Nikon Releases Z 800mm at 1/3 Cost of Canon’s

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#223
Hector1970 said:
That's quite interesting. I hadn't realised the 100-500 had that restriction until I watched Dustin Abbots review. I didn't think of keeping it close to the rear element of the lens and it makes sense it would be a good idea to restrict to 300mm min. It's certainly a tempting combination with the R5.
While this Nikon lens is not exactly cheap it certainly ups the stakes for Canon. A Z9 / 800mm combination is certainly better value than an R3 / 800mm even if its not a direct comparison. I think Canon have exploited shortages and limited opposition. This is where a strong Nikon helps Canon users. Canon have to be careful not to overplay their hand. A Nikon Z9 / 800mm or a Sony A1 / 200-600mm are attractive system shifts.
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I do like Nikon stirring up the market with the Z9, the 400 with switchable TC, the 800 6.3. . If a Wildlife photographer needs more her it is: Z100-400, PF 500.
I was worrying about Nikon when they started with the Noct on a path to quiet museums.

Now I have the RF 100-500 in my hand, still holding me back to replace the 1DX II with the R3 which I love beside of prizing and MPX.
The EF600 II and the 200-400 with switchable TC are still the work horses on the 1DX ii and the R5. The money for a 400 2.8 with switchable TC is rotting unused - or I have to change the system. And the 800PF would be a nice add on.
 
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#224
koenkooi said:
Ehm, it actually has a larger subject distance at 1:1
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The EF100L had a working distance of 67mm at 1:1, the RF100L seems to actually be 100mm at 1:1. So you get 50% more working distance at 1:1!

The EVF shows about 34mm horizontally when I put the tape measure in front, so it's slightly more that 1:1, since that would need to have 36mm.
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Measuring the EF100 IS vs RF100 IS using an old transparency frame to get the 35mm object:
- Working distance RF Macro: 107mm
- Working distance EF Macro: 130mm
 
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Photo Bunny said:
I get paid selling photos of foxes and birds. Enough to cover my gear, insurance, expenses, and trips. If I put more in, I would get more out. But I already earn enough money so I don’t push for making more.
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And what's your take on this? If Nikon consistently roll out lenses at 1/3 of the cost but 1/3 stop slower, would that tempt you to move? I suppose most pro's today have already spent the money? How often do you need to buy a new long lens? Do you just hire them and factor in that cost as part of the job? (Lots of movie making is done by cameras and lenses being hired, never owned by anyone but the renting house.)
 
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dilbert said:
And what's your take on this? If Nikon consistently roll out lenses at 1/3 of the cost but 1/3 stop slower, would that tempt you to move? I suppose most pro's today have already spent the money? How often do you need to buy a new long lens? Do you just hire them and factor in that cost as part of the job? (Lots of movie making is done by cameras and lenses being hired, never owned by anyone but the renting house.)
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I have already switched from Canon to Nikon as I had been using Canon for donkeys years and the Nikon Z6 looked more appealing than the Canon R. The 500 PF with the Z6 was a really amazing combination that I loved for wildlife more than any other camera and lens combo and that 500 PF is even better on the Z9. The 800 PF is now ordered and before it I would never had bought a 800 as they are too expensive and heavy. Usually I would buy a big lens as and when I need it and they replace a big lens with a big lens so the 500 PF is gone with the 800 PF taking its spot. Before that I used a Canon 300mm f/2.8 L from 1988 for something like 15-20 years and only used the bigger lenses via rental as and when I knew I would need them. I know a lot of wildlife pros that would own one big lens and rent the others per assignment as you always got the latest lens.
 
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dolina said:
If you visit Adorama & BH Photo the Z 800mm is the most popular mirrorless lens being bought on their respective sites.

RF400/2.8,RF600/4, RF800/5.6, RF1200/8 all are on page 10 or further.

It would be awesome if Nikon were able to ship the Z9 body with the Z 800mm on the same date together. :)
If I was buying one i'd do it that way.
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I ordered from my local store in the first 5-10 minutes of pre ordered opening and I am in the first 10 of... well he stopped counting after a while. I ordered in the first minute for the Z9 and got mine on Christmas Eve as the 18th order and I know they had at least a few hundred and there are a good 800 orders ahead of me for my second body. There has never been a time I can recall when there has been a legitimate queue like this for pro bodies and lenses. When I ordered a 1Dx I didn't pre order and just bought it then it came the next day.
 
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Photo Bunny said:
There has never been a time I can recall when there has been a legitimate queue like this for pro bodies and lenses. When I ordered a 1Dx I didn't pre order and just bought it then it came the next day.
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People who preordered the R3 from B&H in the first three hours on launch day got cameras from the first shipment. Those who preordered later than 9a ET / 6a PT on launch day waited weeks or months.
 
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Photo Bunny said:
I ordered from my local store in the first 5-10 minutes of pre ordered opening and I am in the first 10 of... well he stopped counting after a while. I ordered in the first minute for the Z9 and got mine on Christmas Eve as the 18th order and I know they had at least a few hundred and there are a good 800 orders ahead of me for my second body. There has never been a time I can recall when there has been a legitimate queue like this for pro bodies and lenses. When I ordered a 1Dx I didn't pre order and just bought it then it came the next day.
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Last 25 months have been very disruptive to people's routines.

Many were prevented from spending the money they would have.

Others did well in crypto, stocks and other equities.

This is an opportune time to transition from DSLR to mirrorless. the CIPA numbers shows that inflection point occurring last year. Probably the reason why Canon discontinued so many EF lenses 13 months ago.

On BH Photo only 12 EF DSLR SKUs are left in-stock

2020
2019
2017
2016
2015
2009
I find it odd that the pre-2017 DSLRs are still listed. I'd think it's been exhausted by now.
 
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Canon really needs to fill that gap between top-of-the-line optics (the big white lenses) and cheap lenses like the 800 f/11. Right now, Nikon is willing to compete in that area and Canon is not.
Love my 500 f/4 IS II, but it's not a walkabout lens like my Sigma 150-600 is.
 
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1. If Canon had one like this in the works, it would price nicely among the 800f11, the 400 2.8 with 2x tc and the 800 5.6

2. a lens like this in the pipeline would help explain the high price for the big 800, though I believe that inflation and price hikes on the other big whites are more likely scenarios.
 
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AlanF said:
What's more contagious: GAS or Covid? I suppose there's no vaccine for one of them.
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What strain of Covid do you mean? We were able to produce vaccines in "emergency" mode in really short time for the first Covid strains. It decreased the ## of deaths even for strains that were out of the spectrum... I mean it still works somehow even for new strains (yes - with low efficiency!).
Now we know that we have to live with the Covid as we are with the flu... Not the perspective that we would like but it's what viruses do!
For the GAS? Well I'm not resistant, are you?! And it could be because nobody ever made a vaccine against GAS :D! Oops - no way to make such a vaccine - it's programed in the human brain - we want always the best (and sometimes we don't actually know what exactly is the best?)
 
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