RF 100-500 f/4.5-7.1L IS USM equivalent with internal zoom coming?

A 200-500mm f/2.8-4 zoom with internal 1.4x makes more sense to me as the RF100-500mm and RF200-800mm are both excellent zooms and a 3rd moderately slow aperture zoom seems a bit pointless whereas a professional grade zoom is missing from the RF line up and would be great for sports and wildlife
 
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As a big fan of the "Z" series of zoom lenses (e.g. the 24-105 f/2.8), I am really hoping for a super-tele model that would work with the power zoom adapter. Personally, what I would want in that range is something that started around 200mm and went to at least 600mm (but ideally longer).

In addition to those in the recently-published patent, there was also a RF 300-800mm F8L IS USM in a patent from earlier this year which might be a candidate for such a potential product.

A lens that that could be a more portable and affordable version of (at least the longer end of the focal length) of the CINE-SERVO 50-1000mm could be very popular with documentary (especially nature documentary) filmmakers. (And, as long as it came in under $5,000 US, would certainly make it into my bag.)
 
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If this is Canon’s plan - to correct any perceived flaws in first generation RF lenses - then I’m all about it - so long as they keep the first gen lenses at a reduced price. The 100-500 is just a terrific lens aside from two “flaws” that have been well documented, teleconverter compatibility and weather sealing. I have, however, spoken to more than one photographer that refused to buy the lens because it was 7.1, so any improvement to this area would certainly be welcome by all…but we know that comes with additional cost, weight, and size. Balancing that is delicate dance. But if the lens is the size reflected in these patents, It’s going to be a big boy. The 100-500 is so nice and compact…hard to beat that lens for that reason!

What’s been going on with the potentially new teleconverters? I agree that I would rather see the 100-500 come down and price and then Canon introduce new teleconverters that may work with a less protruding front element or has a lever to adjust magnification.
I've never heard of any problem with weather sealing with the 100-500L. If you're thinking of an extendable lens vs a fixed internal lens, it's been documented by others (lensrentals etc) that it's not a problem. As for personal experience, back when the R5 came out I got the 70-200 f2.8L on a tripod to take photo quality videos of hummingbirds (a poor mans motion trap since Canon is too dense to offer motion trap firmware), and once I forgot it and left it in a downpour for ten or so minutes - but there was absolutely no problem with it. All my subsequent use with it (or other extending RF lenses) has had absolutely no issues, and I've come to love the shorter/lighter size and wouldn't want a fixed internal zoom version if it was longer & heavier. As far as TC's go, I don't want to use them due to loss of IQ and the availability of cropping and good up-rezing software available, but for those that use TCs then I could see that being an issue. And keep in mind that pushing optical quality/size/weight to the max limits is why that RF designed lens has the back optics so close to the sensor that the old-style TCs had no room to be inserted - a brilliant tradeoff for me.
 
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I'm just referring to it being an extending zoom which absolutely impacts sealing for water and dust. I've personally had no issues.
As stated above, that misconception has been debunked by Roger Cicala, and given that he's disassembled more lenses than most of us will even touch in our lives, I trust his judgement on the matter.
 
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As a big fan of the "Z" series of zoom lenses (e.g. the 24-105 f/2.8), I am really hoping for a super-tele model that would work with the power zoom adapter. Personally, what I would want in that range is something that started around 200mm and went to at least 600mm (but ideally longer).

In addition to those in the recently-published patent, there was also a RF 300-800mm F8L IS USM in a patent from earlier this year which might be a candidate for such a potential product.

A lens that that could be a more portable and affordable version of (at least the longer end of the focal length) of the CINE-SERVO 50-1000mm could be very popular with documentary (especially nature documentary) filmmakers. (And, as long as it came in under $5,000 US, would certainly make it into my bag.)
Awfully similar to the RF 200-800mm f/6.3-9 though, perhaps a 300-800mm f/4-5.6 instead but that'll be very expensive of course
 
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As stated above, that misconception has been debunked by Roger Cicala, and given that he's disassembled more lenses than most of us will even touch in our lives, I trust his judgement on the matter.
Roger is the man, but I certainly don't enjoy using any extending lens with a rain cover or in inclement weather at all. I guess I'm the only one who thinks the design is a liability? Something feels wrong about having water on the lens barrel and then zooming back in to me that I just wont do it, no matter what.
 
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As stated above, that misconception has been debunked by Roger Cicala, and given that he's disassembled more lenses than most of us will even touch in our lives, I trust his judgement on the matter.
Weather sealing is fine on external zooms but sand and salt can be problematic as I found on the EF 100-400 ii I used to have, however using a raincover like the Lenscoat one I use protects them just fine at beaches and estuaries
 
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Roger is the man, but I certainly don't enjoy using any extending lens with a rain cover or in inclement weather at all. I guess I'm the only one who thinks the design is a liability? Something feels wrong about having water on the lens barrel and then zooming back in to me that I just wont do it, no matter what.
You are not the only one, just one of many who think that their opinion outweighs evidence and direct observation.
 
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Roger is the man, but I certainly don't enjoy using any extending lens with a rain cover or in inclement weather at all. I guess I'm the only one who thinks the design is a liability? Something feels wrong about having water on the lens barrel and then zooming back in to me that I just wont do it, no matter what.
You're not the only one - there are many who share your view and for reasons that seem obvious to them. Roger's testing surprised me, but made me much happier with my moving design lenses to see careful testing proof on the subject. But when it is raining, I tend to not take photos. In the times I really want a unique (to me) photo in a drizzle or rain I will go ahead and take it quickly and carefully and I no longer worry about a telescoping or fixed design. Just as I wouldn't want to take photos on the beach with the wind blowing sand into the air - I just wouldn't do that with any design of lens.

