Three new segments of EOS R cameras coming in 2025

[Quack]

I rather think Canon should start using the Internet in a more agressive yet not Sonylike way.
Addressing young future customers more actively.
But not by paying self-declared experts, influencers or trolls to generate cripple-hammer theories or doom stupidities against competition.
This is what I find despicable about Sony. Nikon, Fujifilm and Panasonic don't act like this!

The manner in which Sony operates is one reason I will never buy a Sony camera. Alas, as we see not just in cameras, propaganda and questionable marketing ethics work all too well. It is the major factor, in my opinion, as to how Sony became the 2nd leading camera brand. Unfortunately, it is becoming quite clear, that far fewer people are concerned with ethics than ever before. So Canon (and the other brands) may need to follow Sony's example to stay competitive in the next decade. Time will tell.

 

[SvO2]

The manner in which Sony operates is one reason I will never buy a Sony camera. Alas, as we see not just in cameras, propaganda and questionable marketing ethics work all too well. It is the major factor, in my opinion, as to how Sony became the 2nd leading camera brand. Unfortunately, it is becoming quite clear, that far fewer people are concerned with ethics than ever before. So Canon (and the other brands) may need to follow Sony's example to stay competitive in the next decade. Time will tell.

Can you give specific examples of how Canon's business practices demonstrate more ethical behavior than Sony's?

 

[rombe3jr]

Sony did flood the influencer market. Canon could do it in a more tasteful way, perhaps just sponsoring great creators on individual videos. This would give them a chance to try out a new camera system as well. They need to try something to get younger people buying in!

I rather think Canon should start using the Internet in a more agressive yet not Sonylike way.
Addressing young future customers more actively.
But not by paying self-declared experts, influencers or trolls to generate cripple-hammer theories or doom stupidities against competition.
This is what I find despicable about Sony. Nikon, Fujifilm and Panasonic don't

 

[John Wilde]

Canon props up their market share numbers by reporting DSLR and mirrorless numbers together.

Sony props up their market share claims by never reporting camera unit sales in their financial documents. In contrast, both Canon and Nikon report camera unit sales in their financial documents.

And as DSLR sales have gone down, Canon's camera market share has remained about the same.

 

[Anon]

The manner in which Sony operates is one reason I will never buy a Sony camera. Alas, as we see not just in cameras, propaganda and questionable marketing ethics work all too well. It is the major factor, in my opinion, as to how Sony became the 2nd leading camera brand. Unfortunately, it is becoming quite clear, that far fewer people are concerned with ethics than ever before. So Canon (and the other brands) may need to follow Sony's example to stay competitive in the next decade. Time will tell.

Ah yes, holy Canon, the shining beacon in business.

Surley someone like them would not back a think tank that pushes climate change denial politics.

Also see how low they score on the supply chain transparency index, addressing the threat of forced labor.

Or that time they forced DRM on the users via printer cartridges, but failed to source the necessary chips, so they sold unusable cartridges.

Let's not kid ourselves, publicly traded companies have exactly one thing in mind and it's not the customer. Of course this is also true for all of Canon's competitors.

 

[neuroanatomist]

And as DSLR sales have gone down, Canon's camera market share has remained about the same.

This is really the key point. DSLR sales went from 80% of the ILC market (in 2012, the first year CIPA separated MILCs and DSLRs) to <20% of the ILC market in 2023...and Canon's market share stayed stable at just under 50%. I have no idea how people can look at those data and still make the asinine claims they do, but it's clear that people like @mimbu and @CJaurelius don't mind making themselves look foolish.

 

[David - Sydney]

Maybe it depends if you've ever owned an FTB, EF, AE-1P, F1, F1n... (like myself). I'd buy a retro F1/F1n in a heartbeat, mainly for nostalgia sake.

But not for the ergonomics... I have difficulties understanding why buyers don't value the ergonomics but retro does sell reasonably well or at least above expectations if the Zf backorders are indicative.

 

[David - Sydney]

I would have no problem with Canon making the R7 ii larger than the R7. It would be much easier to grip.
The last thing I want with a long lens is a tiny body!

lots of Sony users seem to be happy doing just that!

 

[David - Sydney]

Canon props up their market share numbers by reporting DSLR and mirrorless numbers together.

Sony does as well

 

[David - Sydney]

I do not wish for more than 50 mpx. But others do, and they may get it...

I do not understand why \'as a wildlife photographer\' anyone wishes for APSC. For me, the only reason to get APSC would be size and weight.

"working distance" is another reason for APS-C sensors eg for handheld macro of nervous critters.
"reach"/pixel density for more "pixels on duck" and lens cost eg 70-200 => 100-280 rather than 100-300 for full frame

 

[David - Sydney]

Sony did flood the influencer market. Canon could do it in a more tasteful way, perhaps just sponsoring great creators on individual videos. This would give them a chance to try out a new camera system as well. They need to try something to get younger people buying in!

