The Canon EOS R5 Mark II – We have now seen it

[Canon Rumors]

The Canon EOS R5 Mark II is now in the hands of people outside of the closed testing circle of Canon.

We have now seen some images of the camera, but cannot post them in any way shape or form. This is standard practice for us, but I'm sure other sites will be posting images in the near future. Or we will get permission to do so.

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[edoorn]

if it can shoot an electronic shutter at 14 bit (even if it's just single shot, 1 frame per second) I'd be a very happy event photographer!

 

[andreashauser.io]

Can you say if there are any indications of internal ND filters?

 

[JonasGillmann]

So will the R5 Mark II have Built-In GPS like you previously reported if "All of the previously reported core specifications are pretty much correct."?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1785956274229698967

That'd be amazing! Also, I'm curious if 8K60p is in the cards AND if the "built in ND filter in an R5 series camera" patent will be implemented in the R5 Mark II

 

[SwissFrank]

Can you say if there are any indications of internal ND filters?

About 4 years ago this site had a patent for a sensor that would be able to do 1) global shutter (no rolling shutter artifact), 2) single-exposure HDR (about double the dynamic range), and 3) electronic ND. I think that sensor will revolutionize shooting for a lot of people.

It basically had two charge buckets per sensor pixel and could switch the entire sensor between them instantly. So to get the equivalent of 10 stops ND, you just use bucket 1 for 999ns, then bucket 2 for 1ns, and so on. Bucket 2 has your dark image. To get HDR, you use both images: you could expose a room at night and easily make out the maker's logo on the lightbulbs. Or shoot an interior during the day and have both the room and the outside view perfectly exposed. For global shutter you get the photo in bucket 1, then switch to bucket 2, and read out bucket 1 which is no longer getting new photons.

 

[fox40phil]

I want hardly sound record for slow mo! And a digital ND filter...or the possibility to use one infront of the sensor by my self.
Even the Sony A6700 has is for 120fps "_".... can't belive this.

 

[koenkooi]

Can I hope for dragonfly AF? Or at least better tracking of features that are under an AF point? It's frustrating to have the eyes of a damselfly under the selected AF point, but when you initiate tracking, it will keep jumping to the thorax. The eyes are a high contrast feature distinct from the background, so mu assumption was that this would be 'easy' for the AF. And sometimes it will detect the eyes as eyes and lock onto them!

 

[koenkooi]

I want hardly sound record for slow mo! And a digital ND filter...or the possibility to use one infront of the sensor by my self.
Even the Sony A6700 has is for 120fps "_".... can't belive this.

The no-sound-in-slomo still feels strange to me. I know that it will sound distorted in slowmo mode, but sometimes I want to use that footage at normal speeds (e.g. my kids riding their bikes) and having sound would make that possible. (This is totally not due to me forgetting to turn off slowmo mode)

 

[fox40phil]

@koenkooi excatly the same setting for me! With my son ... its really really sad to don't have sound there.

 

[john1970]

This sounds like an interesting camera and a serious revision of the R5 and R5C into a single use camera, which makes a lot of sense. I am not sure I required an active cooling grip so I how canon also makes a normal grip (that is less costly). We shall see.

 

[Gendra]

Eye control AF from the EOS R3

So the old version and not the updated version II rumored for the R1?

Also is it now certain, that the smart nipple is not included in the R5II?

Actually I don't get it why Canon would leave out a well liked and cheap smart controller but then include a much more complicated and expensive eye control AF sensor, where everyone I heard testing it said that it is a very interesting and fancy feature, but either it does't work will their eyes or, even if it works very well, they stopped using it in the real world because it was more distracting then helpfull.

 

[koenkooi]

So the old version and not the updated version II rumored for the R1?

Also is it now certain, that the smart nipple is not included in the R5II?

Actually I don't get it why Canon would leave out a well liked and cheap smart controller but then include a much more complicated and expensive eye control AF sensor, where everyone I heard testing it said that it is a very interesting and fancy feature, but either it does't work will their eyes or, even if it works very well, they stopped using it in the real world because it was more distracting then helpfull.