By the way, I used to use clear filters of high quality to protect the front surface of all my lenses. But now I'm not willing to lose IQ from them and don't use front protective filters any more. I'm just careful with them and haven't had any problems with the front elements on any of my lenses.
 
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Roger is the man, but I certainly don't enjoy using any extending lens with a rain cover or in inclement weather at all. I guess I'm the only one who thinks the design is a liability? Something feels wrong about having water on the lens barrel and then zooming back in to me that I just wont do it, no matter what.
It’s a personal choice. I’ve spent plenty of time using extending L-series zooms in the rain with no issues. The foam sealing ‘squeegees’ the water off the barrel as it is retracted.

When I get home from the rain, I do wipe everything down and store the lenses with the barrels extended for a day or so (where I usually keep my lenses, in a Storm case with desiccant).
 
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You are not the only one, just one of many who think that their opinion outweighs evidence and direct observation.
Just have to think about seals on hydraulic rams which easily stop low viscosity oil at a pressure differential of 3000 psi from leaking from a sliding cylindrical mechanism or motorcycle front forks which do this at a lower pressure but at high speeds
An external zoom lens is at atmospherical pressure inside and out and water is easier to contain than mineral oil
 
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That’s a common misconception that was debunked by ‘Uncle Rog’ (founder of LensRentals).
That is good to know; I'll check out 'Uncle Rog'. I've not had any problem with dust in mine. As far as f7.1, I mainly shoot birds, usually at distances of less than 4 or 5 meters, so I need some depth of field to get the whole bird in sharp focus and am perfectly happy with f7.1. If the light is low, I'll use ISO 800 or even 1600 and if sharpening in post is needed due to cropping, I use Topaz Photo AI to clean up any grain and get a crisp result.
 
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Valid points raised by @Del Paso. But not enough for me personally to upgrade to the 100-500L. With cashback, the lens currently still costs €2949. I bought the 100-400 II new for €1300 (with trade-in of the 70-300L). The new price was €2199. My version of the 100-400 II is sharp and the AF works great on the R8 and R6. The weight of the lens is still easy for me to handle (incl. adapter and 1.4x III). I am curious about the developments of this type of lens.
No no no!
Panamoz sell it, fully guaranteed, fully EU taxed, for approximately 2200 euros.
3 Years warranty (you can rely on), quick delivery, and Panamoz enjoy an excellent and deserved reputation.
( I'm not a Panamoz employee, just an extremely satisfied customer).
 
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It’s a personal choice. I’ve spent plenty of time using extending L-series zooms in the rain with no issues. The foam sealing ‘squeegees’ the water off the barrel as it is retracted.

When I get home from the rain, I do wipe everything down and store the lenses with the barrels extended for a day or so (where I usually keep my lenses, in a Storm case with desiccant).
Never had an issue with my beloved and still internally mostly clean EF 100-400 L II, despite using it under quitte adverse conditions (rain-unprotected in Scotland, dust and sand in Western US States, snow in Norway). But psychology rules...
PS: I sold it a few weeks ago, howl, howl...it still was clean!
 
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I prefer the internal zooming 70-200mm lens over the external zoom 70-200, however an internal zooming 100-500mm would probably be too large for me. In that case I'd prefer the external zooming one, because it's such a great balance of portability and quality.

For larger-aperture, "supertele prime-replacing" zoom lenses, I don't think size matters as much, they're going to be large regardless so internal zooming would be the way to go. The 100-300mm f/2.8 is interesting in that regard, just a bit too large/heavy/expensive for me, it wouldn't get enough use to justify the cost.
 
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The 100-300mm f/2.8 is interesting in that regard, just a bit too large/heavy/expensive for me, it wouldn't get enough use to justify the cost.
I’m probably an outlier, but I’d prefer the 100-300/2.8 as an extending zoom to save on space in the bag. Regardless, it’s a stellar lens and while I was initially disappointed Canon launched a zoom instead of an RF 300/2.8 prime I ended up really benefiting from the flexibility of the zoom. Plus it makes a great 140-420/4 zoom for outdoor use.
 
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Personally, I don't like a 30 cm long internal tele zoom over a 20 cm long retracted lens - even if that internal one would take a TC from 100 to 500 mm.

The latter (original) is much more convenient IMO.
Agreed, however my 100-500 has severe zoom creep. It's starting to creep even on "tight" now, kind of defeating the point.

I really wish Canon had put a Lock switch on the lens, but no they had to be clever. I might just send it in.
 
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It’s a personal choice. I’ve spent plenty of time using extending L-series zooms in the rain with no issues. The foam sealing ‘squeegees’ the water off the barrel as it is retracted.

When I get home from the rain, I do wipe everything down and store the lenses with the barrels extended for a day or so (where I usually keep my lenses, in a Storm case with desiccant).
Anecdotally, I’ve seen over the years several used prime (non-extending) L lenses advertised as having fungus but I don’t recall any L extending zooms. Could be many reasons for that, of course, including the primes being abused more by owners who think that their weather resistance means weather proof and the zoom owners not letting theirs get wet. But, the fact is that all lenses get ingress of dust, and WEX’s description of their used lenses invariably includes the disclaimer that there is dust that won’t affect the image.
 
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