The Canon EOS R5 Mark II will continue with CFexpress Type B/SD UHS-II card slots

[David - Sydney]

If you don't shoot video, I doubt you would see a big practical difference between v90 and v60.

The SD card slows down the buffer clearance time v CFe B cards. The fastest v90 cards are approximating 290MB/s.
Still way under current CFe B (version 3) speeds of ~1500MB/s.
Shooting cRaw or mixed raw/jpg will help of course.

 

[David - Sydney]

This sounds like a R5 mark 1 to me. What’s the improvement here besides EVF and maybe better AF which at this point I don’t know what better AF people want

The R5ii will be an evolution vs revolutionary update. The sum of the differences will make a substantial difference though.

It sounds like it will combine the R5 with R5c with no thermal issues (8k60 etc). That would meet the video requirements and match the Z9 max rate. It would be expected to have the full cinema menu in this case... but with IBIS for the hand held users (rather than assuming gimbal/tripod)
Cheaper for the video folks than the R5c as well.

For stills shooters:
Adds the R3 eye controlled AF as a point of difference to Sony/Nikon. Not because they have to match a spec sheet but why not use their spare parts bin. Works well for some people.
Stacked sensor will reduce rolling shutter for stills and video and hopefully will have a decent flash sync rate for e-shutter.
Faster fps indicating faster bus speed is also nice. Let's hope that it is the full 14 bit depth though for both mech (H+) and eshutter.

 

[mpmark]

You are kidding me, aren't you?! Get finally rid of those SD Cards, please!

Yet another disappointment from Canon, while others seem to have little to none heat dissipation problems.

Really? So which half body cameras are using duel cfe type b card slots? I'm curious.

 

[chik0240]

If it's that pricing I am wondering should I just go for the R3 instead, the street price here is essentially $3999, plus I won't need to get a grip

 

[chik0240]

The R5ii will be an evolution vs revolutionary update. The sum of the differences will make a substantial difference though.

It sounds like it will combine the R5 with R5c with no thermal issues (8k60 etc). That would meet the video requirements and match the Z9 max rate. It would be expected to have the full cinema menu in this case... but with IBIS for the hand held users (rather than assuming gimbal/tripod)
Cheaper for the video folks than the R5c as well.

For stills shooters:
Adds the R3 eye controlled AF as a point of difference to Sony/Nikon. Not because they have to match a spec sheet but why not use their spare parts bin. Works well for some people.
Stacked sensor will reduce rolling shutter for stills and video and hopefully will have a decent flash sync rate for e-shutter.
Faster fps indicating faster bus speed is also nice. Let's hope that it is the full 14 bit depth though for both mech (H+) and eshutter.

But that essentially is a gripless and less well built R3 with more MP and very likely slightly worse high ISO. if so seems like the R3 is still a better buy at same cost

 

[Quack]

You are kidding me, aren't you?! Get finally rid of those SD Cards, please!

Yet another disappointment from Canon, while others seem to have little to none heat dissipation problems.

Sure they do. Z8 has lots of overheating issues. So does the Sony A1. Canon knows what they are doing.

 

[EricN]

But that essentially is a gripless and less well built R3 with more MP and very likely slightly worse high ISO. if so seems like the R3 is still a better buy at same cost

I don't think it's possible to know untl the R5ii is released. Even then, there will probably be advantages either way depending on what you want to use it for.

 

[Tirmite]

You are kidding me, aren't you?! Get finally rid of those SD Cards, please!

Yet another disappointment from Canon, while others seem to have little to none heat dissipation problems.

