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Nikon officially announced the Z 8, which is aimed squarely at the Canon EOS R5
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R5: 650g
Z8: 910g
uff.... again heavier.
But the specs looks really nice!
My most wanted feature of this camera: blackout free shooting!
Does it have a screen like the Canon ones?
Z8: 910g
uff.... again heavier.
But the specs looks really nice!
My most wanted feature of this camera: blackout free shooting!
Does it have a screen like the Canon ones?
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I know what features the R3 has that I value more than 45MP and none of them exist in the Z8. If the Z8 had the ability to customize AF zones, a third dial to allow for quickly setting shutter speed, aperture, and ISO, more than one back button for AF to allow for double back button focusing, and shot RAW at 30fps then I’d consider it the better camera *for my uses*.
I’m by no means knocking the Z8, on paper it seems to provide a more capable camera than the R5 in most ways. You couldn’t go wrong with either though, it’s kind of laughable how much people still care about brand at this point because Sony, Canon, and Nikon are all selling great mirrorless bodies.
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This is incredible news for the photo community and I wish people would stop belittling Nikon for this release.
Having a stacked BSI Sensor in this price range with high end Nikon performance is absolutely awesome for consumers as a whole.
This will put immense pressure on Canon to not increase pricing for an upcoming R5II as much as we saw with the R6II.
Nikon might just have started an avalanche of mid tier stacked Sensor bodies from Canon and Sony.
Having a stacked BSI Sensor in this price range with high end Nikon performance is absolutely awesome for consumers as a whole.
This will put immense pressure on Canon to not increase pricing for an upcoming R5II as much as we saw with the R6II.
Nikon might just have started an avalanche of mid tier stacked Sensor bodies from Canon and Sony.
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If you're having issues with the R5 and haven't updated the firmware for a year, I'd recommend that you do so. I had IBIS and lockup issues with mine for a long time, but since v1.7.0 it's been perfect (touch wood!).
Given the choice between an R3 and a Z8 (and assuming I could afford to switch, which I can't), I'd go for the Z8, purely because I wouldn't want to drop resolution from the 45MP of my R5.
I wouldn't like to guess whether the R5ii will have a BSI/stacked sensor or not. It'll probably come down to how much Canon would need to charge for it. For me, a worthwhile gain in DR at ISO 1600-3200 would be far far more valuable than merely getting a faster readout.
I'll follow developments regarding the R5ii, and I'm sure it will provide a number of worthwhile benefits, but it's far more likely, for economic reasons, that I'll just add another R5 body when the price drops upon announcement of the R5ii.
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Sadly, Nikon has fallen to a distant 3rd place in the global ILC sales in recent years, with barely over 11% of the global market and in Japan they've even fallen out of the top three as of last year. Unlikely that Canon (or Sony) will feel much if any pressure from what Nikon does, unless they are able to dramatically reverse the losses they've suffered.
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German price 4,599 € incl. VAT.
+100 compared to R5 MRSP (4,499€)
+600 compared to R5 street price at well known retailers (3,999€)
+952 compared to R5 lowest street price (3,647€)
Features more or less equal to R5
R5 a bargain?
+100 compared to R5 MRSP (4,499€)
+600 compared to R5 street price at well known retailers (3,999€)
+952 compared to R5 lowest street price (3,647€)
Features more or less equal to R5
R5 a bargain?
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I was super suspect of the rumors... but they did materialize. IMO, this solidly puts this body as the best deal/body in the industry. The Z9 isn't a match to the R5 AF-wise (let alone the R3), but it doesn't have to be the best in every category as long as it is still good. Its not as fast as the A1, but again it doesn't have to win everywhere if it costs $2500 less.
I'm still thinking the profit margin has to be thin on this one, so availability may be scant for a good while. But if they can meet some of the demand, I think this will cause the market to completely shift. I wonder if Canon changed direction when they heard what Nikon was doing and scrapped the R5 II, and decided to throw updates at the old camera until they sort out the sensor and pricing.
Also seems like it kills any thought of a A9 III. All and all, Nikon is taking up the disruptor mantle and running with it.
