Why You Should Stick with Your Canon DSLR and Forget Sony FF Mirrorless

[neuroanatomist]

Clearly Canon are marketing their products primarily at a sub population, specifically males who have pretensions of grandeur. In the old days there was a running joke that SLRs were "male jewelry", and it is that aspect that has driven the evolution of both Canon and Nikons form factors.

Why clearly? Got any evidence to back THAT up either?

Clearly not. Tugela previously swore up and down that any camera with Digic 7 would shoot 4K video. Then when the G7XII came out with Digic 7 and without 4K, he started babbling about how he was still right because Digic 7 and Digic DV5 are the same base design but there are thermal issues on the G7XII...still with no evidence other than 'becuase I say so.'

Same old BS, different day.

So we now know that Tugela has tiny hands...I just hope he's not an insecure billionaire.

 

[msm]

Apparently every camera manufacturer other than Canon and Nikon disagree with you. None of them are supersizing their cameras like those two.

How are all those other camera manufacturers doing at competing with Canon and Nikon? Who sells more ILCs? Can you not grasp the fact that dSLRs are far more popular than MILCs, even in Asia? Apparently not. : Like some others on this forum, you seem to think you know better than major manufacturers how to make and sell cameras.

Well, it is a pretty safe bet that most DSLRs sold are of the small rebel type though.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Apparently every camera manufacturer other than Canon and Nikon disagree with you. None of them are supersizing their cameras like those two.

How are all those other camera manufacturers doing at competing with Canon and Nikon? Who sells more ILCs? Can you not grasp the fact that dSLRs are far more popular than MILCs, even in Asia? Apparently not. : Like some others on this forum, you seem to think you know better than major manufacturers how to make and sell cameras.

Well, it is a pretty safe bet that most DSLRs sold are of the small rebel type though.

And most MILCs sold are of the very small m4/3 type. Did you have a point?

 

[nvsravank]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

Not everything is for a "consumer". Some are for professionals as well. While in one sense of the word each of these professionals are a "consumer", in some important ways they differ.

From a marketing perspective, when prospective customers see you with a 1D camera series for example, prospective customers stop asking what camera you have and start giving more importance to the photography. Where you want their heads/thinking to be.

When you are a professional where split second decisions have to be implemented, having muscle memory helps. Changing cameras affects it. Why take that risk every year?

Are the updates really revolutionary? From a spec perspective maybe, but for most professionals, it takes time to get used to a tool and to get the most out of it. Then an improvement can be easier to incorporate into your workflow. You know the limitations in your craft. Changing your devices every year does not allow you to practice enough to get really good at using your tools. Ask any high performing athlete in any sport and they spend enormous amounts of time learning. Same is the case with photography as well. (Though not as high paying).

Then there is the question of value of your investment. It falls too quickly in a consumer world, where as in the professional world that is not a very good thing. You don't get tax benefits if the value falls too quickly as there are limits on what can be booked for tax relief purposes and in most cases it is atleast 4 years.

Canon does a 4 year cycle. It falls pretty well with most professional looking for product cycles.

I understand it does not fit well with most gear heads here in this forum, but sorry "we" are a minority.

Note. I stayed with 5D until the 5D mark III came, but now going to 1dx mark II. All were pre ordered.

I am happy with the cadence.

 

[msm]

Apparently every camera manufacturer other than Canon and Nikon disagree with you. None of them are supersizing their cameras like those two.

How are all those other camera manufacturers doing at competing with Canon and Nikon? Who sells more ILCs? Can you not grasp the fact that dSLRs are far more popular than MILCs, even in Asia? Apparently not. : Like some others on this forum, you seem to think you know better than major manufacturers how to make and sell cameras.

Well, it is a pretty safe bet that most DSLRs sold are of the small rebel type though.

And most MILCs sold are of the very small m4/3 type. Did you have a point?

Did you have a point you were trying to make or do you just have to parrot market share blahblah at every possible occasion?

