Nikkei: Canon and Nikon to announce mirrorless pro models

[Richard CN]

It was mentioned in the Nikkei, the worlds largest financial newspaper that both Canon and Nikon are moving towards mirrorless “pro models”.</p>
<p>We guess they are talking about full frame models here.  While short on details, it’s another interesting data point about Canon and Nikon’s future plans.</p>
<p>From <a href="https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGKKZO28850970R30C18A3EA4000/">Nikkei</a>, machine translated;</p>
<blockquote><p>Adopt high-class sensors that Canon and Nikon has on digital single lens reflex as mirrorless cameras. I was reluctant to divert a high performance sensor because I felt the opportunity of demand from the strong brand power of the SLR and the profitability, but I could not overlook the spread of the mirrorless market. Sony also pushes the backs of both companies by pushing out mirrorless and enhancing its presence in the professional market.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah awkward to say the least.</p>
<p>Essentially a short blurb about the fact that Sony’s mirrorless cameras are seen on the rise, and Canon and Nikon need to accelerate plans for a full frame mirrorless camera.</p>
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[fishflavour]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

 

[BeenThere]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

Like you, I am waiting on further developments from Canon. In the mean time, my 5D3 still serves me well enough.

 

[Don Haines]

And the image shows a body that is way to thin to take an EF Mount, yet has an EF lens......Photoshop!

 

[kaihp]

It was mentioned in the Nikkei, the worlds largest financial newspaper that both Canon and Nikon are moving towards mirrorless “pro models”.
We guess they are talking about full frame models here. While short on details, it’s another interesting data point about Canon and Nikon’s future plans.
From <a href="https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGKKZO28850970R30C18A3EA4000/">Nikkei</a>, machine translated;

Y'know, that article was released on 2018/04/01, so I'd lower the [CR] rating a notch just from the date.

 

[BillB]

Canon and Nikon will put out fullframe mirrorless cameras sometime in the foreseeable future. We knew that, but let's see how many pages we can get out of this one.

 

[BillB]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

Well, what would you like to be able to do will a fullframe mirrorless that you wouldn't be able to do with a 5DIV that you can get right now. The fullframe mirrorless might be a 6D with an electronic viewfinder, or it might be a pro model that costs a lot more than a 5DIV, when it eventually hits the street. Of course, if you are ok with what you have now, you don't have to buy anything.

 

[3kramd5]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

This is how I always look at it:

Will you regret not having the gear now? In other words, is there something between now and an undefined date you really want to photograph on a new camera for whatever reason (better resolution, higher performing AF, etc)? If so, buy now.

If not and you really just want a new toy, will you be upset if a newer toy comes out later which you want be able to justify buying so soon after another purchase? No? Buy now. Yes? Wait.

 

[unfocused]

Canon and Nikon will put out fullframe mirrorless cameras sometime in the foreseeable future. We knew that, but let's see how many pages we can get out of this one.

I'm guessing 8-10.

We have to rehash all the arguments about lens mount. There will be people who think the generic picture attached to the post is real. There will be those who try to parse a machine-translated article through the lens of their own cultural and personal biases. There will be others who think "professional" means something more than simply having a full frame sensor. There is already someone asking buying advice from people who have absolutely no information about release timing.

And, of course, there will be many who insist that if Canon doesn't release exactly the camera they are dreaming of, then Canon is either stupid or doomed or both.

 

[docsmith]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

As a 5DIV owner, I didn't and wouldn't recommend waiting. It is a great camera.

As others have said, is there a specific feature that you would get with a FF mirrorless that you really need/want?

 

[neuroanatomist]

If Canon doesn’t announce a 1DX-M in the next three months, Sony will eat their lunch and Canon is doomed.

 

[Richard CN]

If Canon doesn’t announce a 1DX-M in the next three months, Sony will eat their lunch and Canon is doomed.

Clearly they are doomed already, it's just a matter of time

 

[neuroanatomist]

If Canon doesn’t announce a 1DX-M in the next three months, Sony will eat their lunch and Canon is doomed.

Clearly they are doomed already, it's just a matter of time

Everything is a matter of time...

 

[rsdofny]

I always have the impression that Canon is behind Sony in the MILC technology. So there is absolutely no reason why Canon will give up the only advantage that it has. A Pro body does not have to be small. In fact, a lot of pros prefer to have slightly larger bodies. So Canon will have the native EF mount on the "pro" MLICs.

