Sony's New a7RII Camera Delivers World's First Back-Illuminated FF Sensor

[neuroanatomist]

idiots because CANON could add all that and more but because we keep buying what ever they sell us they will keep doing this. Only thing that will stop this is competition that drives Canon to step up because people will start to go to Sony or other companies.

It has better DR,ISO,VIDEO etc just because you don't use higher ISO does not mean Canon should just sell you a product like this when other Companies are making the best Camera possible...

Or...what you think is important and how you define best for yourself is different than the majority of ILC buyers.

Naah, couldn't be. We've already established that you're the expert.

Expert troll, that is. : : :

 

[neuroanatomist]

bla bla bla

That about sums up your post. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Tugela]

...Canon is just milking old tech for these idiots who keep buying it.

Yeah, all those high profile professional photographers using Canon, what a bunch of morons. The real experts like you are here on the Internet... :

They will keep on using what they have always been using. That doesn't mean what they are using is better, it just means they don't like change.

The situation is like IBM when PC's first arrived on the scene. People bought mainframes because they were "professionals" and didn't see the point of PCs. They thought it was just a fad, toys for the home. They were too conservative, did not want to embrace a new way of doing things. How many people use mainframes now days? Not that many. PCs on the other hand are everywhere. They were successful because they were flexible, accessible and affordable. They could do it all and they could do it anywhere.

That is what is going to happen in photography. Canon and Nikon are the IBMs of the imaging world, and they will go the way of IBM unless they adopt the technology of the future. It might not happen overnight, but it will happen.

 

[neuroanatomist]

...Canon is just milking old tech for these idiots who keep buying it.

Yeah, all those high profile professional photographers using Canon, what a bunch of morons. The real experts like you are here on the Internet... :

They will keep on using what they have always been using. That doesn't mean what they are using is better, it just means they don't like change.

The situation is like IBM when PC's first arrived on the scene. People bought mainframes because they were "professionals" and didn't see the point of PCs. They thought it was just a fad, toys for the home. They were too conservative, did not want to embrace a new way of doing things. How many people use mainframes now days? Not that many. PCs on the other hand are everywhere. They were successful because they were flexible, accessible and affordable. They could do it all and they could do it anywhere.

That is what is going to happen in photography. Canon and Nikon are the IBMs of the imaging world, and they will go the way of IBM unless they adopt the technology of the future. It might not happen overnight, but it will happen.

Still seeing that imaginary upward trend in mirrorless sales, are you? :

 

[tron]

I'm actually pretty shocked at how full-featured this camera is! I didn't expect in-body 4k on an "R" model.


What is there left to improve upon for the A7S II?

7 digit max ISO. ;D

20 stops DR ;D ;D ;D

 

[meywd]

When the "Canon is not innovative" chorus starts up, I sometimes trot out a list of Canon innovations and Canon products that have no competitor. But sometimes I just say: why bother?

exactly, the only time a Sony camera was tempting were when the a7R pricing was @ $199 I Thought I would buy a couple, keep one and sell the other for lenses, I was always a fan of Sony's TVs and Walkmans, also the Play Station is amazing, Final Fantasy Rocks, but when it came to smartphones and Cameras they lack, yes sure now they have a good Sensor technology, but give it some time and every camera maker will have the same.

 

[Krob78]

...Canon is just milking old tech for these idiots who keep buying it.

Yeah, all those high profile professional photographers using Canon, what a bunch of morons. The real experts like you are here on the Internet... :

They will keep on using what they have always been using. That doesn't mean what they are using is better, it just means they don't like change.

The situation is like IBM when PC's first arrived on the scene. People bought mainframes because they were "professionals" and didn't see the point of PCs. They thought it was just a fad, toys for the home. They were too conservative, did not want to embrace a new way of doing things. How many people use mainframes now days? Not that many. PCs on the other hand are everywhere. They were successful because they were flexible, accessible and affordable. They could do it all and they could do it anywhere.

That is what is going to happen in photography. Canon and Nikon are the IBMs of the imaging world, and they will go the way of IBM unless they adopt the technology of the future. It might not happen overnight, but it will happen.

