Photography setup for skincare clinic, advice needed.

Jan 22, 2012
4,774
1,569
A dear doctor friend wants to set up photography equipment to shoot before/after faces and close up of skin. She wants to invest the least amount. I am thinking:

Crop Camera: It will all be medium to small size on her website so FF may not be needed. And there will not be any need to shoot above ISO 200. True/False? Which model?
100mm 2.8 macro. Single lens for both portraits and close ups. Yes/No? Most shots will be at f5.6 I think.

Need advice on cost effective:
Tripod,
Head.
Lights. Speedlight bouncing on umbrella? Lest expensive soft light is required.
Flash trigger. Anything cheaper than Canon?

Thanking you in advance.
 
Dear Sanj,

If cost is important I'd consider:

1) 40mm pancake instead of 100mm macro. Do you need 1:1, the pancake reaches 1:4 (I think) and is tag sharp and much cheaper than the 100mm macro. Also, if you need flattering portraits 40mm will likely be too wide, even on crop.

2) I use Cactus triggers for my speedlites. They connect to the hotshoe of the wireless flash and work perfectly and cost only about 40 euros each. They do eat batteries quite fast, but I use rechargeable AAA Eneloops.

3) Just use (cheap) chinese umbrella's from Ebay with a flash bracket holder that also holds an umbrealla. This can than be mounted on a (cheap) tripod.

4) Consider Yongnuo's instead of original Canon speedlites. They likely will overheat faster, but are also much cheaper so it can be an option if the number of flashes per hour is not too big. My 600EX's reach about 50 to 100 per hour at 1/2 to 1/1 power without giving the orange warning LCD.

Niels
 
Upvote 0
Don't overengineer.

Most clinics which took pictures of me used Canons in the XXXD range with kit lenses and the 430 Flash.
For a friend which treated burn wounds I made about 200 Pictures of different patients. The narrow Office and the requirement to produce Pictures covering only mere centimeters but sometimes also a complete leg or torso made me choose a quiet uncommon lens:

Sigma 24mm 1.4 (ye olde model, non art)

That lens is strange enough equipped with a Macro Setting. of course doing Macro with 24 mm requires a very small distance to the target.
 
Upvote 0
Some thoughts:

160mm (FFeq FL) is a bit long for head shots - it means a distance of ~12 ft / 3.7 m for a typical framing. Most clinics don't have large rooms. 60mm macro would be better.

For web images, she won't need anywhere close to 1:1 magnification, especially with the current 24 MP of many crop bodies. Even the kit lens at 55mm would likely be enough, should try that first.

Office setting, flash lighting means even a cheap tripod/head will work. Aluminum, get one with a center column as that will facilitate height adjustment.
 
Upvote 0
I'm speaking from ignorance here, but I'd think lighting would be the most important part. Many skin conditions present as discolorations, and I would think that having very consistent, natural (daylight) lighting is essential to honest before/after shots, whether it's for marketing or research. This is a case where the fidelity of the image needs to equal or exceed that of photojournalism.
 
Upvote 0
I agree that would be more appropriate a lens between 40mm and 60mm. For easy preview, I recommend light with a panel of LED lamps, which predicts where are the brightness and shades of the skin.
yongnuo-yn600-yn-600-yn-600-led-video-ligh-camera-adaptor-plug-famcart-1508-06-famcart@13.jpg
 
Upvote 0
Make it easy so it actually gets used on a regular basis!

For skin closeups:
Canon 6D body
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS
Canon MR-14EX II Macro Ring Lite w/ 67mm adapter

No tripod or any other lighting needed with combination of ring lite and IS. Complex lighting is going to be a royal pain for the practitioner to use. Above combo should give stunning results.

If you are just doing faces you don't need macro, better off with 6D + EF 135mm f/2L and a couple of softboxes w/strobe.
 
Upvote 0
Ruined said:
Make it easy so it actually gets used on a regular basis!

For skin closeups:
Canon 6D body
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS
Canon MR-14EX II Macro Ring Lite w/ 67mm adapter

No tripod or any other lighting needed with combination of ring lite and IS. Complex lighting is going to be a royal pain for the practitioner to use. Above combo should give stunning results.

If you are just doing faces you don't need macro, better off with 6D + EF 135mm f/2L and a couple of softboxes w/strobe.

Except the OP indicated a need for both headshots and skin close ups, and as small a budget as feasible. A FF body, two L lenses and two lighting setups is neither easy nor cheap.
 
