible in 2018"? Or even better!

What i really criticize is Canon's failure/unwillingness to do this and their quite evident withholding of some simple functionalities [when hardware, camera, batteries, firmware are fully capable already as in 5D3 for example] . I want my tool makers to make 2018 tools at least "as good as is easily possible" in 2018. In every single aspect, regard and dimension.

And really: 4- or 6-stage battery gauges may have been "what's easily possible" in the 1970s. But not in new 2018 cameras. :

ah yes: and to not confuse those users, who Canon might consider to be easily confused by a %-reading : and for all those who permanently or temporarily prefer to have a cleaner, less cluttered image in VF or on LCD - no problem, make it "off" by default, but user switchable in menu [then permanent until changed again]. A few lines of code. Nothing more.

 

[BillB]

That doesn't explain your belief that "only Canapologists" wouldn't care about replacing a multi-segment battery charge indicator with something more verbose.

that was the impression i got during the discussion. Same as the "18% less shot reach for no real reason discussion due to whimpy Battery in EOS M50" discussion.

My expectation would have been, that *everybody* would find more shot reach and a clear, more precise battery gauge preferable and would agree that Canon really should [have] deliver[ed] in these 2 areas.

But ... apparently not.

You are right that there aren't that many people who have been led to comment on your crusade to convince Canon to increase battery power on its lower level cameras and provide more information on how much power remains. your speculation about why Canon hasn't done what you want and how much it would cost them to do so is less persuasive to some of us than it is to you, and a few of us have chosen to post our opinions. Congratulations on once again finding a way to breath new life into a thread that seemed to be coming to its natural end.

 

[scyrene]

Re: New Canon Camera Bodies Appear for Certification

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Your replies are interesting and informative, but they fall on deaf ears. You're talking to someone who has no interest whatsoever in how things work, and the moment something is explained, they resort to insults and obfuscation.

In this case I wanted to leave some arguments in written form for others as some counterbalance to arguments and statements of others. This is the great thing about well documented conversations in forums ...
In a direct bilateral conversation I left the field much earlier

So thank you for your positive remark! That's what keeps me posting my 2 ct at canonrumors!

You're right, it can be helpful for others even if the person you were addressing ignores it. Thanks for persevering

 

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Still one of the all-time most ridiculous discussions I have encountered on Canon Rumors, and that says a lot since there is plenty of competition in that category. How is a percentage vs. bars going to change any normal person’s behavior?

You are shooting pictures, you see the bar drops to one or the readout drops to 25%, normal person exhibits exactly the same behavior- change battery.

Abnormal person looks at the bars and obsesses over whether they have 25% left or whether it’s 19%. Person who does that needs mental help not a new camera.

 

[Kit.]

That doesn't explain your belief that "only Canapologists" wouldn't care about replacing a multi-segment battery charge indicator with something more verbose.

that was the impression i got during the discussion.

How about cross-checking your impressions from your personal social communications with the actual facts you can see in the world without an urge to "win" some social communications game?

For example, there are lots of multi-segment battery charge indicators across the whole range of rechargeable batteries, from USB power banks to interchangeable batteries for hardware tools. And no one seems to care. Are all the users of such batteries "Canapologists"?

Same as the "18% less shot reach for no real reason discussion due to whimpy Battery in EOS M50" discussion.

My expectation would have been, that *everybody* would find more shot reach

First, your expectation "would have been" that *everybody* would care about some stuff related to EOS M50.

I don't care about M50. Does that make me a "Canapologist"?
I also don't care about A7III. Does that make me a "Sonapologist"?

What I care about is the things that affect me. The precision of a battery charge indicator in the camera currently doesn't affect me at all. What affects me is the accuracy of one. If an indicator shows half charge at home but starts blinking red immediately after I pop a built-in flash outside in the winter (or, worse, shows half charge on the diving boat on the sunny summer day but starts blinking when I am 30m deep under water), it's an accuracy problem, not a precision problem. It won't help if I would see that as "40%" immediately dropping to "4%" instead.

and a clear, more precise battery gauge preferable

A gauge is only "clean" when its precision matches its accuracy. When a gauge is unreasonably over-precise, it's not "clean", but "cluttered".

Some people, mostly amateurs, like such ornamentality of the gauge. Most professionals don't.

Yes, many dang cars also still come with totally inadequate dang fuel gauges - showing "full/nearly full" until the tank in reality is quite low already

And how would changing that "mostly full" to its more "precise" equivalent of "87%" help in that case.

ah yes: and to not confuse those users, who Canon might consider to be easily confused by a %-reading : and for all those who permanently or temporarily prefer to have a cleaner, less cluttered image in VF or on LCD - no problem, make it "off" by default, but user switchable in menu [then permanent until changed again]. A few lines of code. Nothing more.

Canon would still need to allocate indicator space for it. Space that could be used in a better way.

 

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Battery indicators: When the got dang thing flashes, change out the got dang battery. 10% or 5%, who gives a crap? Comparing it to the fuel gauge on a car? Stupid. Same thing: when it gets low... fill the got dang thing up! Skipping the gas station because you think you can get another 20 miles? Idiot.

You're in denial! You need a battery level indicator bar or numbers but got the placement wrong. It should be place on the battery pack itself. Duracell has the tech for you...

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2009/11/new-duracell-battery-with-power-meter/

 

[Mikehit]

[ Same as the "18% less shot reach for no real reason discussion due to whimpy Battery in EOS M50" discussion.

So now can get more reach buy buying a higher capacity battery instead of a longer lens.
Who'd a thunk it?

 

[sanj]

Battery indicators: When the got dang thing flashes, change out the got dang battery. 10% or 5%, who gives a crap? Comparing it to the fuel gauge on a car? Stupid. Same thing: when it gets low... fill the got dang thing up! Skipping the gas station because you think you can get another 20 miles? Idiot.

Hahahahah. NO. There are many a times when we run low on battery and while other battery is being charged and we need to know how far we can push it. Happens often while shooting video.

 

[Macoose]

Fullstop,

Why don't you just register the Battery Info from the Menu into the "My Menu" page?
I did that and it takes about 5 seconds to push the Menu button, select My Menu (the Star on the right) and select the Battery Info.
Easy.
You won't have to "dive into the menu" when you want to see the percentage.