The second question is how long will the EF lens library hold up if the camera companies are pushing the resolution of the camera sensor. The challenge for these camera companies is to capture, process, move and store a large amount of data, and to do it under reasonable cost and physical size constraints. Good news is that even Sony is running close to the limitation by compromising speed with resolution in the A9. Going back to the point that these are camera companies and not semiconductor companies. Will they have the resources to push the technology curve faster than the semiconductor companies? Sony is in better position because its sensors are used in smartphone. So it benefits from both the technology and cost sharing.

 

[ahsanford]

And the image shows a body that is way to thin to take an EF Mount, yet has an EF lens......Photoshop!

The photo doesn't even have a lens release button... because it's a Leica Q, dude.

Those are tea leaves you don't really need to read that closely.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Canon and Nikon will put out fullframe mirrorless cameras sometime in the foreseeable future. We knew that, but let's see how many pages we can get out of this one.

But in this case, it's no longer hearsay or rumor that CR has to carefully curate and time out to not rumor-fatigue us. It's real folks talking up FF mirrorless, which makes it news. CR will print that all day.

Expect a ton more of this as things accelerate towards release.

- A

 

[Talys]

And the image shows a body that is way to thin to take an EF Mount, yet has an EF lens......Photoshop!

You mean, the image shows a Leica Q, with an EF Mount

But in this case, it's no longer hearsay or rumor that CR has to carefully curate and time out to not rumor-fatigue us. It's real folks talking up FF mirrorless, which makes it news. CR will print that all day.

It wasn't really before, though. The Canon interviewee was pretty clear that they're working on a FF mirrorless. It's always been a question of "when" and whether the models first released will be in line with 6D, 5D or 1D.

 

[amorse]

ahhh, how long is this going to take? I'm really holding off on buying a 5d MkIV.

Any advice: is the 5d4 still a good buy in 2018 or wait to see what the mirrorless will be like?

As a 5DIV owner, I didn't and wouldn't recommend waiting. It is a great camera.

As others have said, is there a specific feature that you would get with a FF mirrorless that you really need/want?

I'll second this - as a 5D IV owner, I have a lot of praise for the camera. I don't think I've taken one photo that failed to hit the mark due to the camera and not me as the photographer. I wouldn't trade my 5D IV for any camera body on the market right now.

 

[efmshark]

What would be the point of a mirrorless with EF mount as a photo camera? It would have to be nearly the same size as a 5D or 6D, and it would be missing many of the features of a DSLR. If the primary focus of such a camera is video, the answer may be different, but Canon already has a dedicated professional product line for that.

If Canon chooses to go with a Sony-like mirrorless (with the EF-M mount), one would need an adapter to use EF lenses. There seems to be an unfounded hatred for adapters on this forum. In reality, an EF-M mount camera with EF adapter installed wouldn't be significantly different (at least from a form factor perspective) than a mirrorless camera with native EF mount. If you are interested in using EF lenses, just keep the adapter on all the time.

Canon full-frame mirrorless with EF-M mount could also have a 1.6x mode to use existing EF-M lenses.

Over time, Canon can develop a line of full-frame EF-M lenses for such a camera. Canon would also have to develop some type of new full-frame sensor that can manage extremely low angle of incidence near the edges and corners of the image that is a problem with symmetric (e.g. small) wide angle lenses on a short flange distance camera. Leica has finally come up with a decent solution for this, so it's not black magic, but there's probably further room for improvement by reducing the thickness of filter glass and changing the micro-lens structure.

One advantage of using an EF mount (or an EF-M mount with EF adapter) is that the full frame sensors developed for the DSLR line can be used as is.

 

[ahsanford]

What would be the point of a mirrorless with EF mount as a photo camera?

Welcome to the forum. This debate -- what mount on the FF mirrorless -- is now the #1 thing we talk about and disagree on. It used to be to protect/UV filter or not protect/UV filter and crop vs. FF equivalence, but now mirrorless mount fever is king of the hill. It dominates the proceedings here.

There are pros and cons to both thin mount or EF mirrorless. I post this (see below) as a really high-level refresher from time to time, but it really only scratches the surface.

But I'll state until I'm dead that anyone who claims 'mirrorless is all about being smaller' (not saying this is you) needs to climb out of their worldview and appreciate the needs of others. This is not a clear cut decision at all.

- A