The sky is falling!!!! Or MAYBE having two DIFFERENT slots and card types makes a LOT of sense.
1) laptops and computers have SD readers built in. At least Macs do. Not sure why anyone who's a photographer would use a Windows machine but that's their choice.
2) heat and space issues in the camera body.
3) price: SD's are less expensive
4) speed: I buy the fast SD's and they read and write very fast. And when archiving to SSD drives versus hard drives it's even faster. If someone really needs more speed, guess what.... the second slot is an Express. Duh.
5) If you need an external card reader, the SD readers are small and inexpensive so they take up less room in your bag. The Apple SD dongle is tiny.
6) have you ever had to give your client the shots on the spot? Oops, they don't have a card reader or computer with a slot. I'd much rather hand over a less expensive SD card and not worry if I get it back or not. Try that with a $200 Express card.
7) ever been in a foreign country where a police or other law enforcement officer demands you hand over your memory card? I have. Again, I'd rather give them an inexpensive SD and then I still have everything written to the Express card and they probably don't realize the camera has two cards.
*If you haven't experienced any of the above or even considered these possibilities you probably aren't a professional photographer or haven't had much experience.
Canon and it's engineers aren't idiots. They also know their customers and what PRO's want in a camera. That's why the R5 and the R3 have both kinds of slots. We pros want that feature. You're entitled to your own opinions, but just because there are other, better ideas out there doesn't mean Canon made a mistake.

 

[Tirmite]

I'd like to apologise to the EOS-1D X Mark III for my oversight.

The Canon 1Dx isn't that sensitive or easily offended. It's a professional.

 

[SpecInspector]

I'm genuinely curious why people want dual CFExpress slots? I always throw a 512GB CF in there for RAW and record JPEG backups to a 256 SD card on all of my cameras. I've never ran out of storage on the 512. What is the realistic benefit of dual CFExpress slots for stills shooters?

I went away from JPGs entirely to get the fastest buffer refresh several cameras ago. But am not sure how much penalty there is on current bodies when writing a RAW to CF slot and a JPG to SD card. The only realistic benefit I'd gain from dual CFExpress slots would be a file writing strategy that alternated between cards. All the odd numbered RAW files would end up on card in slot one, evens on card in slot two. That would provide quasi 50% backup without a slowdown. Alternating cards could speed up buffer flush, but only if camera is capable of writing to both cards at same time (unlikely??).

The current CFExpress + SD slots have saved me while on vacation with laptop, but forgotten CFExpress reader. At end of day I'd use internal camera transfer to move the files from CFExpress to SD card then on to laptop.

I use CFExpress exclusively, but always keep an SD card in camera. Keeps me from leaving house without any card. Is somewhat annoying that camera software can't remember card preference if CFExpress card is removed and reinserted while there is a SDcard in the camera. My solution is to pull the battery before pulling the card.

 

[chik0240]

I don't think it's possible to know untl the R5ii is released. Even then, there will probably be advantages either way depending on what you want to use it for.

I bet the heat dissipation will be better and maybe the EVF is better, but then a pro body vs a high end body is kind of no brainer if one will want a battery grip anyway

 

[sanj]

I am happy with this. SD cards turn out to be very useful, many times.

 

[sanj]

The sky is falling!!!! Or MAYBE having two DIFFERENT slots and card types makes a LOT of sense.
1) laptops and computers have SD readers built in. At least Macs do. Not sure why anyone who's a photographer would use a Windows machine but that's their choice.
2) heat and space issues in the camera body.
3) price: SD's are less expensive
4) speed: I buy the fast SD's and they read and write very fast. And when archiving to SSD drives versus hard drives it's even faster. If someone really needs more speed, guess what.... the second slot is an Express. Duh.
5) If you need an external card reader, the SD readers are small and inexpensive so they take up less room in your bag. The Apple SD dongle is tiny.
6) have you ever had to give your client the shots on the spot? Oops, they don't have a card reader or computer with a slot. I'd much rather hand over a less expensive SD card and not worry if I get it back or not. Try that with a $200 Express card.
7) ever been in a foreign country where a police or other law enforcement officer demands you hand over your memory card? I have. Again, I'd rather give them an inexpensive SD and then I still have everything written to the Express card and they probably don't realize the camera has two cards.
*If you haven't experienced any of the above or even considered these possibilities you probably aren't a professional photographer or haven't had much experience.
Canon and it's engineers aren't idiots. They also know their customers and what PRO's want in a camera. That's why the R5 and the R3 have both kinds of slots. We pros want that feature. You're entitled to your own opinions, but just because there are other, better ideas out there doesn't mean Canon made a mistake.

Well said.