Upvote 0
I don't see any reason for a DSLR for this, though the deals on some of the T series are very good at the moment, my G10 can do very close closups and headshots with ease, it also has a hotshoe for flash if you go that route.
 
Upvote 0
privatebydesign said:
I don't see any reason for a DSLR for this, though the deals on some of the T series are very good at the moment, my G10 can do very close closups and headshots with ease, it also has a hotshoe for flash if you go that route.

Exactly my thinking. My skin doctor uses a cheap point and shoot, it does just fine. A DSLR is gross overkill. There is no requirement for high ISO or for high MP.

One of the G10 - G16 series would work well, and is also probably on the high end of things.
 
Upvote 0
privatebydesign said:
I don't see any reason for a DSLR for this, though the deals on some of the T series are very good at the moment, my G10 can do very close closups and headshots with ease, it also has a hotshoe for flash if you go that route.

Perhaps. My kids' pediatric dentist uses a PowerShot G-series, my dentist uses a 60D, EF-S 60mm and MR-14EX.

As stated above, the key is lighting since most likely some the before/after shots will be advertising for the physician. A PowerShot G triggering a couple of flashes in shoot-through umbrellas could work. Not sure a current G is much cheaper than a current xxxD kit.
 
Upvote 0
I think a xxxD would be preferable. A Gxx used with the build in flash will give you only light straight on your model, which will flatten out every detail.

Lens: as already proposed, use about 50 to 60mm , as 100mm on crop will be very much. 60mm macro seems a very good choice to me.

I presume you also want to see detail of skin. So, then light from side or even floodlight might be needed. So flash on the camera is not the best solution then. If doctor has no experience with photography, I would strongly advice a flash with TTL possibility. So for that reason, and being cheap, I propose the Yongnuo EX600-RT flash in combination with their trigger YN-E3-RT. Flash has build in receiver, so no supplemental batteries are needed. Trigger runs on 2 AA batteries. A cactus trigger can't be used as this is a manual only trigger. Macro flash is perfect for detail, but will be harder to use for portrait.

Place flash on a flash bracket holder on top of a tripod. Might be Chinese quality.

If a softer light is needed for portrait, bounce the light to the ceiling or the wall. As long as one of those is "white", the portrait will be usable
 
Upvote 0
sanj said:
A dear doctor friend wants to set up photography equipment to shoot before/after faces and close up of skin. She wants to invest the least amount. I am thinking:

Crop Camera: It will all be medium to small size on her website so FF may not be needed. And there will not be any need to shoot above ISO 200. True/False? Which model?
100mm 2.8 macro. Single lens for both portraits and close ups. Yes/No? Most shots will be at f5.6 I think.

Need advice on cost effective:
Tripod,
Head.
Lights. Speedlight bouncing on umbrella? Lest expensive soft light is required.
Flash trigger. Anything cheaper than Canon?

Thanking you in advance.

For the after pictures...make sure to learn frequency separation retouching techniques in Photoshop, to make them look extra good!!<P>
;)

cayenne
 
Upvote 0
neuroanatomist said:
privatebydesign said:
I don't see any reason for a DSLR for this, though the deals on some of the T series are very good at the moment, my G10 can do very close closups and headshots with ease, it also has a hotshoe for flash if you go that route.

Perhaps. My kids' pediatric dentist uses a PowerShot G-series, my dentist uses a 60D, EF-S 60mm and MR-14EX.

As stated above, the key is lighting since most likely some the before/after shots will be advertising for the physician. A PowerShot G triggering a couple of flashes in shoot-through umbrellas could work. Not sure a current G is much cheaper than a current xxxD kit.

A DSLR for dentistry is a good idea due to the dark interior of a persons mouth, however, most use a ring flash and macro lens, it may just be marketing. or the fact that the ring flashes mount to dslr lenses nicely.

A G series is probably overkill, but a used one might be less expensive.

If its necessary to have a high studio quality portrait, then lighting should definitely be addressed.
 
Upvote 0
neuroanatomist said:
Ruined said:
Make it easy so it actually gets used on a regular basis!

For skin closeups:
Canon 6D body
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS
Canon MR-14EX II Macro Ring Lite w/ 67mm adapter

No tripod or any other lighting needed with combination of ring lite and IS. Complex lighting is going to be a royal pain for the practitioner to use. Above combo should give stunning results.

If you are just doing faces you don't need macro, better off with 6D + EF 135mm f/2L and a couple of softboxes w/strobe.