Canon has certainly reduced their marketing costs.
Sponsorships, agreements with agencies, "influencers"/you tubers but more importantly for me, the user groups for inexpensive local workshops with ability to try lenses/bodies etc.
Sony has/is spending a lot more to gain market share but it hasn't really cracked it vs Canon but more at Nikon's loss (unfortunately).

Sony's camera/lens division may be selling okay but not really profitable. We won't know until Sony decides to offload it as they have much bigger product groups to worry about.

Clearly they are leveraging their sensor group where the phone sensors are very important but it only takes a couple of new models not to use Sony to impact that groups volumes a lot eg iPhones have been using Sony exclusively for a decade but if the rumours are correct, 2026 will move to Samsung for at least some models.

 

[David - Sydney]

would 100mp be good for astro photography? I'm building a setup this coming year and trying to decide on a camera...

Depending on what you are looking for (deep astro or astrolandscape) would mean different equipment.

As others have pointed out, best to use dedicated cooled astro sensors with telescopes for deep sky. Colour or B/W sensor and narrowband filters

For wide angle then a tracker will give the best sky images irrespective of the body/lens given the longer acquisition times and lower ISO. Stitched and/or stacked for full milky way bow and low noise. I use a Star Adventurer 2i. If budget allows then a Polaris can automate the shots but a steep learning curve. Recommend Dan Zaphra's course to learn how to use it.

If stacking a single image (not a pano) then more megapixels can be good. Lens coma performance in the corners is more important here unless you crop in the final image.
For stitching a 7 panel milky way bow panorama, there will be plenty of pixels in the final image even at 24mp. Low noise sensor/bodies are good with R8 full frame or better bodies giving good results. I am happy with my R5. Lens options include Samyang EF14/2.8 (or f2.4), Sigma EF20mm/1.4. Longer lenses are also possible but will need more shots/stitching. 14mm can give a good single row of shots including foreground and background milky way. 15-20second exposures @f2.8 are generally acceptable with 3200 or higher ISO.

Wide angle/fast aperture lens are better. Canon does not have great options in this case. The RF15-35mm/2.8 is their best native option.

Also consider the option to astro-mod the sensor to remove the low pass filter if you really want to get into wide angle shooting eg from Kolari. Allows the Ha nebula to be seen. Its only money

 

[koenkooi]

Can you give specific examples of how Canon's business practices demonstrate more ethical behavior than Sony's?

Remember when Sony added a rootkit to their audio CDs that would take over your computer?

 

[HMC11]

Remember when Sony added a rootkit to their audio CDs that would take over your computer?

And here is a writeup of the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

 

[Richard CN]

"working distance" is another reason for APS-C sensors eg for handheld macro of nervous critters.
"reach"/pixel density for more "pixels on duck" and lens cost eg 70-200 => 100-280 rather than 100-300 for full frame

I'm going to start calling them quack pixels.

but yes, I use pixels on target for aps-c benefits over full frame.

it can make a considerable amount of difference for those on tight budgets.

 

[Richard CN]

But not for the ergonomics... I have difficulties understanding why buyers don't value the ergonomics but retro does sell reasonably well or at least above expectations if the Zf backorders are indicative.

Fuji was all about the 'slowing down' and enjoying the art of photography.

My professional friend that had a full fuji kit would spend half his time staring at dials, i didn't see the enjoyment there but to each their own.

While I like the romantic view of a retro camera body, most of the time I think i'd slap it on Av and call life good.

 

[Anon]

Remember when Sony added a rootkit to their audio CDs that would take over your computer?

Sony is also notorious for using proprietary adapters, formats, memory sticks etc. to the point of hurting their own sales. Famous example is their second generation handheld PS Vita. It used a memory stick specific to the Vita which was so expensive that it basically killed the console upon launch.

 

[David - Sydney]

I'm going to start calling them quack pixels..

Not to be confused with quarks which are a smaller

 

[SvO2]

Sony is also notorious for using proprietary adapters, formats, memory sticks etc. to the point of hurting their own sales. Famous example is their second generation handheld PS Vita. It used a memory stick specific to the Vita which was so expensive that it basically killed the console upon launch.

Remember when Sony added a rootkit to their audio CDs that would take over your computer?

Neither of those have anything to do with Sony’s ILC business

 

[I_Miss_Minolta]

Huh? See 5Ds. It was contemporary with and essentially the same size and weight as the 7DII, and in crop mode delivered the same 'reach'. But keep on living the APS-C dream!

Huh x infinity.

The R7's sensor in full-frame equivalent is 84 MP!