 

[3kramd5]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

 

[AvTvM]

Did you have a point you were trying to make or do you just have to parrot market share blahblah at every possible occasion?

Neuro's Canon fanboy logic is of the simple, deductive type:
1) Millions of people buy Canon mirrorslappers -> Canon Mirrorslappers are great.
2) Millions of flies eat sh*t -> sh*t is great food.
;D

 

[neuroanatomist]

Apparently every camera manufacturer other than Canon and Nikon disagree with you. None of them are supersizing their cameras like those two.

How are all those other camera manufacturers doing at competing with Canon and Nikon? Who sells more ILCs? Can you not grasp the fact that dSLRs are far more popular than MILCs, even in Asia? Apparently not. : Like some others on this forum, you seem to think you know better than major manufacturers how to make and sell cameras.

Well, it is a pretty safe bet that most DSLRs sold are of the small rebel type though.

And most MILCs sold are of the very small m4/3 type. Did you have a point?

Did you have a point you were trying to make or do you just have to parrot market share blahblah at every possible occasion?

Of course there was a point, sorry you failed to grasp it.

 

[AvTvM]

Of course there was a point, sorry you failed to grasp it.

The usual Canon Defense League blather ... was the point.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Of course there was a point, sorry you failed to grasp it.

The usual Canon Defense League blather ... was the point.

Oh, so you share Tugela's belief that Canon and Nikon develop and market their dSLRs primarily as an affectation for large men? That mirror must be slapping you pretty hard. :

 

[Larsskv]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

I´ve noticed that with the Sony A7 releases, far superior tech seems to be released in the next model, only a few months after the latter. Sony has to know this when releasing a model, and I know I would be upset if I bought a new A7 camera, that suddenly seems like a piece of junk 3 months later.

There is something in between 6 months and 5 years. Personally I think 3-4 years is ok, if the upgrade is significant.

 

[msm]

Apparently every camera manufacturer other than Canon and Nikon disagree with you. None of them are supersizing their cameras like those two.

How are all those other camera manufacturers doing at competing with Canon and Nikon? Who sells more ILCs? Can you not grasp the fact that dSLRs are far more popular than MILCs, even in Asia? Apparently not. : Like some others on this forum, you seem to think you know better than major manufacturers how to make and sell cameras.

Well, it is a pretty safe bet that most DSLRs sold are of the small rebel type though.

And most MILCs sold are of the very small m4/3 type. Did you have a point?

Did you have a point you were trying to make or do you just have to parrot market share blahblah at every possible occasion?

Of course there was a point, sorry you failed to grasp it.

Oh yeah something along the lines of your usual sound logic like the grass is green because Canon is the market leader in unit sales?

 

[msm]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

I´ve noticed that with the Sony A7 releases, far superior tech seems to be released in the next model, only a few months after the latter. Sony has to know this when releasing a model, and I know I would be upset if I bought a new A7 camera, that suddenly seems like a piece of junk 3 months later.

There is something in between 6 months and 5 years. Personally I think 3-4 years is ok, if the upgrade is significant.

Yeah I know, your camera immediately stops working whenever a new version is out on the market. :

 

[Larsskv]

...
Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

I´ve noticed that with the Sony A7 releases, far superior tech seems to be released in the next model, only a few months after the latter. Sony has to know this when releasing a model, and I know I would be upset if I bought a new A7 camera, that suddenly seems like a piece of junk 3 months later.

There is something in between 6 months and 5 years. Personally I think 3-4 years is ok, if the upgrade is significant.

Yeah I know, your camera immediately stops working whenever a new version is out on the market. :

With a Sony, I wouldnt expect it working much longer than the warranty period.

And I just love it when a 2000+ dollar investment halves it's value every 12 months or so.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Oh yeah something along the lines of your usual sound logic like the grass is green because Canon is the market leader in unit sales?

Honestly, do you agree with Tugela's statements?