Except the OP indicated a need for both headshots and skin close ups, and as small a budget as feasible. A FF body, two L lenses and two lighting setups is neither easy nor cheap.

As photographers with a passion we will build his Dr friend an entire studio.

In reality the Dr friend may do just fine with the $199 T5 refurb kit that Canon has on sale now.
Gear will not do any good if the Dr friends photography skill level is limited to selecting the mountain, running man or face on the dial and then downloading the jpg.
 
Upvote 0
sanj said:
A dear doctor friend wants to set up photography equipment to shoot before/after faces and close up of skin. She wants to invest the least amount. I am thinking:

Crop Camera: It will all be medium to small size on her website so FF may not be needed. And there will not be any need to shoot above ISO 200. True/False? Which model?
100mm 2.8 macro. Single lens for both portraits and close ups. Yes/No? Most shots will be at f5.6 I think.

Need advice on cost effective:
Tripod,
Head.
Lights. Speedlight bouncing on umbrella? Lest expensive soft light is required.
Flash trigger. Anything cheaper than Canon?

Thanking you in advance.

Cheap tripods and heads are to be had everywhere.
Canon, TDP listed a T5i at canon refurb for $199. That is US though.
Instead of off camera how about Gary Fong Lightsphere $59 with a 430 EX II $199 at B&H.
Your done under $500 unless you need close up.
Your Dr friend will have to play with the lightsphere and where it bounces to tone down the light so you can get all the skin color.
 
Upvote 0
I'm working full time in a large dermatological practice as a Clinical Research Coordinator. I take such pictures almost every day. I need to take pictures of acne, rosacea, psoriasis, skin cancer, Botox etc. patients. It can be just a small lesion or the entire face. The equipment varies from a very simple P&S to a Canon 1D III with EF 100mm macro lens. It depends which equipment is provided or requested by the pharmaceutical companies, which pay for the clinical trials.

The best results are achived when a fixed distance between the lens and the skin surface is guaranteed. The third party provider QuantifiCare has an image management solution, DermaPix®, which works with a Nikon APSC DSLR + kit lens on which two laser pointer are attached. It is a proprietary system. These weak laser pointers meet in a single point, which is projected on the patients face and which guarantees a fixed difference between the face and the lens. They work as a remote release two. Pictures are taken with flash and f11. The results are really good for this purose. We take whole face photos with it. But it requires a lot of training of the staff....

The French company Galderma offered the most sophisticated equipment so far. A Canon 1D III + macro lens was fixed in a mobile working station (with attached flat screen and pc). The patient has to put its whole head into a large soft box with 2 flashes. There are fixed points for the chin and forehead, so that the face is always in the right position. The results were outstanding but it took about 1 squaremeter of space and was used only for whole face photos.

IMHO a better P&S is more than enough for the job. For documentary, non-research purposes, we use only P&S cameras which every nurse can use without hours of training. The easier, the better. The results are seen only on a computer or laptop screen, so 10 million pixel are more than enough. Only out of cam JPEGs are saved in the original resolution in the digital file of the patient. This means pictures are transfered from the SD card and saved. That's it. All kind of skin conditions are documented like this, from open wounds to Botox treatments. This is done several times daily by the nurses on request of the physicians.

If the results should be much better than a P&S, get a crop DSLR + kit lens + short macro lens (EF-S 60mm as an example). Get 3 cheap tripods (1 for the cam, 2 for the flashes), a cheap ring flash, a large foldable background in blue or black, a wireless trigger, 2 receivers for 2 flashes (EX 430 or similar) attached to medium sized softboxes. It will take several squaremeters of space. For whole face shots they use the cam on the tripod + wireless triggers and softboxes. For macro shots the macro lens + ring flash. Train the staff well in its use. Write down everything - even how to turn on the camera.

Plan at least about 30-60 min of training for every single person who needs to operate such a complicated system involving a DSLR. For a P&S 15 min should do. It starts with "How to turn it on and how to hold correctly the camera?". Do a one-to-one training, not group trainings. Let them shoot for at least 15 min with the cam when they need to handhold the camera, e.g. macro shots. I do such trainings regularly, so I know what I'm talking about. It is complicated for a normal person. Even to operate a P&S in macro mode is complicated. I see it again and again with our nurses. For every new camera they get a new training from me. 7 nurses and 18 clinical trials at the moment mean a lot of trainings...

Best regards,
Robert
 
Upvote 0