Still seeing that imaginary upward trend in mirrorless sales, are you? :

I'm not sure what his point is Neuro. Didn't IBM do like $90,000,000,000 last year? Yeah, I think it was somewhere close to $90 Billion Dollars... Could be wrong but it sounds like to me, he's saying Canon & Nikon are doing pretty good... ???

 

[meywd]

...Canon is just milking old tech for these idiots who keep buying it.

Yeah, all those high profile professional photographers using Canon, what a bunch of morons. The real experts like you are here on the Internet... :

They will keep on using what they have always been using. That doesn't mean what they are using is better, it just means they don't like change.

The situation is like IBM when PC's first arrived on the scene. People bought mainframes because they were "professionals" and didn't see the point of PCs. They thought it was just a fad, toys for the home. They were too conservative, did not want to embrace a new way of doing things. How many people use mainframes now days? Not that many. PCs on the other hand are everywhere. They were successful because they were flexible, accessible and affordable. They could do it all and they could do it anywhere.

That is what is going to happen in photography. Canon and Nikon are the IBMs of the imaging world, and they will go the way of IBM unless they adopt the technology of the future. It might not happen overnight, but it will happen.

Still seeing that imaginary upward trend in mirrorless sales, are you? :

I'm not sure what his point is Neuro. Didn't IBM do like $90,000,000,000 last year? Yeah, I think it was somewhere close to $90 Billion Dollars... Could be wrong but it sounds like to me, he's saying Canon & Nikon are doing pretty good... ???

Until only few years back when Apple started making huge profit on the iPhone, IBM was the #1 technology company, and even now it still is, Apple's profit is from smartphones, which really doesn't count.

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm not sure what his point is Neuro. Didn't IBM do like $90,000,000,000 last year? Yeah, I think it was somewhere close to $90 Billion Dollars... Could be wrong but it sounds like to me, he's saying Canon & Nikon are doing pretty good... ???

Until only few years back when Apple started making huge profit on the iPhone, IBM was the #1 technology company, and even now it still is, Apple's profit is from smartphones, which really doesn't count.

The moral: never let the facts get in the way of your analogy...

 

[Krob78]

I'm not sure what his point is Neuro. Didn't IBM do like $90,000,000,000 last year? Yeah, I think it was somewhere close to $90 Billion Dollars... Could be wrong but it sounds like to me, he's saying Canon & Nikon are doing pretty good... ???

Until only few years back when Apple started making huge profit on the iPhone, IBM was the #1 technology company, and even now it still is, Apple's profit is from smartphones, which really doesn't count.

The moral: never let the facts get in the way of your analogy...

Indeed!

 

[LOALTD]

For all the "Canon is doing well"/"selling millions of cameras"/"making billions of dollars" folks:


They actually aren't even doing very well financially.


Canon stock is worth less now than it was 5 years ago.


If you invested $100, 5 years ago, in:


The stock market: you'd have $192
Sony Electronics: you'd have $105
Canon: you'd have $83


If you had invested $100, 1 year ago:
Stock market: $108
Sony: $186
Canon: $104


Sony stock is up 86% from a year ago, Canon is up 4%, and the stock market as a whole is up 8%.


Not sure why some of y'all consider Canon a financially brilliant, unshakable company. Their stock isn't even worth what it was 5 years ago, and in the past year they haven't even out-performed the market as a whole. Not anything to be proud of. I would never invest in Canon. (and yes, Nikon is even worse, I didn't include them because, unlike Canon and Sony, they are not on the NYSE, making direct comparisons more problematic)


Can we please retire this "Canon has great financials, therefor their products are infallible" logic now?

 

[jcarapet]

I am continually impressed with what sony has to offer. The market returns show that. If you continually develop bleeding edge tech innovations and push things forward, people are going to eventually notice. Excluding the Samsung game changer I am waiting to see.

This is where I wait for my Sony oriented Cousin to get the itch and take this for a test run ;D

 

[Krob78]

For all the "Canon is doing well"/"selling millions of cameras"/"making billions of dollars" folks:


They actually aren't even doing very well financially.


Canon stock is worth less now than it was 5 years ago.