I'm still thinking the profit margin has to be thin on this one, so availability may be scant for a good while. But if they can meet some of the demand, I think this will cause the market to completely shift. I wonder if Canon changed direction when they heard what Nikon was doing and scrapped the R5 II, and decided to throw updates at the old camera until they sort out the sensor and pricing.
Also seems like it kills any thought of a A9 III. All and all, Nikon is taking up the disruptor mantle and running with it.
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Why? I don't get your argumentation.
Why not just buy an R5?
Err... what? Is your "sarc" mode on?
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The Z9 had no pressure on the R3. The Z8 will have no pressure on the R5II. I wish it weren't true, but it is.
Hopefully Nikon can actually deliver these. The Z9 launch was in very very short supply, with some pre-order folks being told they'd have to wait years. But that was different times. So hopefully better now, though Nikon has something of a reputation in this area.
A healthy Nikon is good for everyone in the long run. Be interesting to see what the landscape looks like later this year when we may know more about an R1, R5II and A1mkII.
Brian
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You will not get a significant gain in DR at 1600-3200 - the R5 is knocking on the door of the theoretical maximum for the photon flux there.
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Nope - Z8 AF jumps around and focuses on background, wrong players during sports shooting etc according to Jared's new video.
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The nice thing is that Nikon cameras work perfectly with EF glass, if you use a Sigma adapter. So having invested into EF glass is no longer an argument for staying with Canon. With the Z mount you can you EF glass, Nikon glass (of course) and also third party lenses for DLSR and mirrorless cameras.
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Jared video: AF is not great. Lots of jumping around, jumping to the background, jumping to other players in sports, etc.
(Canon R5 AF is better including for servo focus...)
Skip to the 13:00 mark here:
(Canon R5 AF is better including for servo focus...)
Skip to the 13:00 mark here:
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Indeed, no mention of one. I wonder then what the "cover" over the front of the EVF bulge is there for. Maybe a plastic cover to allow a better signal for GPS or whatever?
DPR has dimmed the lights but I think somehow they'll find a way to turn them back on.I thought DPR went dark?
Nikon Z8 review: a supercharged D850 successor
The Nikon Z8 is a $4000 Stacked-CMOS full-frame mirrorless camera that offers most of the capabilities of the range-topping Z9 but in a smaller, less expensive body.www.dpreview.com
Ahhh...just dim.
Imaging Resource's flame has sadly been extinguished.
I wonder who'll be next...?
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I think you're doing CR readers an injustice. Perhaps I've missed something, but I don't see "people belittling Nikon", we're not that childish here. All I see is folk taking a keen interest in what our other favourite brand is doing, and commenting about the specifications and performance - which is just what we do when discussing Canon...
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I find it interesting that you worded this in this manner, because the R6 II has a better AF system than the R5, as does the R8. Those are based on the updated subject detection system and algorithms from the R3, and are better overall than what the R5 does. Now, as an owner of the R5 and the R8, I can say the differences aren't huge, but they are there, and the R8 (and R6 II by extension) grabs subjects more readily and is stickier on the eyes and subject during tracking.
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Some people have preference and muscle memory of swapping lenses by turning the "wrong" way, just kidding..... sort of. I imagine the big benefit is if you are already heavily invested in Nikon glass and don't want to jump ship, both adapted FTZ and native Z mount but especially the latter . Replacing a stable of lenses especially relatively new Z mount stuff for a slightly cheaper body in rival system probably wouldn't appeal to many myself included. Even more so if they use this as a secondary backup body because they already have a Z9 or something.
Same said by folks who stuck with Canon in the years they were lesser value from the point of someone new looking to jump in to a new system or not already heavily invested in a brand. Obviously for those people the R5 is likely more appealing choice, for everyone else the investment, workflow and ergonomics may matter more than the paper specs.
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The R8 also seems to drive the STM lenses a lot better, it kept up with one of my kids sprinting towards the camera till their nose was inside the lens hood, using the RF50 STM. Till it hit MFD, every shot was in focus. The R5 doesn't drive that lens as authoritatively as the R8 does. Driving it that fast does make the STM motor sound like a sea lion, which is another bonus
With dual nano USM lenses the difference isn't noticeable to me, only the AF improvements you already mentioned.
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