Sony's New a7RII Camera Delivers World's First Back-Illuminated FF Sensor

krisbell said:
And I shake my head in disbelief at the likes of neuro... still vainly clinging to the mast of a sinking ship while all others have swum to safety...

If you want to jump from a ship where there is no real evidence that the ship is sinking to the 'safety' of floating with a life vest in middle of the ice-cold North Atlantic, that's a personal choice. ;)
 
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who gives a crap about stock prices. I'm not buying a camera because a company used to, or still makes money from their legacy business. I bought a samsung galaxy S6 even when apple stock is worth more because it was just a better phone :)
 
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sanj said:
neuroanatomist said:
If only, if only...someday, the grass really will be greener. If only...

Neuro. Greetings from half way around the world. Consider this an open letter.

I am shocked by you close minded attitude towards all camera manufacturers except Canon. You are so enamored by Canon that you cannot see any good in anything else. You have pointed me towards the word 'system' and I thank you for that. And you have made me realize that no camera company is perfect.

When Sony comes out with such a ground breaking technology never seen before you cannot come up with a SINGLE positive thing about it. No praise, no admiration. How can you be so one sided in your thinking??

You take the term 'fan boy' to its heights.

Groundbreaking? There are already BSI APS-C sensors, so what is groundbreaking about it? Oh, I see...it's not just an incremental evolution like many on this forum criticize Canon for, it's groundbreaking because Sony did it. I'm far more impressed by the stacked sensors in the new Sony P&S.

Regarding the grass being greener, would you like to describe again the wonderful and pleasant experience you had when you needed Sony to service your camera?
 
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sanj said:
FunkyCamera said:
So the megapixel fight starts up again and Sony brings a 42MP camera to a 50MP camera fight! LOL typical Sony fail. Hilarious how they'll rob so many idiots of their money with their low quality sensors and beer bottle quality lenses.399 AF points? Wow amazing, but unfortunately you only actually need 1. I can't remember when I last needed to focus on hundreds of things in the same photo. High ISO? It will be a snowstorm above 3200! Dynamic range? Sure, let me know when jpg is capable of more than 8 bit! There's a reason why ever pro uses Canon - taking pictures is more important than imaginary stats that are either useless or entirely fabricated.

If you want the best photos, you need a Canon. It's not hard to understand.

You really have a sense of humor.
or canon marketing :) 36.6MP was too much or not a significant jump, until 42MP was too little or a noticeable drawback. ah fanboys.
 
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benperrin said:
RLPhoto said:
NancyP said:
Electronic first curtain shutter! Finally.
Does this mean improved sync speeds?
1/250th of a second according to dpreveiw
But it mentions it has a full electronic shutter mode for silent shooting. Does this mean it can sync at any speed? Good bye hassy if this is true.
 
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GMCPhotographics said:
And that's the point isn't it...we can have the best sensor in the world...and yet it's the glass which dictated how sharp and image, how much light and the contrast which hits that sensor.

Indeed. While it's true that Canon lenses can be adapted to Sony MILCs, that's likely not a mainstream solution.
 
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psolberg said:
neuroanatomist said:
psolberg said:
who gives a crap about stock prices.

Canon does. Sony does.

good. I'm not sony. I'm not canon. 8) I don't work for either. those of you that do, go talk about stocks somewhere that matters. I thought this was a photography board and not an investor board?

It's the internet, and an open discussion forum. If you find the content irrelevant to you, feel free to not read on it. Also feel free to not further side track the discussion by repeatedly commenting on it.

FWIW, I did not bring it up in this thread, but I did want to correct a factual inaccuracy about what was posted. Are you also opposed to truth as well?

Finally, if you can't imagine how stocks are relevant to a discussion of camera gear, consider a once-popular maker of camera gear and supplies: Kodak.

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Is it really so hard to accept that some photographers like Canon and some photographers like Sony?

Use the camera system you like to use and let other's use the camera system they like to use.

There is no need to insult or degrade photographers who may have a different opinion from your opinion.

I do not understand how some people here can get so spun up and take things so personally.

But then if we all acted mature, CR would lose a lot of its entertainment value. LoL
 
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I have no plans to buy a 5DSR now given the A7RII will have better ISO performance and dynamic range. I am usually shooting at 400 iso and higher. Never at 100 iso. I wanted someone with higher MP for larger prints.