Clearly Canon are marketing their products primarily at a sub population, specifically males who have pretensions of grandeur....

This is why MILCs do well. The simple reason being that they are a more sensible size for most hands.

Apparently it's your usual sound logic that sales of millions of Canon and Nikon dSLRs per year is consistent with them being 'marketed primarily to males who have pretensions of grandeur', that MILC unit sales that haven't yet regained their 2012 levels constitutes 'doing well', and that the primary reason people buy MILCs is that they're a better fit for small hands.

Or do you not see the connection between Tugela's asinine claims and the fact that they are refuted (among other ways) by ILC sales figures? If that's the case, my condolences for your poorly developed sense of logic.

 

[benperrin]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

Agreed, I think the only downside is it probably affects re-sale value. And it's not as if introducing a new model makes your current camera any less capable. You have the option to upgrade if you like or wait a few years. The upsides seem better than the downsides.

 

[scyrene]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

I agree. It's always struck me as odd when people complain about the introduction rate of cameras when new tech is actually included.

Agreed, I think the only downside is it probably affects re-sale value. And it's not as if introducing a new model makes your current camera any less capable. You have the option to upgrade if you like or wait a few years. The upsides seem better than the downsides.

Doesn't that cut both ways, though? A company *not* releasing a new camera every year or whatever doesn't affect you if you already own one of their cameras?

 

[Ozarker]

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Sony´s business model seems to be releasing new cameras instead of fixing the many issues already released models has. The many A7-series releases indicates that. Having people buy new cameras every 12-18 months seems to be their strategy. Quality and repair service are not.

If there is new technology available to build a newer and better camera every 12 to 18 months then why shouldn't consumers benefit from that?

Why do consumers need to wait 5 years for a "newer and better" camera if the technology is available in much less time?

Not everything is for a "consumer". Some are for professionals as well. While in one sense of the word each of these professionals are a "consumer", in some important ways they differ.

From a marketing perspective, when prospective customers see you with a 1D camera series for example, prospective customers stop asking what camera you have and start giving more importance to the photography. Where you want their heads/thinking to be.

When you are a professional where split second decisions have to be implemented, having muscle memory helps. Changing cameras affects it. Why take that risk every year?

Are the updates really revolutionary? From a spec perspective maybe, but for most professionals, it takes time to get used to a tool and to get the most out of it. Then an improvement can be easier to incorporate into your workflow. You know the limitations in your craft. Changing your devices every year does not allow you to practice enough to get really good at using your tools. Ask any high performing athlete in any sport and they spend enormous amounts of time learning. Same is the case with photography as well. (Though not as high paying).

Then there is the question of value of your investment. It falls too quickly in a consumer world, where as in the professional world that is not a very good thing. You don't get tax benefits if the value falls too quickly as there are limits on what can be booked for tax relief purposes and in most cases it is atleast 4 years.

Canon does a 4 year cycle. It falls pretty well with most professional looking for product cycles.

I understand it does not fit well with most gear heads here in this forum, but sorry "we" are a minority.

Note. I stayed with 5D until the 5D mark III came, but now going to 1dx mark II. All were pre ordered.

I am happy with the cadence.

Professionals are consumers in every sense of the word just like everyone else, not in just one sense. In fact, many of them are hyperconsumers.

Most clients have no idea what the "pro" is shooting with or why. They just want nice finished product.

Any consumer that wants to and has the means can buy a 1DX mark II. A battery grip on a lesser camera will fool most, IF they even notice or understand. I had one on a T5i.

Unlike Presidents, playmates and preachers... Pro-photographers are not such mythical creatures.

 

[d]

Sator's article has made it onto PetaPixel:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/sonys-full-frame-pro-mirrorless-fatal-mistake/

d.

 

[jrda2]

Before jumping on the bandwagon.....

Interesting perspective on FF mirrorless:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/sonys-full-frame-pro-mirrorless-fatal-mistake/