 

[David - Sydney]

But that essentially is a gripless and less well built R3 with more MP and very likely slightly worse high ISO. if so seems like the R3 is still a better buy at same cost

The obvious difference is the sensor resolution. If you are happy with 24mp then it sounds great.
I personally wouldn't consider the R3 over my R5 though.... Ikelite don't make a housing for the R3 and the other options are crazy priced (eg Nauticam @ USD9400)

We can't comment about dynamic range/noise performance until it is released but few have complained about the FSI sensor in the R5. It would be hard to imagine that the R5ii's sensor has less performance than the current one.

If the R1 is 24mp then the R3 may just stay as is in the market as a between R6ii and R1 option for action.

I can also see the R5 staying in the line up finally replacing the original R model which finally seems to have dropped off the official list of bodies.
The R was released at USD2300 and currently the R5 is USD3k on special.

 

[Dragon]

This sounds like a R5 mark 1 to me. What’s the improvement here besides EVF and maybe better AF which at this point I don’t know what better AF people want

Full width scaled 4k/60 would be a nice improvement and very likely if the sensor is faster.

 

[EvilTed]

I'm genuinely curious why people want dual CFExpress slots? I always throw a 512GB CF in there for RAW and record JPEG backups to a 256 SD card on all of my cameras. I've never ran out of storage on the 512. What is the realistic benefit of dual CFExpress slots for stills shooters?

Because the buffer is limited by the slowest card speed.
I really don't understand why Canon used mixed card slots in the R3, which is a sports camera.
If you are shooting the claimed 30 FPS electronic shutter with the R5 II, then if it has the same shite buffer as the R5 that's a BIG problem.
The R3 clears its buffer much faster than the R5 (I have both).

 

[DhlcadR6]

At least it's better than dual CF A.... Unlike a certain brand starts with $on....

RAW/cRAW in CF B, jpeg/heif in SD V30~V90

 

[AUGS]

The sky is falling!!!! Or MAYBE having two DIFFERENT slots and card types makes a LOT of sense.
1) laptops and computers have SD readers built in. At least Macs do. Not sure why anyone who's a photographer would use a Windows machine but that's their choice.
2) heat and space issues in the camera body.
3) price: SD's are less expensive
4) speed: I buy the fast SD's and they read and write very fast. And when archiving to SSD drives versus hard drives it's even faster. If someone really needs more speed, guess what.... the second slot is an Express. Duh.
5) If you need an external card reader, the SD readers are small and inexpensive so they take up less room in your bag. The Apple SD dongle is tiny.
6) have you ever had to give your client the shots on the spot? Oops, they don't have a card reader or computer with a slot. I'd much rather hand over a less expensive SD card and not worry if I get it back or not. Try that with a $200 Express card.
7) ever been in a foreign country where a police or other law enforcement officer demands you hand over your memory card? I have. Again, I'd rather give them an inexpensive SD and then I still have everything written to the Express card and they probably don't realize the camera has two cards.
*If you haven't experienced any of the above or even considered these possibilities you probably aren't a professional photographer or haven't had much experience.
Canon and it's engineers aren't idiots. They also know their customers and what PRO's want in a camera. That's why the R5 and the R3 have both kinds of slots. We pros want that feature. You're entitled to your own opinions, but just because there are other, better ideas out there doesn't mean Canon made a mistake.

One more to add to the list.
8) Availability: Easily and readily available anywhere (and mostly any time).
My CF card reader failed while I was overseas. I walked into a phone store, picked up a few high capacity cheap and fast (see Point 3&4) SD card and could keep shooting because I could still use Point 1. My backup SD cards will now serve me on my R5m2 when I switch over (at least in the short term).

 

[sanj]

One more to add to the list.
8) Availability: Easily and readily available anywhere (and mostly any time).
My CF card reader failed while I was overseas. I walked into a phone store, picked up a few high capacity cheap and fast (see Point 3&4) SD card and could keep shooting because I could still use Point 1. My backup SD cards will now serve me on my R5m2 when I switch over (at least in the short term).

Others have been through the same.

 

[EricN]

I bet the heat dissipation will be better and maybe the EVF is better, but then a pro body vs a high end body is kind of no brainer if one will want a battery grip anyway

Weight may also be different, along with, as you mentioned before, megapixel vs noise.