I also wanted a 4k video full frame camera with good AF. I was looking at the A7S, but I hated it did not AF quickly. I also did not like it did not offer 4k internal. I don't want to spend $2k on a recorder. I also do not have time to pull focus on a fast moving subjects.

This is two cameras in one for me. It could be a good video and stills camera.

I also did not want to buy new glass. People are also saying the AF performance with the metabones adapter actually works well with Canon lenses.

If Sony made a full frame spots camera to compete against the 1DX and 5D3 higher fps, I would think Canon would be worried. I still might need to buy the 5D4 given the fps I need for sports.
 
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That Neuro fanatic is right in one thing, numbers will tell the true story, we are entering the stage two of Sony success story...

Just think about incredible success of A7s in the relatively small niche it occupies and add all the appeal it has to the 42 mp incredibly well designed and crafted machine like A7r.
Trust me another niche (much larger in this case) of photographers are getting ready to pick the best tool there is for the job as we speak, without any primitive childish complexes or prejudices, and individuals like Neuro will be the last to influence they decisions.

Just go for it folks and enjoy the ride! LOL
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Canon's average dividend yield over the last 5 years was 4.1%, Sony's was 1.5% and last year for the first time ever Sony canceled their dividend payment. Given that, your numbers apply only in the case where dividends are not reinvested.

LOL!!! ha, ha I love how you state that Canon's pathetic stock price growth marginally outperforms Sony's pathetic stock price growth like it is a major point won! So therefore Canon's sensor must be better?! Sorry to be mean but I honestly cannot see how the fantastic specs (again, on paper) of Sony's latest effort can be anything other than praised. Absolutely I still wouldnt dream of ditching my Canon setup for long-range wildlife photography but for landscape work there is absolutely no comparison.
 
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AcutancePhotography said:
Is it really so hard to accept that some photographers like Canon and some photographers like Sony?

Use the camera system you like to use and let other's use the camera system they like to use.

There is no need to insult or degrade photographers who may have a different opinion from your opinion.

I do not understand how some people here can get so spun up and take things so personally.

But then if we all acted mature, CR would lose a lot of its entertainment value. LoL

It's the same with Apple vs Samsung bullshit, each has strong points and each has weakness, though Apple has better marketing and customer support, while Samsung products are more feature full and cost less, it's really funny how you can replace Canon with Apple and Sony with Samsung and still have the same arguments. Though on the long run Samsung reputation is suffering.
 
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krisbell said:
neuroanatomist said:
Canon's average dividend yield over the last 5 years was 4.1%, Sony's was 1.5% and last year for the first time ever Sony canceled their dividend payment. Given that, your numbers apply only in the case where dividends are not reinvested.

LOL!!! ha, ha I love how you state that Canon's pathetic stock price growth marginally outperforms Sony's pathetic stock price growth like it is a major point won! So therefore Canon's sensor must be better?! Sorry to be mean but I honestly cannot see how the fantastic specs (again, on paper) of Sony's latest effort can be anything other than praised. Absolutely I still wouldnt dream of ditching my Canon setup for long-range wildlife photography but for landscape work there is absolutely no comparison.

LOL at your complete misinterpretation of my point. Good job.
 
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Hillsilly said:
Marsu42 said:
Ugh? Could you link that? I thought upscaling the 7d2 tech would end up just with the 5ds res?
It's in "Part 2 The Undeniable FACTS of Digital Photography's Future". If you want to fast forward, its at 8m40s. Oh...NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNMzy5XV-EQ

Is there any evidence available for anything this guy is saying? He's also claiming that the D810 and D750 use the exact same sensor. I've got to say, I think he's completely full of it.
 
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raptor3x said:
Hillsilly said:
Marsu42 said:
Ugh? Could you link that? I thought upscaling the 7d2 tech would end up just with the 5ds res?
It's in "Part 2 The Undeniable FACTS of Digital Photography's Future". If you want to fast forward, its at 8m40s. Oh...NSFW.
Is there any evidence available for anything this guy is saying? He's also claiming that the D810 and D750 use the exact same sensor. I've got to say, I think he's completely full of S___.

He's probably the same one saying that we only use 10% of our brain :-p ... w/o further evidence from anywhere, I'd categorize this as Internet bs, but these things are bound to attract attention and links.

It's true the sensor res is always larger than the output size b/c of the black border for calibration (Magic Lantern makes use of this fact, that's why dual_iso files have more mp than plain cr2 files) - but hardly 60mp->50mp...
 
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