My guess would be segmentation, like the AF-point-linked-spot-metering feature that only 1-series get. I have used the smart controller and liked it, I'll reserve judgement on the eye-control AF till I've tried it. It might work very well for me when using the EVF, but will be useless when using the flip-out screen for low angles.

 

[john1970]

So the old version and not the updated version II rumored for the R1?

Also is it now certain, that the smart nipple is not included in the R5II?

Actually I don't get it why Canon would leave out a well liked and cheap smart controller but then include a much more complicated and expensive eye control AF sensor, where everyone I heard testing it said that it is a very interesting and fancy feature, but either it does't work will their eyes or, even if it works very well, they stopped using it in the real world because it was more distracting then helpfull.

Good point. I would think it would have to be a revised version from what was initially released on the R3. I own the R3 and found the eye control AF quite useless because with my eye glasses it never worked unless I used the Canon eyecup which was too cumbersome and huge to use.

 

[cpreston]

It is disconcerting to hear that there is unlikely to be an R5C. The thing that makes the R5C useful to me is not necessarily the cooling, although that is required, but the cinema OS. I doubt Canon would release a general purpose camera like the R5II with the cinema OS, so I am guessing the R5C line is about to go the way of the 1DC line and be a one off.
Bring on the full frame RF mount cinema camera!

 

[Marphoto]

No confirmation regarding the sensor? Stacked? Pre-capture? These are infinitely more important than eye control AF.

 

[Marphoto]

It is disconcerting to hear that there is unlikely to be an R5C. The thing that makes the R5C useful to me is not necessarily the cooling, although that is required, but the cinema OS. I doubt Canon would release a general purpose camera like the R5II with the cinema OS, so I am guessing the R5C line is about to go the way of the 1DC line and be a one off.
Bring on the full frame RF mount cinema camera!

I think that remains uncertain, especially given that Canon has registered five new cameras. Alternatively, they could always employ the Sony model and sell videographers the OS?

 

[Marphoto]

"There will also be “AI” features geared towards sports and wildlife photographers. We would like more articulate wording on how these features work, as to not report things that may not be explained correctly."

Interesting thought though the better effort would have been to implement real-time zebras, RAW pre-capture, etc. than nebulous AI features. Sure, they could have updated the AF to the R3 like abilities though the AF in the existing R5 was so good, that I would have rather they had given us these other things. Who knows, maybe they will?

 

[john1970]

"There will also be “AI” features geared towards sports and wildlife photographers. We would like more articulate wording on how these features work, as to not report things that may not be explained correctly."

Interesting thought though the better effort would have been to implement real-time zebras, RAW pre-capture, etc. than nebulous AI features. Sure, they could have updated the AF to the R3 like abilities though the AF in the existing R5 was so good, that I would have rather they had given us these other things. Who knows, maybe they will?

Real time zebras in stills would be a huge plus for the R5 mk2 and R1 cameras.

 

[FaolainWolf]

I appreciate that there are video users who will love all the updates. But for stills-only shooters, they only add cost, weight, and complexity. For both video shooters AND stills shooters, it would have been nice to have two separate, more purpose-focused cameras.

Lack of the smart controller is a disappointment.

Is the sensor stacked? What's the readout speed?

Every photographer is different. I appreciate the addition of the eye control AF, but I haven't read anything else that makes this a better camera than the R5 for me. Time and further revelations will tell.

 

[Gendra]

My guess would be segmentation, like the AF-point-linked-spot-metering feature that only 1-series get.

That may be the case, unfortunatly. Although since Canon apperently plans to split their high-end segment into a low-res high-speed camera (R1) and leave the high-res low(er)-speed segment to the R5II, I would find it very odd, if the would dig out the cripple hammer so quickly. Moreover, even then it would make more sense, so use the Eye Control AF as a separator since it is the more compex feature.

No confirmation regarding the sensor? Stacked? Pre-capture?

I would assume, that this falls under the "All of the previously reported core specifications are pretty much correct."
Regarding pre-capture I would be surprised if they would not include it since many of the new "smaller" camera models have it. However, (sadly) I would also be surprised if canon did indeed improve the implementation.