If you invested $100, 5 years ago, in:


The stock market: you'd have $192
Sony Electronics: you'd have $105
Canon: you'd have $83


If you had invested $100, 1 year ago:
Stock market: $108
Sony: $186
Canon: $104


Sony stock is up 86% from a year ago, Canon is up 4%, and the stock market as a whole is up 8%.


Not sure why some of y'all consider Canon a financially brilliant, unshakable company. Their stock isn't even worth what it was 5 years ago, and in the past year they haven't even out-performed the market as a whole. Not anything to be proud of. I would never invest in Canon. (and yes, Nikon is even worse, I didn't include them because, unlike Canon and Sony, they are not on the NYSE, making direct comparisons more problematic)


Can we please retire this "Canon has great financials, therefor their products are infallible" logic now?

Not sure where you got the "financially brilliant, unshakable company" idea from... My comment was about IBM making over $90 billion dollars last year, not anything about Canon. My comment was directed at some troll that made the insidious comparison of Canon & Nikon to IBM as he lamented about how IBM has practically diminished from the Earth now and Canon & Nikon will do the same... Probably not so much...

That said, I think Sony is making great strides and look forward to seeing what they do with the A7S II...

 

[benperrin]

This is where I wait for my Sony oriented Cousin to get the itch and take this for a test run ;D

Oh that's nice to know someone like that. All my friends have canon gear which is kind of annoying because they want to borrow stuff from me and I don't want to borrow anything from them. We all need a friend with different gear I think.

 

[Aglet]

This is where I wait for my Sony oriented Cousin to get the itch and take this for a test run ;D

Oh that's nice to know someone like that. All my friends have canon gear which is kind of annoying because they want to borrow stuff from me and I don't want to borrow anything from them. We all need a friend with different gear I think.

Friends, with bayonet-fits?..

 

[Dylan777]

This is good news for FF mirrorless shooters

A7rII looks like a general to landscape body. My 2cents: A7sII could become a sport camera with faster fps and much cleaner in higher ISO.

I would love to see a7sII with:
1. same AF system as a7rII(or better)
2. 8-12fps
3. Even clearner in high ISO than current a7s
4. 20-24MP

To attract DSLR shooters, Sony/Zeiss needs to have even more native lenses, especially in ultra wide, 135mm and 200mm range. I don't mind spending more $$$ for higher quality lenses - same or better IQ than FE 55mm. I REALLY can't wait to hand on my Batis 25 and 85.

am I asking too much?

 

[Woody]

I was initially excited about the prospects of getting a high performing FF mirrorless camera from Sony, without the typical weight of a DSLR... until I read that the A7RII weighed 625 g (with battery and memory card)... throw in the weight (193 g) of the metabones adapter and the weight advantage is gone instantly... sigh...

Nevertheless, it's great to see the strides that Sony has made in sensor technology and mirrorless AF fronts. Kudos to Sony. One day, when they've got all the equivalent Canon lenses and offer them at reasonable prices, a complete switch is definitely in the cards for me.

 

[emko]

it would be like Canon releasing 2 5Ds one with higher DR,ISO,better VIDEO etc, people here would for some reason want the lower ISO,DR lower video quality and resolution. How can people be like this? such fans of a company they blindingly defend it even when the company is clearly ripping you OFF.

If Sony can do all this at cheaper price you people still defend Canons crap its unbelievable, OH 5D2 is sooo amazing it does 1080p video OMG wowow, NOW who cares we don't need video we don't need 4K video you guys act like children. Then Canon releases a damn Camera that can do 4K for 9000$ hahah come on how can you people not see CANON is ripping you guys off so bad.

I want everything that Sony sensor does better IN A CANON is that wrong? why would i want a 5Ds when it cant shoot past 6400iso? if it could do higher ISO like the A7RII i would of bought it even with the lower DR it has.

Watch the next Nikon will use this sensor and then the 5ds will be even a bigger joke.

 

[benperrin]

This is where I wait for my Sony oriented Cousin to get the itch and take this for a test run ;D

Oh that's nice to know someone like that. All my friends have canon gear which is kind of annoying because they want to borrow stuff from me and I don't want to borrow anything from them. We all need a friend with different gear I think.

Friends, with bayonet-fits?..

Haha. Great call.

 

[Woody]

Does the Sony A7RII offer touchscreen?